Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia [Concluded]

FH:

You're a notch more active here than any previous game.

1.54/ppp as a Detective in Netherworld; 1.94/ppp in St. Thomas as a townie; 1.82/ppp as a Bodyguard in Castle I.

Oddly, you seem to increase posting as your role becomes less of a "power role," or at least that's the case so far.... :inquisitive:


Sasaki-san:

You are way below average for you this time around. 'kev is dusting you on post-count! Will you let this go unchallenged?!? :laugh4:

It's interesting. The town is being led by PK as the most active poster. Makes me wonder whether is first-round antics were in fact a daring gambit to sacrifice one mafioso as a 'confirmed' town (as he was so quick to point out) so that he can then work to lead the town astray. Hmm.

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Originally Posted by Craterus

It's interesting. The town is being led by PK as the most active poster. Makes me wonder whether is first-round antics were in fact a daring gambit to sacrifice one mafioso as a 'confirmed' town (as he was so quick to point out) so that he can then work to lead the town astray. Hmm.

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This is of course possible. I won't ask you to trust me.

Just consider what would be more helpful to the mafia.

a.) sacrificing one of their two people for the dubious "advantage" of having a ghost in the beginning of the game or,

b.) having 2 people alive to increase the chances of at least 1 surviving to the end.

If the mafia suicides one of their own people, then that lone mafia needs to be both very good and very lucky.

If I was mafia, and my partner said they were going to suicide on Day 1, I would tell them they are crazy.

As for being active, I've been trying to get everyone to be active. If there is silence, mafia can hide in it. The more posting and analysis there is, the better.

Interesting theory, Caterus, but it does sound a bit risky.

Vote: Beefy for the same reasons as last round, I never did get a response.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

This is of course possible. I won't ask you to trust me.

Just consider what would be more helpful to the mafia.

a.) sacrificing one of their two people for the dubious "advantage" of having a ghost in the beginning of the game or,

b.) having 2 people alive to increase the chances of at least 1 surviving to the end.

If the mafia suicides one of their own people, then that lone mafia needs to be both very good and very lucky.

If I was mafia, and my partner said they were going to suicide on Day 1, I would tell them they are crazy.

As for being active, I've been trying to get everyone to be active. If there is silence, mafia can hide in it. The more posting and analysis there is, the better.

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Everyone wants to pull off something special. I remember when I was mafia with FH in the Pub Crawl game and he chose to use his first kill on Proletariat, the host. Helpful? No. Different, yes.

I'm just saying we shouldn't rule it out. It's always dangerous when the town is being led by one player and it's something that Sasaki usually does very well which is why he's considered such a dangerous player, IMO. I understand that you're trying to create discussion but one player tries to invigorate the scene, it's suspicious. Really, the town should create its own discussion with several posters bouncing some ideas around. I'm sure activity will pick up soon.

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Originally Posted by Craterus

I understand that you're trying to create discussion but one player tries to invigorate the scene, it's suspicious. Really, the town should create its own discussion with several posters bouncing some ideas around. I'm sure activity will pick up soon.

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I see what your saying. But it gets frustrating when people are like, "well I'm just going to wait before I say anything." :wall:

So, I stoke the fires a little and see what happens. When satisfied, I back off and go to the next lurker/joker/abstainer/suspicious person. The more I can put the spotlight on these people, and get them to talk, the better.

Of course I would prefer if multiple people did it. But a lot of people seem busy in real life or lurking. So I then have one of two choices. I can try to get the discussion going myself, or I can just say !@#$ it and give up. If I do the former, I "might" do some good. If I do the latter, I won't help at all.

I vote you give up. :grin:

:bow: I think you're doing the right thing. Was just highlighting the dangers for the town.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

I vote you give up. :grin:

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And that would help the town how?

You've been acting funny this game but I think it's "goofing off because I'm bored" funny rather than "scummy".

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Originally Posted by Craterus

:bow: I think you're doing the right thing. Was just highlighting the dangers for the town.

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I honestly don't think PK is(or rather was) mafia. In a game with just 2 mafioso, sacrificing 1 just to mislead the town isn't good strategy, unless he is extremely confident in his partners ability to avoid getting lynched. A bad bandwagon or a detective reveal would end the game pretty quickly.

I don't see where this suspicion on Tincow is coming from. His recent posts show he isn't very active at the org in general, not just in this game. Plus, he just doesn't seem like the type to try and lurk through the game to me. I think people are just a bit suspicious of him because of his recent success at mafia.( I'm personally still a bit annoyed about Netherworld, myself. :laugh4:)

Factionheir should probably be lynched though. Even if he's innocent, we simply can't have people arguing over his guilt clutter up every day phase.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

And that would help the town how?

You've been acting funny this game but I think it's "goofing off because I'm bored" funny rather than "scummy".

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Less posts to read? :bounce:

I think I've been acting more stupid then funny, but to each his own I assume.

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Originally Posted by Craterus

Missing isn't the clue. Lost letters. A letter could well be lost if it has found its way somewhere it shouldn't be. :scholar:

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You have a point. :bow:

Here are the "lost" letters I have found.

N2:

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The birds had returned since the unexpected disturbance of their morning routine yesterday, although they were not singing, as if wary that there would be a similiar breaking of the silence today.

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I added

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Andre, out of breath, stopped automatically to wave back and chat with the man. "Excellent morning for running, I do say," he said aimiably.

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S missing, I added

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Craterus, deep in the Frontroom marshes, watched the ducks fly away with his high-powered binoculrs.

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A missing

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Apparently not having got the message, this obviously coldhearted, callous, unfeeling individual quickly earned the ire of everyone around him by cracking (bad) jokes, voting for weird reasons, and generally ot taking the process seriously.

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N missing

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You ee, thanks to the OBI's meddling, I didn't even have an execution planned. Anyway, go back to your homes and hope we made the right decision.

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S missing

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"Downtown," he muttered, pocketing his bioculars and getting into his old blue car. From what he gathered, it had to be there, consdering that the birds were flying in all directions away from that area and that he had heard the shot from his house, meaning that it was probably fired on a roof where there wasn't much to block the sound from going far.

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N missing, I missing

D3:

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An outside observer witnessing this scene might have noted that the villagers of the Frontroom were perhaps too into it, chanting and screaming and calling for engeance.

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V missing

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Pressing a button, a propellor popped out of the top of Beirut's police hat

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O instead of E

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Instead, he creaned his neck around and watched as the mafioso walked into the barn, whistling a merry tune.

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E added

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Once it was done to suffiency, the mafioso stepped back (way back) and flicked the still-lit cigar onto his victim.

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C missing, I missing
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Thoughts?

http://www.foodtime.eu/ud/827/

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Originally Posted by Rythmic

Interesting theory, Caterus, but it does sound a bit risky.

Vote: Beefy for the same reasons as last round, I never did get a response.

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Look ill bang my head on the wall for unintentional WIFOM :wall: I really should stop doing WIFOMs...

Looking at this round, I don't think Joe Monks is the one we are after. He reacted like a confused townie.

Since I havnt read all the post but only the post after WF and CRs death, I cannot say anything about other two suspects FH and TC. I will vote for TC for the time being while I find a better culprit with my own reasoning

Vote: TC

Also if Rythmic is still suspecious of me, I am more then happy to suicide if I get more then one of dead players command. Im a little too busy still anyway.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

So how is TC behaving if you consider all his posts in this thread so far?

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To be totally honest, I'm not sure. TC's behavior is hard to decipher in my opinion, because from my perspective anyways(granted, I do not go into the detail that some of our more committed members do), TC's not only relatively consistent in his behavior, but also has little history of actually being a townsperson for a whole game. I say we leave him alive because of his potential value to the town. Some of our more esteemed members may be able to pick up some kind of hiccup in behavior, but I frankly cannot.

I'm also curious about Sasaki. It seems a bit reckless to decide that GH's game will make for a "good experiment" rather than contribute to his full potential.

Unvote:TC, Vote: Khaan

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Less posts to read? :bounce:

I think I've been acting more stupid then funny, but to each his own I assume.

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Howcome I get lynched for being stupid but everyone just ignores Ichigo?

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PK, the first one has a lost I not lost A. similiar should be similar not similir :tongue2:

And yes I think Ichigo's meatballing seems very suspicious.

I'd like to hear more from Kukrikhan.

Ichigo's meatballing is annoying and nonsensical, but it's so bound to attract attention that I think it's unlikely to be mafioso behavior. Too easy to get lynched with that kind of voting, he would be more careful. Then again, he may be a worthy lynch just because it's irritating.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Ichigo's meatballing is annoying and nonsensical, but it's so bound to attract attention that I think it's unlikely to be mafioso behavior. Too easy to get lynched with that kind of voting, he would be more careful. Then again, he may be a worthy lynch just because it's irritating.

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Interesting post :inquisitive:

I'm wondering if his meatballing may be a diversion for something else: anyone got a tally?

Ichigo just likes to have fun. He has a veering post style most of the time (regardless of role).

In fact, it's only when things get a bit too "serious" and less "game" that he's apt to opt out of a mafia for a day or two.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Ichigo just likes to have fun. He has a veering post style most of the time (regardless of role).

In fact, it's only when things get a bit too "serious" and less "game" that he's apt to opt out of a mafia for a day or two.

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What's your opinion on TinCow's last post?

Kukrihan's post count is also significantly higher then in his last games, where he was pro-town.

Not only that, but most of his posts don't contain much substance.

At the beginning of the game, Kukri wanted to lynch "the lurkers" which is something that shouldn't be done early at the game.

Voting lurkers at the start of a large mafia = voting with bad reasoning.

After that we had the peverpink "reveal". At first he wanted to lynch pever, but later he changed his opinion.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by KukriKhan

OK, I'll go with the "give pever the benefit of a doubt" plan, because I can't explain his motivation (and he hasn't either). His accusation against Kage is too shaky to trust.

unvote: peverpink
vote: Mithrandir

^^My default position: vote off the lurkers, intentional or not.

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Originally Posted by Andres

If we give pever the benefit of the doubt, then shouldn't Kage be our lynch for today?

If we assume pever is the detective, then what exactly is shaky about "Hi, I'm the detecive and my investigation result shows Kage as guilty"?



Most of the lurkers will be dealt with by the Wrath of God (WoG). We should pay attention to the lurkers within a day or 3, namely to those who haven't posted much and still managed to avoid the WoG by then.

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Again he wanted to lynch lurkers. Kukri is more then experienced enough (I believe he already played mafia while I was still a junior member) to know that lynching lurkers must wait until late mid game.

When questioned about it, he started to pay attention to the "lost letters" riddle, which is an easy way to "contribute" without really having to say something or take a stance about other players' behaviour. To me, it seems like his contributions about "the riddle", are just a way to avoid looking suspicious.

We all know Kukri as the nice and friendly guy he is, but that doesn't mean he can't be a mafioso. Just like we shouldn't lynch people because they have the reputation to be "dangerous", we shouldn't let people with a "friendly" reputation of the hook so easily.

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

Howcome I get lynched for being stupid but everyone just ignores Ichigo?

~:mecry:

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I'm not ignoring Ichigo. When you were doing it, I couldn't see any better lynch targets so I focused on getting an un-helpful townie. Now there are better lynch targets so Ichigo is lower on my list of lynch priorities.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

PK, the first one has a lost I not lost A. similiar should be similar not similir :tongue2:

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Doh! :wall:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Ichigo's meatballing is annoying and nonsensical, but it's so bound to attract attention that I think it's unlikely to be mafioso behavior. Too easy to get lynched with that kind of voting, he would be more careful. Then again, he may be a worthy lynch just because it's irritating.

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No, lynch meatballers "after" lynching suspicious people. :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

I'm wondering if his meatballing may be a diversion for something else: anyone got a tally?

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I think you are trying way too hard to throw suspicion onto other people. In my opinion, your trying too hard to get out of a lynch.

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Originally Posted by Andres

We all know Kukri as the nice and friendly guy he is, but that doesn't mean he can't be a mafioso. Just like we shouldn't lynch people because they have the reputation to be "dangerous", we shouldn't let people with a "friendly" reputation of the hook so easily.

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That is a good point. But TC and FH seem like better targets at the moment. We should look into Kukri later after these two are dead or cleared.

Fine, lynch me, as long as you lynch TC afterwards. Then I'll be happy :grin:

Oh, and of course apologize to me after the game because you lynched a townie. I want to see that :yes:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

That is a good point. But TC and FH seem like better targets at the moment. We should look into Kukri later after these two are dead or cleared.

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Oh yeah, feel free to ignore the actual case :shame:

Got a hidden agenda, Mister "Let's get myself lynched round 1" ?

Anyway, I'm interested in what Kukri has to say.

Why don't you living guys say :"Vote : Kukrikhan", to put some pressure on him?

Because he must be my scum buddy :clown:

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Because he must be my scum buddy :clown:

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Are you confessing your sins?