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I think all of them were already decided...
Well, the problem is: will we play Victoria Beckham, Emma Bunton, Melanie Brown, Melanie Chisholm or Geri Halliwell? It wouldn't be historically accurate to play the Spice Girls united at this time, ya know.
With victoria you'd get a plastic reform...
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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf
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Originally Posted by DeathFinger
What the hell? You decide to put an easter egg faction? that was a waste of 1 faction slot!!! :furious3: that slot will be better used as "free people" factions or such! representing underpowered faction that should't be eleutheroi!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
Pretty sure they're joking :p
But yes having previews or little sneak peeks instead of reading about spice girls, would be better XD
But they were the next preview. ~:(
The team must understand us:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
We are suffering withdrawal symptoms from June, on top of that the hot sun is giving a bad time to everyone, at least give us the spice girls' gaesatae :D
lol. I think the next faction preview is going to answer ALOT of questions. Take your time boys, EBII is like Whisky, the longer it's left the better it seems to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjos
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Originally Posted by Sonic
Surely you're not being serious...
Well, how the hell else are we supposed to get Transformers, Mega Man, and Brock Samson in the mod? Look, if you can't provide real solutions to the limitations of hard coding, then you're just going to have to check yourself before you wreck yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
I did not need to read that, thank you very much...:jester:Quote:
Originally Posted by abou
I do believe this needs to be one of the loading screen quotes for EB2.Quote:
Originally Posted by abou
What? You don't have little phalangites on your underpants? Shame on you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibrahim
no, wait, what? why would you think that? do you go into my closet every once in a while? in which case, I'll have to reconsider living in a dorm...Quote:
Originally Posted by athanaric
:clown: :clown: :jester:
but seriously, no, I don't have any.
Interesting idea for the Europa Barbarorum Swag thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by athanaric
I would wear it. Sounds sexy. You should have two opposing phalanxes clashing at the crotch area.
Ewww.
Make sure the sarissae are very long though.
Back to topic!:laugh4:
Been playing a Carthaginian campaign lately, I have to say I am really looking forward to the Numidian faction in EBII.
I'm secure enough that I don't need phalangites to emphasize the size of my crown jewels-thank you miss. :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin
@ Brennus: I am too. I gotta fight some berbers as an Arabian outside of IJ. :wall:
I needs more previews, its been a long time! I'm hoping for some Belgae tribe, maybe the Nervii or Bellovaci
I"d love to see a full list of new factions... IMO it is time to see them all.
I've read some rumors about Kartli ( Caucasian Iberia) as an almost confirmed faction for EB2. I wonder whether it's true or not...
I think if a single Belgic tribe is going to be confirmed it is likely to be the Atrebates or Suessiones, from the historical record we hear that both expanded into Britain.Quote:
Originally Posted by M to the A
imo it's time for a preview of a new faction, the last ones were all of EB1 factions^^Quote:
I"d love to see a full list of new factions... IMO it is time to see them all.
IMO no number or requests is gonna make the EBII team release another preview ahead of their schedule. Remember, Rome wasn't built in a day.
I really doubt it. Did they expand or wage war in any significant way during the time period? If Wikipedia is to be believed, the most they accomplished was to conquer Egrisi. Of course, that is more than can be said of many factions in EB who didn't get any larger than their starting territories. They did manage to retain varying degrees of indpenedence throughout the whole time period, which is also a plus.Quote:
Originally Posted by zurab
I worry most about their strategic situation in the game. Two single-province factions, both of whom MUST inevitably go to war with the monstrous Gray Death, starting side by side. You know they're going to slug it out for years and years before either of them turn their sights beyond the Caucasus. And by the time there is only one left standing, if the Seleucids haven't already gobbled the other up, they'll still have to face the most powerful empire in the known world to get anywhere. I guess it seems to me like a situation that could only be fun if one of the two Caucasian factions is controlled by the player. Otherwise it will be like the Arveni and Aedui in Gaul: neither side makes any progress for decades, until finally the player or some other faction intervenes and wipes one off the map.
Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps the AI in M2TW is such that small, neighboring factions are less likely to engage in "trench warfare". Perhaps small factions can live side by side in harmony, focusing on the bigger problems that they both face. Maybe I'm just looking at it all wrong. But I can't help but be skeptical and fear that having both Armenia and Kartli as factions in EB2 will simply cripple both of them.
