Visor, where's your head at on our good colonel?
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Visor, where's your head at on our good colonel?
That's a good point about Sunbae and possibly about Amy. I might be stretching it here, but even keeping Sunbae in discussion might be enough sometimes. Like it's easy to just call strong town players towns and don't care about them, but it also narrows discussion. If you can bring them up from time to time, it makes it easier to fake solve. Also, Sunbae at that point was far from universally townread, so it wasn't like a super, against the thread take, imho.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm
seems okay so farQuote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
dude is a pretty good wolf so nothing clearing but seems ok
Tbh, my Visor read isn't exactly locked. I don't think I would vote him today unless he returns and posts wolfy. It's just that I have more reasons to sr him now than to tr him now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm
To dive into meta a little, I'm rarely paranoid about Visor and I usually balls to the wall townread him, when I feel like he might be town. Here, I don't get it. I might be forcing it a little into a scumread, because I find that more interesting than keeping him in nulls.
this changes things, i guess. I need to take some time to consider how.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
1)Is Colonel Bop? I wonder why his reads are so different from mine. I really just wonder, because I find myself agreeing with most of my other townreads. Is it a different approach to processing people? I would like to see into that to learn something new, but I don't think it's really important alignment-wise.
2)Cuth was difficult to read at first, but I think his approach is too careless to be wolf. Ok, wolves can be careless, but he's also decent and questioning other people and evaluating the gamestate.
3)If I compare Visor's and Amy's returns, the former is flashier and it immediately made me wanna sheep Visor. BUT after thinking about it for a while I'm not that sure if he's that townier than Amy and I need to reread his posts. Tbh, I'm willing to blindly follow town Visor and his strong reads. The one good thing is that he managed to purge my pre-flip w/w association.
I haven't reread Visor yet, but I have a thought. Why would scum Visor lock himself in a fight with Amy here? I think it would make him a likely d2 kill or at least put him under serious pressure later on (if Amy gets yeeted and flips town). Visor probably is capable of risking that, but there are subtler ways to do it than to return in thread guns blazing. I'm just getting a vibe that scum Visor would be a sneakier creature.
More thoughts before diving into Visor. I think that Colonel's read are actually off. Dolby dropped few meta bombs and disappeared (might be irl circumstances), but I think that relying on previous games too heavily is more indicative of scum and he shouldn't be anyone's top town. Csargo is difficult to read, but he's a lovely fella and I think that putting him in wolves is a cheap move. Balls to the wall, Csargo's more likely town here and that read is too strong for too little. I also think that town Visor is capable of making a laser precise read on Csargo by d2.
Monty is scum but he always gets killed earlier or later. He's not the best possible elimination today. Dya probably scum, but there's a big question mark of her being tired for real. In that case yeeting someone else might be more informative as there are more than three other solid candidates for wolves. I believe Amy/Visor contains one (very likely Amy), Eph/Dolbster probably includes a wolf and there are several other players, who are far from locked.
I'm getting tired and my english is getting more broken. I'm sorry for that.
tbh, there are still posts from Visor, which make me wee uncertain (mostly his sod friendly chatting with Csargo and GH), but I like his take on Dolby, his vote on Dya and the way he approached Amy. All that combined I'm willing to call him town and follow his lead.
Unvote: Montomercy
Vote: Ampharos
Visor, what are your specific thoughts on Amy? I'm aware that you think she's mafia but would like a bit of a foundation as to why you got to 98% confidence.
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Dunkin' Donuts: Part 1Quote:
Originally Posted by Ampharos
the first post is performative, making a show of things (and worth contrasting to the later post re sunbae). it also is just tonally off for the position of the thread, its making a grand statement where at that point a lot of people already villa read those slots. plus i think it is in amys wolf tone wheelhouse
sunbae post: two problemos, one is the meta narrative behind pulling away village reads on sunbae, and the other is the word choice, wack. first part: obv sunbae is a good player, but most of us are good players and make good tonal posts, while sunbae could probably make the posts he made as either alignment, in the end that doesnt matter and you have to start somewhere. i don't think the paranoia around sunbae slot makes sense for how you treat the hally/eph slots. the bigger issue imo is the word choice wack, firstly it shades the ppl who make those reads implicitly through dark forces. second thing is that its the wrong word choice, the words you expect to see here are: weird, strange, wild, etc. wack is a stylistic choice that wolves make to appear with it.
townreading me: amy struggled to townread me most of the inviational game until the gh/newc section (which is fine), but she also expressed she has had trouble reading me in the past. it seems strange to me, to place such an early townread on me, when historically you say you have had trouble reading me, when i haven't done a huge amoutn of solving thus far in the game, and i am well known for making offtopic/joke posts as either alignment (as a person in general). ppl who know me might lean one way or another, but it feels weird for me to be a village read when i haven't kicked on to anything yet
there's no paranoia over my posts here, but we should be paranoid over sunbae for posting things that sound fine? sunbae could be a wolf and i am wrong here, but it should be fine to villaread sunbae for stuff, we are gonna examine him later if he survives anyway.
thx for attending my ted talk, see you bronanas tomorrow.
the crux of the post for me is the tonal structure of sentences/word choices really pings me
ymmv
and nice cross post gh
yeppers
i read that string of posts when i was catching up this morning and was debating in my head about whether or not to talk about them
and then i saw visor had the same impression and was like sick i don't have to use my words
but i agree wholeheartedly
i don't think that teasing away strong early reads is Wolfy, i don't think that hally and eph are bad reads to have, i don't think criticizing people calling out gh for tryharding is Wrong
i do think they are weird things to do, and the last one is particularly soapbox-y
but it all feels like she's going through the motions and i really don't like the reaction to visor
Seems good enough to me. :stupido:
i agree they are not wrong and perfectly valid thoughts, just the way things are expressedQuote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
but ye basically
"wolf watching a villager kill another villager"Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
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@Hally getting back to your question from earlier in the day, I no longer believe that Visor and Amy could be paired.
i have no defense other than "i was in a shit headspace last night for oog reasons and am not surprised that i was off tonally"
am confident that my body of work will vindicate me eventually
incorrect i am the odd night trackerQuote:
Originally Posted by Ampharos
vote: GeneralHankerchief
for the record, though, this is exactly the sort of read i townread visor off of last nightQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
i was fully aware that my mood was probably gonna be reflected in my play and was unsurprised to immediately receive suspicion upon posting, but the snapvote itself didn't really move the needle for me; it was the post in reply to my sunbae thing, something along the lines of "this is a wolf telling villagers to stop correctly reading a villager" that felt super authentic and like he was actually making a read off my posts
just feels like the sort of read that comes from villagers much more often
+ i don't think i'm an easy misdunk target and continue to suspect that wolves would generally prefer to pocket me d1 rather than bury me, absent outside influence
i also didn't think my opener was so far affected that someone with tmi would pick up on it and feel confident wolfreading it, i suppose, but i'm unsure if i stand by that given the current wagon on me lol
why're you having issues with that @dyacheiQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
disagree. So far it feels to me much more like actual things he's picking up rather than opening the game with a case, based on how his focus is more fluid and suchQuote:
Originally Posted by Hally
I disagree they're very :stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephemeral
Dolby has had straight up weird takes multiple times"
I lightly dislike him for that reason so eh
wantQuote:
Originally Posted by Maple
feels kinda early for this, and usually when I have this many early town reads I get kinda paranoidQuote:
Originally Posted by Hally
Idr if Hally is the same but hopefully I see at least some of that later
@Sunbae
you around?
wanna talk dya?
Who is thread spewed
interested in more about pzelda, myself, gh hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius