Music Mafia [Concluded]

I'm actually going to go with you on that unless I change my mind again in the next hour or so. CH is rather on the scummy side.

Votes:
Day One -- meaningless late vote on B-ray, took townie b-ray to 2 votes behind townie JHT at 3
Day Two -- last vote on Auto, put Auto up over Secura
Day Three -- bandwagoned Visorslash on "not good for town" basis, but only *after* ATPG, TLD and Romanic (odds at least two townies in the group) had done the same. Prior to those votes, had argued that Visor was probably townie (though maybe mafia) and refrained from voting.
Day Four -- Voted ATPG because ATPG's vote switches looked fake; timing was after all the initial discussion of split/believer/robbie; but before the split bandwagon got moving. Once it did, CH tacked a vote onto the end of it, putting split up two over believer.

There's basically not a thing here that gives town vibes; even the thing I thought there was was me mis-remembering something. CH is avoiding most of the discussion, almost always voting late (day one and two) and/or with a comfortable bandwagon for cover (day two, three, four). The only vote that was different was IMO a bad one (I dont' think ATPG is actually giving that vibe), and managed to avoid the main topics of discussion, at that.


I'd also like to hear some comments from Secura on her day three actions, due to a potential connection with CH. Besides CH's day two vote, there was this. Vote tally at end of day three:

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Visorslash: 3 (Romanic, Classical_Hero, Believer)
Robbiecon: 2 (Renata, Secura)
Classical_Hero: 2 (AskThePizzaGuy, TheLastDays)
Csargo: 2 (Visorslash, Robbiecon)

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(A late vote from Chaotix on Robbie and an unvote from Romanic were not counted, for being after the deadline.) Prior to the robbiecon votes, CH was in significant danger of being lynched, as I was voting him instead. After Secura voted robbie, so did I.

Secura:

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Originally Posted by Secura

You took the words straight from my fingertips!

I think that this is a poor vote with no explaination beyond 'mixing things up'; robbiecon, why would you want to do that when there's a handful of people who merit a vote? Visor, TLD, myself, Believer, autolycus... so why vote for Ichi?

I'm going to follow my suspicions in early rounds, as I can vote: robbiecon with a little more confidence. :3

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Why not CH in that list of vote-meriters? He had 3 votes at this point. And how does this square with your just-stated opinion that I should be voting visor (presumably, instead of CH)?

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Originally Posted by Secura

This is still a bad outcome no matter what happens; masquerading as mafia as ultimately led to Visor being outed as a town investigative role... even if we call his ability to scan DJ favour as a bit 'meh' (that's open to discussion though, I think it has it's uses), the mafia still have a power role to target over the coming night phases.

If you see no merit in his claimed ability, it's better to follow through on the lynch to be certain that he's not playing a Xanatos Gambit... I think that if we pooled together knowledge of what the goals are for each level of DJ favour, his ability would gain more use.

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Tally:

5 Split (ATPG, Believer, Captain Blackadder, Csargo, CH)
3 Believer (Romanic, robbiecon, Secura)
3 CH (TLD, split, renata)

As I have stated earlier and a little earlier too I believe CH is scum... let's get rid of him

Fixed a minor mistake in my long post, re-vote here:

unvote, vote: CH

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Originally Posted by Renata

Why not CH in that list of vote-meriters? He had 3 votes at this point. And how does this square with your just-stated opinion that I should be voting visor (presumably, instead of CH)?

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That list of "vote-meriters" wasn't definitive or anything like that; I named those that I'd seen under pressure even if it was for trivial reasons, though I cannot offer a good reason as to why classical's name was not among them other than that I cannot really remember anything that he's said or why people have voted for him. The same applies to my votes today, split and Believer were sticking in my head and that's where I hung my hat.