Aedui and Arverni start as enemies in EB, and their weakening each other in incessant wars is pretty much how it was; the only problem really comes with who ends up crushing them in EB. Either the Lusotanan or the Sweboz in unencumbered overdrive. Hopefully a Celtiberian faction will put the brakes on the Lusotanan, and a second 'Germanic' faction likewise for Sweboz....and then the Romani can smash the Gauls instead :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by B_Ray
Kartli might be a good idea, if for no other reason than that they would tend to stop the hayasdan from simply expanding Northward - and a more reasonable starting diplomatic stance might stop them from kicking ten bales out of each other...
I've asked this (about the diplomatic stance of Kartli) before and the response of Foot was:
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Originally Posted by Foot
Among the most recent previews were several Boii previews. Best I can remember, they were not in EB1...
FYI, there are 3 almost-but-not-quite-ready previews coming down the pipe.
Atrebates fleed to Britain due to Caesar no? So that's not really the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brennus
I've just mentioned that it would be time for a new preview, thus that I expect the EB team is going to release one shortly. who am I to demand a preview, I'm not new to the modding scene ;) . concerning "new" factions, It's been long since a faction has been officially announced.
I would like to see the trans-Alpine Gauls represented as three separate factions: Allobroges, Celts, and Belgae.
I would like the Illyrians properly represented.
I would like to the see the Numidians and Massylians presented after Carthage's fall.
I would like to see the "Scythians."
I would like to see the Saba eliminated as a faction.
I would like to see the Indians introduced.
I would like to see the other "Successors:" Bythnia and Pergamon.
I would like to see the Thracians.
So Foot's answers seems like more "YES to Kartli" than " NO"Quote:
Originally Posted by Horatius Flaccus
:idea2:
Well err... thanks for sharing what you would like, I guess...
Well now that I have shared, what do you about my thoughts?
Well we're not going to tell you our secret factions, just because you shared your opinion...
*Opens oven, takes out freshly baked pie*Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
How about now?...
Why do you antagonize me Moros? I didn't ask for anything besides your opinion on my own...
Blast! Okay, but in pm only. And you don't tell anyone! ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by stratigos vasilios
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69
"Celts" and "Belgae" were not one people. And why are the Allobroges not Celts according to you?
How?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69
"The Illyrians" can't be a faction, since they historically weren't a single faction. A single tribe would only be possible when the engine would allow for a much more detailed Illyrian region (more provinces, for example).
The Illyrian regions will have an Illyrian feel to them and will give access to Illyrian units. I don't think the M2TW engine can offer more.
How?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69
Script? Is it possible within the limits of the engine?
Which?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69
They have their units. And perhaps the team have something new for that region too. We don't know all factions yet.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69
Because they are a faction at the edge of the map and don't conquer the world?
Or because they don't interest you personally?
Or do you have a valid argument here?
How?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69
A faction is impossible (culture, only 3 provinces on the map,...).
The character of the regions and the units are Indian. How to improve this?
4 new factions announced; 2 of them Hellenistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69
Which? How? See Illyrians, Scythians and Indians.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69
I don't believe so, there were two populations of Atrebates either side of the channel prior to the Gallic Wars. Two things suggest this, firstly we are informed by the historical sources that Commois fled Gaul to Britain in order to join his own people, considering that Commios had been waging a succesful Guerilla campaign by recruiting his own people in Gaul that suggests that Atrebatic peoples were present on either side of the channel. Secondly the archaeology of southern Britain does not suggest that there was a large scale migration of new peoples in the small timescale of the Gallic wars, thus there must have either been only a few (very very influential) individuals or the Atrebates must have been arriving in Britain for a long time before the Gallic wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
You might be right, I'm no specialist in this part of history. Just seemed to remember something else. I don't have time to look into this, so I'll just thrust your judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brennus
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Originally Posted by Moros
Regarding the Atrebates, assuming they were present on both sides of the English Channel at EB's start date, would it be reasonable to represent both groups as a single faction? That is, were they under the same leadership?
I don't think any of us think they were already on both sides of the channel at the game's start. Possibly they weren't even in the region the Romans called Belgica yet.
