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Legio has contacted me by email to say he is looking to set the interactive on another forum - address below
http://z8.invisionfree.com/17thcentu...ex.php?act=idx
Perhaps we could discuss there what to do. Personally I would like to keep it here, but understand that Legio is really annoyed about what happened to him, to the extent that I am not sure if he would want to return, even if he could.
I'd rather stay here.
Legio has his member status again. It is up to him whether he continues or not.
Yep. I'd rather stay here also.
I agree with Franc and Swordmaster,while those two seem to be cooperating all the time.:laugh4: I hope we can put the happened matter behind us and continue this great game gentlemen.:bow:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha:
I agree with Franc and Swordmaster,while those two seem to be cooperating all the time.:laugh4: I hope we can put the happened matter behind us and continue this great game gentlemen.:bow:
Hey, hey! We'll see if you are still laughing when we rule the world!
I echo Franc.
Hi everybody! It appears that the warning that gives 2 days ban means 3 days ban... I've put up a new board as you've heard, and will decide soon whether to use it or stay here. First however, I'll want to discuss the matter in the watchtower thread and get an explanation (it is currently closed, so I'll have to wait past the weekend). Apart from having made research on the subject which resulted in the ban and warning, I'd like to discuss (in the watchtower thread about me) that I don't feel the warning can be traced to any forum rule, and the fact that my post was immediately considered (without asking any question), as completely serious and an honest opinion held by me, rather than what could have been a joke, or - which happened to be the case - a thought-provoking addition to an otherwise quite predictable debate. My post was an attempt to present the rhetorical question: why is the cliché abortion debate always about pro or against abortion up to the 12th week (or whatever date some almighty God or judge/lawyer has decided it to be)? In a bigger perspective, and also in many religions and cultures which have survived to this date, the practise of infanticide is considered perfectly normal. As the research post that I will post also indicates, in ancient societies it was pretty much considered NOT natural to disapprove of abortion - an idea which might seem as strange to modern man as the fact that in the ancient period men who wore pants were considered sissies while those who wore skirts were considered "real men". What I'm disappointed with in the moderating are these things:
1. the fact that the warning came completely unpredictably, and came as a total surprise to me, even though I've read all the forum rules
2. that my post contained a thought-provoking addition to the debate, rather than the stating of an opinion
3. that the post was immediately considered to be my own complete and full opinion, and that many things which I didn't say were "deduced" from the post without having been explicitly said by me. My technique of discussion is to mention all things I can remember, then hopefully someone will, rather than accusing me of being a murderer, ask questions about "if you say A, do you really approve of B?", so I'm given a chance to answer.
4. the fact that the accusation of "promoting murder" is an insult both to me, and to those modern cultures and religions which do approve of the practise. Calling them murderous is quite hypocritical if based upon Christian or Islamic ideals, considering that Christianity and Islam (and non-religious/secular society forms derived from the religious ideals of these religions), unlike these small remaining minority religions and cultures, were spread by the sword and the threat of death to those who didn't convert
As for my own personal opinion on infanticide, I don't think infanticide is needed in modern society, and it would also make many people uneasy to carry it out, so it has no real purpose. But I wish to ask the question of why it is taboo in western society, and how mankind so suddenly came to believe that a view which goes contrary to most ancient cultures and several cultures still existing to this date would be "murderous". This quite restricted - a discriminating view on several minority religions and cultures, strikes me as founded in little else than primitive emotions and is, like the pro or against abortion arguments, a question of taste.
If the Guild maintains the view that cultures who see infanticide below a reasonable age, say a few weeks, a month, or maybe up to the extreme of 3 months, are murderous cultures and calling it "promotion of murder" when I add an, in my opinion thought-provoking and quite constructive contribution to the discussion, I'll have to reevaluate whether I want to continue discussing in this forum. At the very least, it means I'd stop discussing in the backroom. This would technically mean I'm capable of continuing to post in the Chapter house, but the insulting accusations of "promoting murder" together with the warning points are, unless the moderators realize that their judgement is solely based on a misunderstanding of my post and putting words into my mouth, enough for me to as a matter of principle leave. Most sensible people, including me, agree that you can't have any requirements on what view the forum maintains, and that you can choose between accepting their views, or leaving. As I have explained, I'm inclined to choosing the second option in case it turns out that this misunderstanding remains. A fool would stay, and continue being surprised by receiving in their opinion unpredictable warnings, and as a result only get disgruntled and feel unjustly treated, something I, not being a masochist, would like to avoid.