As for stating why you should vote Visor, that's already explained in the post you've quoted, and an earlier one where I stated that you should lynch me if you had any qualms with my own professed innocence; at that point, I believed Visor's own claims and was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt... it doesn't extend to classical because he hasn't been on my radar at all. >.<

I'll unvote, vote: classical_hero to follow your suspicions, but I must reiterate that I do still want to hear from Believer a bit more. We'll need another vote to break the tie though.

Or to put it into one, depending.

Tally:

5 Split (ATPG, Believer, Captain Blackadder, Csargo, CH)
2 Believer (Romanic, robbiecon)
4 CH (TLD, split, renata, Secura)

I do think classical is suspicious for his vote on ATPG. Only a mafia player worries when someone is changing their votes a lot.

And I like Renata's case.

unvote; vote: classical_hero

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Originally Posted by Secura

You didn't get the claim? :o

I had an inkling from the little hints, and once I Google'd "South Park musician harvest", the whole thing became clearer; even then, Pizza and I were giving some clues! Keep up, Roman! :D




Ummm, what? You both think Britney Spears has Bad Popularity? o_O'

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Hmmm? She can't have bad favor with the DJ? I can't say I understand how the system works. It says at least one of the two has to be bad, but does the other have to be neutral for them to be mafia? Or can it be good?

I changed my vote based on the tally at the time mostly, and the fact that he's somewhat scummy. I would much rather lynch CB to be honest. No one seems to want to do that though. :shrug:

Also, Unvote:Split

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Hmmm? She can't have bad favor with the DJ? I can't say I understand how the system works. It says at least one of the two has to be bad, but does the other have to be neutral for them to be mafia? Or can it be good?

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That was an early rule, it was changed so that Popularity was the main factor in deciding one's alignment, and that DJ Favour would decide one's secondary goal instead. It's perfectly possible to have Bad Popularity and Good DJ Favour, and indeed I suspect that this may be one of the paradigms we'll see when the roles are revealed at the end... I think of this as Diamondeye admitting to his "guilty pleasure" artists. :laugh4:

As for her bad favour with the DJ, it's doubtful; I know that Diamondeye is a fan of Britney, touched upon earlier in the game by Romanic in reference to his avatar over at CFC (t'was Britney, is now Lady Gaga), so it's likely she's Good Favour in that respect. Her Popularity is far far more debateable, but I don't think she's unpopular myself.

Not even ATPG can blame me for this now.

Unvote;
Vote: Classical_Hero

Music Mafia
End of day four...

The Artists seemed not to let their lack fo success so far deter them from arguing against each other up and down the walls and lobbying for executions right and left, and the day was indeed filled with hateful accusations - some wanted to execute Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, evidently on charges of being one mrs. Britney Spears. They wouldn't find out today, though, because public opinion swayed against another suspicious character, Classical_Hero, had attracted lots of attention at the end of the day. When the final vote was tallied, he had sneaked into the lead. It was not comforting to him. He idly swirled a drumstick between the fingers of one of his hands.

"So all of a sudden, I'm the lead suspect? Ain't that just fantastic? Ain't that just against all odds?"
"Well guess what, you're gonna have to come and get me!"

He found a drumstick with his other hand as well, this one stained in dry blood. "Must have been an accident somewhere..."
Out of nowhere, a female figure bounded from the crowd in a series of athletic and aesthetic coreographic movements. He foot ended right in the face of classical_hero, sending him flying from the ledge onto the floor were he landed with a sickening crunch.
"You want a piece of me, huh?"

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Classical_Hero was Phil Collins!
http://i53.tinypic.com/n5ldow.jpg
He was of bad popularity and of neutral favor with the DJ!

Tally:
3 Spl1tp3r50nal1ty (AskThePizzaGuy, Captain Blackadder, Classical_Hero)
1 Believer (Robbiecon)
6 Classical_Hero (TheLastDays, Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, Renata, Secura, Romanic, Believer)

Players Alive (10):
TheLastDays
Renata
Romanic
AskThePizzaGuy
Robbiecon
Csargo
Secura
Spl1tPersonality
Captain Blackadder
Believer

It is now night four!
Orders deadline in roughly 24 hours!