Thats just bizzare, why did you seperate the Allobroges from the rest of the Gauls? Why do you think having the Belgae lumped into one group is acceptable considering we know of numerous individual independent tribes? Seriously, Celts?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69
So do we, it just seems you have a different veiw on how to do that.Quote:
I would like the Illyrians properly represented.
Do you mean as a emergent faction? That wouldn't make any sense, the Massylians coexisted with Carthage, they didn't just spring to life at the end of the Punic wars. Also the Massylii were numidians (or at least a part of them) so why would you then want a seperate "Numidian" faction?Quote:
I would like to the see the Numidians and Massylians presented after Carthage's fall.
If you mean as a faction then it won't happen. They were very weak and with the Bosporan Kingdom and the Sauromatae already factions they wouldn't be bringing anything new that could merit their inclusion.Quote:
I would like to see the "Scythians."
Well your entitled to your opinion but we respectfully dissagree.Quote:
I would like to see the Saba eliminated as a faction.
The fact that the Mauryans territory was mostly off the map means they won't be included.Quote:
I would like to see the Indians introduced.
Well Pergamon is already in so you can at least be happy on that front.Quote:
I would like to see the other "Successors:" Bythnia and Pergamon.
You already do, the Getai are Thracian.Quote:
I would like to see the Thracians.
I think if we did include a faction named celts, it would be rather overpowered and would consume Rome within a few decades. Then it would carry on to absorb everything it is path until it meets the Indians. I guess they'd be fighting to completely conquer our map. Sound like a cool game though. Perhaps we should include a faction called the Chinese and Africans as well? Damn the Italian factions will be a hard one...
No mention of either Bartix or the Spice Girls. Moros, you disappoint me :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Moros
Your a braver man than me, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
With regards to B_Ray, although it is possible that they were under the same leadership, as represented by the tale of Commios, I agree with Moros that they were unlikely to have been present on either side of the channel in 272BC. Personally I favour a date of arrival of c100BC in line with the Gallo-Belgic type C coinage and the funerary evidence from Westhampnett in West Sussex.
I think there was already enough silliness posted on these last two pages...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mediolanicus
Either you're trying to be funny or you really are this poorly informed. Either way, fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69
Like an Irish deerhound on the trail of a stag one mention of Iron Age Britain and oudysseos follows the scent to the thread.
With regards to SLickNiga I likewise see little point in the Saba, they were not terribly expansionist and I would prefer to see them replaced by a Celtic faction in Europe, however, I would support their inclusion as they do represent a long lasting cultural and political force in Arabia and their removal would prompt people to call for the removal of the Casse, a faction who barely interact with the rest of the game. Thus I would rather see the Saba stay in, if only to give credibility to the Casse inclusion. Also, why on earth meld the Averni and Aedui into a single "Celt" faction but leave the Allobroges as a seperate faction. If the Belgae were included (OH GOD PLEASE!) it wouldn't be a bad idea to balance out the Aedui-Belgae alliance (forgive me if I have interpreted the political situation in Gaul incorrectly) with that of the Arverni-Allobroges.
On another note what about the Aetolians?
This was posted on the Faction Speculation Thread over at TWCenter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brennus
I have no idea how to interpret that, but it seems to be pretty clear in implicating that the Aitolian League will not be a playable faction.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulus
I can't say that I'd miss Saba, mainly because it seems that the entire south third of the campaign map exists solely to fit them into the game. Leaving them out would mean that a good portion of the map could be cut and allow for a few more provinces in the eastern section. I know that's not going to happen, but I can certainly sympathize with those who would like it to. Since Saba's going to remain, I'd really like to have a Nubian faction as well. They (like Saba) would have a very unique roster and feel to them. And they'd give both Saba and the Ptolemaioi much needed competitors. Main problem is that they would necesitate their own culture slot, which isn't really an option. Oh well.
Originally Posted by FootQuote:
Originally Posted by Horatius Flaccus
Kartli was in an alliance with AS against Hayasdan. But it wasn't an active war as far as we can tell. Hayasdan had just supported the King of Kappadokia against the AS, and so the AS needed to keep an eye on Hayasdan. To do this they gave support to Kartli. They weren't at war, but they weren't best of friends either. Had Hayasdan become agressive, she would have been caught in a pincer between the two nations. Kartli, on the otherhand, had a bit more free reign and was beginning to move into the colchis region (which, at the time, was ruled by a lot of little minor princes, rather than a unified land.