Once the watchtower backroom is opened again and I've discussed the matter there I'll inform you of whether the 17th century interactive will continue here, or in the other forum.
Legio, relax!
This is not the place to do this discussion. If you have problems with the rules in the backroom, it may be wise to leave it. Sometimes it is not worth to find out who's right and who's wrong, sometimes it is. You have to decide that.:inquisitive:
However, I cannot see how this effects posting here in Kraxis' realm. Do you have any trouble with him?
The post above should be completely empty of anything that could be considered against the rules. It was an explanation to you guys. The real post, including research, will be posted in the watchtower thread. I felt it was necessary to also here explain that the accusations of "promoting murder" were completely unfounded. I wouldn't want to hold this game to a bunch who would believe I was someone who was "promoting murder".
Thank you for this explination, but is it doing much here?
I agree, legio, just let it go. I gues you know not to do any thought provoking anymore.
It obviously gets taken very seriously.
@Bopa: yep :2thumbsup:
@all: just so you know, my PM box is open now, so send your PMs again! If there are some I haven't answered (that were sent to me before the PM box was locked), tell me.
Great!Now we can spam your pm box full again!:2thumbsup: Excpect multiple questions from the Republic soon.~:cheers:
Statement from the Court of King James to the Protestant meeting in Denmark
King James welcomes the progress made in making Europe a place where all christian worship is tolerated. When the irreligious bigotry of the HRE emperor is overcome, Europe will be a better place, especially as the emperor uses the cloak of religion to hide his naked ambition and lust for land. Religion has no part in matters of state.
Which brings us to the matter of the Pope's prononcement on Africa and the New World. What right has the Pope to make such prounoncements on the matters of other soverign states - we do not tell him how to pray, so he should leave such matters to the rulers of Europe.
The Court of King James calls upon the Pope to rescind his staement or face the consequences.
Signed this day
King James the First of England and Sixth of Scotland.
Toleration.
You, who's nation has so readily puged itself of true Christians cannot speak of toleration. Religion, this is the foundation of Christian Europe! Just because you have so little backbone as to not simply declare war on the grounds of a true Machiavellian prince. Does not justify this spinless preening behind such an alien thing as Religious teleration.
I am at war with Brandenbourg not because of its protestant faith, but because of its rebellious nature. Denmark shall soon feel the brunt of Imperial savagery never again to claim any Baltic amitions, the Poles shall take great pleasure in destroying her, as shall we. Yet we do not wish any territorial expansion, we shall merley break our enemies then leave them.
Until we see the steel of English troops you seem a yapping nagg at the heels of our mount.
Imperial Government of Germany.
Has the Kaiser gone mad? Do you really think that you have any hope against combined forces of France,England,Sweden,Denmark,Netherlands and Brandenburg?
I think that we need a new and not so zealous Kaiser.
The embassador of Netherlands
Can I play as a nation? Anyone not replying or want to drop out? Pretty please with a cherry on top?
Can I take up Brandenburg again? I've finally got things in order. If not that's fine Legio.
Originally Posted by Csar:
I'm afraid Brandenburg has already got another player, so it's not possible... There's a queue at the moment:
Can I take up Brandenburg again? I've finally got things in order. If not that's fine Legio.
- Warluster
- Csar
Joining is only allowed if some existing player drops out
Hey, Legio, just a heads up, there were a few questions in my last PM that I would like to see answered before I make further decisions.
Cheers
PS. Glad to see your conflict resolve itself
Statement from the Court of the Most Serene Republic of Venice to King Philip III of Spain.
We are greatly displeased with your interference in Italian affairs. Go home and continue your senseless slaughter of Protestants. We warn you not to interfere anymore with our affairs.
Marcantonio Memmo, Doge of Venice.
Originally Posted by Ignoramus:
Statement from the Court of the Most Serene Republic of Venice to King Philip III of Spain.
We are greatly displeased with your interference in Italian affairs. Go home and continue your senseless slaughter of Protestants. We warn you not to interfere anymore with our affairs.
Marcantonio Memmo, Doge of Venice.
Response of the spanish embassador:
Oh, of course the Doge must have a much deeper understanding of spanish affairs than His Catholic Majesty, and of course he must know that His Catholic majesty may choose to ignore the threats of the Most Serene Republic. Since when are venetian affairs the same as the affairs of Genoa or other italian princes?
Marie of Medici, when she joined the spanish court that accepted her with open arms, asked the king, as a personal favour, to interfere and defend the claims her family has in Italy, as a gentleman, His Majesty could not refuse.