:afro:

I knew that anyone with the name "classical" in it was bad news :laugh:

So I was right from the start.

ATPG, is this uncomfortable for you?


Also, is that you TLD? Shania Twain?

Heh.

This is me saying I told you so :yes:

EDIT: I'm not Shania Twain and also would you have guessed phil collins as Bad popularity?

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Originally Posted by Secura

That was an early rule, it was changed so that Popularity was the main factor in deciding one's alignment, and that DJ Favour would decide one's secondary goal instead. It's perfectly possible to have Bad Popularity and Good DJ Favour, and indeed I suspect that this may be one of the paradigms we'll see when the roles are revealed at the end... I think of this as Diamondeye admitting to his "guilty pleasure" artists. :laugh4:

As for her bad favour with the DJ, it's doubtful; I know that Diamondeye is a fan of Britney, touched upon earlier in the game by Romanic in reference to his avatar over at CFC (t'was Britney, is now Lady Gaga), so it's likely she's Good Favour in that respect. Her Popularity is far far more debateable, but I don't think she's unpopular myself.

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I must have missed that bit of information. As for DE's taste in music I'll have to trust you on that, since I have no idea.

I don't even know what happened, since I only had time to skim this. But :laugh4: and well done!

I don't like Believer's vote change at the end. :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Csargo

I don't like Believer's vote change at the end. :inquisitive:

Believe nothing

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Have faith brother.

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Originally Posted by TheLastDays

... and also would you have guessed phil collins as Bad popularity?

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No, I wouldn't have, though I guess it's accurate enough now.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

I don't like Believer's vote change at the end. :inquisitive:

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Tell me you have not been chatting with Believer. Because if you haven't, no offense Believer, but I have to be very amused.

There's going to be something wrong with this theory, because I don't really remember Enya as being a big superstar. Perhaps I am mistaken. And yet I have Good popularity and Good Favor as well.

Also, don't you think the game would be broken if everyone could just mass reveal and folks could suggest they're guilty based on being unpopular somehow?

That said, I guess it is possible.

I have not. I'm confused now.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

I have not. I'm confused now.

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Believer has been chatting with a lot of folks behind the scenes.

We were talking earlier, after CH was already in the lead. He seemed concerned that he'd get a lot of :daisy: from ATPG if he changed his vote again. Kind of amusing, given the outcome.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Believer has been chatting with a lot of folks behind the scenes.

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Ah. I rarely chat with people. The only person is ATPG, no one else chats with me. Except in the org chat.

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Originally Posted by Renata

We were talking earlier, after CH was already in the lead. He seemed concerned that he'd get a lot of :daisy: from ATPG if he changed his vote again. Kind of amusing, given the outcome.

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Why would anyone be concerned about changing their votes?

I had a theory for a little while that Believer and Split were mafia together, and that's why Believer was so reluctant to vote for Split.

If Split is neutral, that's a mistaken theory.

I am interested in Captain Blackadder as Classical_Hero's possible partner. Or, Believer; possible perfect info going on.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

I have not. I'm confused now.

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I spoke to Renata about the lynch just before I cast my vote. One of my concerns were that people would be on my case even more. Here's a part of that conversation.


Believer: I do, but I'm afraid to get in even more trouble by switching my vote again -.-'
Renata: don't be so worried about it. why are you so self-conscious if you are town? this isn't like you
Believer: It isn't? xD
Believer: Oh I forget, you still haven't seen the Dutch QT :P
Renata: well no, but still!
Believer: I've only been lynched once, and I've been town all my games. It was not a pleasant thing, I let down my whole team by somehow behaving in a way I shouldn't have.
Believer: I don't plan on repeating that performance

*I have subbed out our real names for our .Org names.
**The "Dutch QT" that is reffered is the QT from the Animus game, where I was shivering like a leaf for almost a solid week.