Foot
....and Kartli did, eventually, suffer from interference by the Hayasdan, becoming a 'vassal' Kingdom (with a son (Artaxias, known in the medieval Georgian chronicles as Arshak) of the Armenian King - possibly Artavasdes I, being made King (and marrying into the previous royal family).
So, a 'Kingdom of Kartli' incorporating Colchis? Who knows? I think the danger would be in having too powerful a faction that, as has been suggested, weakens Hayasdan too much....Although it is, perhaps, no accident that Armenia's greatest expansion occured reasonably soon after the 'subjugation' of Kartli...?
My spider sneses tingle when Kartli comes up. Dunno why but my guess is they were a borderline faction for EB with an "interesting" location on the map, a sweet (if not quite iconic) faction specific unit and some historical action.
Well the EB team told us a lot of times they found a new way to interpret the Koinon, so my guess would be one of the options will be to "evolve" into an alliance simmilar to the Aetolian league. They've said many times you won't be able to conquer much with this faction without giving something up, so it could mean that the you form some sort of league... I dunno :)Quote:
Originally Posted by B_Ray
Regarding Kartli: I think you could represent them moving into the Colchis region by giving them the PSF of that province.
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I can't say that I'd miss Saba, mainly because it seems that the entire south third of the campaign map exists solely to fit them into the game. Leaving them out would mean that a good portion of the map could be cut and allow for a few more provinces in the eastern section.
I'm sorry, but that is just plain old wrong and you should probably double-check just how far south the Ptolemaioi go... Because they have Triakontaschoinos and Erythraia, at most you could get rid of three provinces: Saba, Qataban and Dt'amat, before you'd have start doing some serious fiddling with those two Ptolemaioi territories (along with the rebel territories of Ma'in and Zufar), which would all have to inflate and change shape in order to get rid of Kush and Hadramaut without leaving "gaps" in the campaign map...
That's only five territories (again, any further north than that and you start shaving off the southern end of the Ptolemaioi) and quite a hell of a lot of work for very little gain I would think...
Also, your claim that this represents the "southern third" of the campaign map is just absurd... The image of the EB campaign map I have open right now is 1546 pixels tall. A third of this is 1030 pixels and running a line across the map at that point I discover that you've just cut away almost the entireity of the Ptolemaioi and one Karthadastim province, the line sitting right on top of the mouth of the Nile and slicing away most of the Kart province of Syrthim...
Indeed, running a line across at 1400 pixels (the southern tip of the Ptolemaioi's southernmost province of Erythraia) and dividing 1400 by 1545 and multiplying by 100 to see what percentage of the map this represents, it actually comes to 90.6% of the map (or 88.9% of the map measuring from the southernmost tip of Ptolemaioi's second-southernmost province of Triakontaschoinos... So it's actually the southern tenth of the map that is solely inhabited by Saba, not the botton third... Quite exaggeration on your part if I may say so...
The map was made long before the Saba were a faction in EB. In fact the opposite is actually true, one of the reasons Saba was chosen as a faction was to fill the gap down there in the map, which before just turned into a warzone between the AS and Ptolemaioi.Quote:
Originally Posted by B_Ray
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Originally Posted by bobbin
Huh... really? Hmm, I suppose AS must've been blitzing down the right side of the Eremos, following the Persian Gulf, while the 'tollies went down the left, following the Red Sea... Eventually the two would meet in the middle (probably right around where Saba is now) and start duking it out... is that right?