His Catholic Majesty has instructed me to inform You that he has no intention of striking into Venice unless he is provoked, and also that if the latter happens, he has the means necessary for doing so.
His Majesty has also instructed me to say that the nature of this discussion might be better contemplated in private (by PM) and will await your messenger.
Originally Posted by King Kurt:
Will King James be so foolish as to attack the Holy Father? He must know that all christian nations will unite to defend him.
Statement from the Court of King James to the Protestant meeting in Denmark
King James welcomes the progress made in making Europe a place where all christian worship is tolerated. When the irreligious bigotry of the HRE emperor is overcome, Europe will be a better place, especially as the emperor uses the cloak of religion to hide his naked ambition and lust for land. Religion has no part in matters of state.
Which brings us to the matter of the Pope's prononcement on Africa and the New World. What right has the Pope to make such prounoncements on the matters of other soverign states - we do not tell him how to pray, so he should leave such matters to the rulers of Europe.
The Court of King James calls upon the Pope to rescind his staement or face the consequences.
Signed this day
King James the First of England and Sixth of Scotland.
May I also remind King James that He has no authority to tell the Holy Father how to pray, but that the Hly Father is also a sovereign in His land, and can therefore recognise boundaries as deemed necessary.
Spain will recognise the bull, but will allow those not content to abandon spanish land and return home.
The French Intendand for Colonies and Foreign Trade, Cardinal Richelieu, wants to inform:
Slaves can boost your economy and make the lives of the noble and rich men more pleasant. Who would not want to be served by strong black men and beautiful ebony maidens? The French colonies can deliver to every European country as well as into the colonies.
Please contact the next agent. Code: ebony.
The French Intendand for Colonies and Foreign Trade, Cardinal Richelieu, wants to inform:
The French authorities will not accept the illegal export of slaves from Africa. Autorities have the order to intercept every illegal slave ship. :skull: :smash:
To the French Monarchy
What does France mean by the illegal export of slaves from Africa? Are you talking about smugglers that dont pay their taxes?
The Republics embassador in France
Originally Posted by Kagemusha:
Yes, criminals. All those who try to hunt, buy or steal slaves from the French prtectorates without the permission of the court.
To the French Monarchy
What does France mean by the illegal export of slaves from Africa? Are you talking about smugglers that dont pay their taxes?
The Republics embassador in France
Those criminals disturb the order and affect the Christianing of the heathens.
Originally Posted by Kagemusha:
Sir, I believe you have forgotten the forces of the Ottoman Empire. Holy Roman Emperor, you cannot win, and to preserve the Roman branch of the Hapsburgs, you must stand down, or you will truly fall. Such a coalition among Europe has never been seen before and truly is something to be feared.
Has the Kaiser gone mad? Do you really think that you have any hope against combined forces of France,England,Sweden,Denmark,Netherlands and Brandenburg?
I think that we need a new and not so zealous Kaiser.
The embassador of Netherlands
Holy Roman Emperor, you may hide behind your mask of Bravado and pride but I see right through it. In the interest of your people, let alone yourself, ask for forgiveness and you shall recieve it. We are all Christian and we will forgive you.
The Imperial Government.
You are no longer any of our concern Rebel.
The Turk is busy expanding his dominion into Hungary, where yet more Christians die, due to the incompotence of the denegrates who rule France.
What is there to fear from BrandenBourg? We have Broken them. Denmark is but living on borrowed time. France is like an overfed pig, to large to miss the piercing lunge of our Lance.
What of the English? They are the most powerful nation in the Protestant Coalition, at least in my mind.
These nations may not frighten you alone, but they are a force to be reckoned with together. Even your stubborn mind must agree on that. I will put it into words you can explain: Gunpowder is not that threatening unless it has a flame to ignite it. A neigboring country may not pose a threat, but along with his brothers in arms he is. A sword must be forged of many materials, and still then it needs a hand to plunge itself into an Emperor's heart.
(Out of Character) Bopa, you "are" a great Holy Roman Emperor! Have you ever acted before?
Vasily, I must warn you of not believing the Emperor's boasts about not fearing anyone, his Empire is tearing itself apart, both Brandeburg, though I must admit he may have won there, and Bohemia have revolted. His empire is nothing but a loose coalition of states and their leaders would stab each other in the back at the first time the oppurtinity arises. The reason for all this tough talk on his part is because he fears us and unison against some external threat is the only way he can unite some of his people to his cause.