imo the map size is very good and realisic to that point that while sailing around africa was possible but seldom practiced, sailing around arabia was far less seldom, which I find the most important thing about the map size^^
-someone who does not play Ptolemies or Saba(but is not in favor of kicking saba)
Sailing around africa? As far as we know no one accomplished that before the middle ages, sailing round arabia was practiced regularly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ca Putt
Yeah pretty much, in older versions of the map Eremos in Arabia was a seprate province that could be captured, so you just ended up with a load of stacks fighting it out in the middle of the desert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Trek
Not exactly correct. It was also chosen, apart from its importance in trade in that part of the world, as otherwise Arabia would rebel to Pahlava (which it did often), which created a purple menace on both sides of the AS. It wasn't pretty, and Saba plays a very important role providing a creator faction for that entire region.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
Foot
In my opinion the creation of a faction in Nubia might be interesting; I don't know the historical events that happened there, but I read that in IIIrd BC Strabo report a Nobatae faction controlled the territory, after the Meroe Kingdom...Quote:
I can't say that I'd miss Saba, mainly because it seems that the entire south third of the campaign map exists solely to fit them into the game. Leaving them out would mean that a good portion of the map could be cut and allow for a few more provinces in the eastern section. I know that's not going to happen, but I can certainly sympathize with those who would like it to. Since Saba's going to remain, I'd really like to have a Nubian faction as well. They (like Saba) would have a very unique roster and feel to them. And they'd give both Saba and the Ptolemaioi much needed competitors. Main problem is that they would necesitate their own culture slot, which isn't really an option. Oh well.
I find very curious the Axum Kingdom, in Ethiopia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aksumite
Won't work with the limited culture slots
wasent there this Phonecian or carthagian guy who (barely) managed to get arround africa?
afterall I meant to emphasise that that whereas not beeing able to sail around Africa is not a big loss ingame not having a path around arabia would indeed be sad.
But whole army fleets? I think if you wanted to do that all the admirals would laugh you in the face. Especially as you wouldn't know exactly where you are afterwards and how long it'd take,...
I don't know if it had been done in the Ancient times but it was quite a risky challenge even in the 15th century. Actually I don't think the shiptypes would have been very good at it. Perhaps they could go south a lot, but at southernmost tip of Africa, I think these ships would be hopeless.
I imagine your are thinking of Hanno the Navigator, no one knows exactly how far he went but we are certain he didn't make it all the way round, or even half way. The general consenus is that he reached either modern day Senegal or Cameroon before turning back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ca Putt
but it's fun poping up in mesopotamia with all seleucid troops locked in asia minor :D
oh right, sorry the last time i've heard about him was in a "once apon a time" :D so a fairly long ago and b fairly unprofessional. it was just spooking around in my memory ;)
Hanno the Navigator tried. He came as far as Ghana or possibly even further south but then they feared it would get only hotter and hotter (until the seas would boil). Then this exiled Persian guy was forced to try it as well, but he had to turn back as well.Quote:
wasent there this Phonecian or carthagian guy who (barely) managed to get arround africa?
Hax that is fascinating, is there much literature available on those travels? I would love to read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
There is quite an extensive description of his travels which include nice places to eat, sights to see and a comical incident involving Hanno and a barbary ape...Quote:
Originally Posted by stratigos vasilios
I'll try to look up the Persian guy. There's loads of stuff on Hanno available on the internets though.Quote:
Hax that is fascinating, is there much literature available on those travels? I would love to read it.
LOL. That would explain the Lonely Planet book he wrote on it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brennus
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Originally Posted by stratigos vasilios
Dear devs!
Please announce list of ALL new ( brand new ones not presented in EB) factions. IMO it is time.
That would be some fresh air for us, EB fans worldwide.
Do not tempt the gods mere mortal! Jokes aside what if the team are several years away from releasing EBII, then you have ruined your surprises.Quote:
Originally Posted by zurab
I would not want that. It has been the policy of the EB team to give us elaborately compiled previews on certain subjects and certain factions and I find that much more appealing than just putting out "oh, fyi, these are the new factions".Quote:
Originally Posted by zurab
Btw, I find it a little rude demanding a faction list like that (in upper case at that). The team members put a lot of work in this, without any reward than the gradually growing achievements and it's entirely their call when "it is time".
If you find rude a statement with "please" and "dear devs" then...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lysimachos
It's been a long time since we have last announce of a new faction. And the most interesting thing for me are those brand new factions.
I demand nothing but ask.
Yes, "please ALL". How about "another" or perhaps "some"? No, you had to go for "ALL". In upper case (so to make clear that less doesn't work for you, perhaps?). Looks like demanding to me, despite "Dear devs" and "please". But don't mind me, that's just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by zurab
you know I just thought to myself:If I ask for ALL they will announce one or two. That was my strategy:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lysimachos