Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

GH's blatant semi-defense of dya yesterday, the way he's approached dya today (granted I didn't read the later stuff at that point, but it tracks with earlier stuff); doesn't feel like they go like that when w/w!!

That not w/w read has pretty much nothing to do with everyone else thinking it; I would argue that I had it first!!!

On another point, why is Visor so high and why is GH so low?

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If dya=w

We had v/w/v wagons with gh pushing the villas and defending the wolf. Nothing he has said or done makes that look better for him.

If rask=w

Similar as above but GH would look not bad because he was on raskd1. I would be concerned about the world he vocally pushed a wolf but voted villas , something I love to do as a wolf, but I wouldn’t be on his ass and he’d be higher. Possible he could be a wolf but less likely

If both=w

Gh ended on a villa when we had w/v/w wagons despite pushing one of the wolves. Absolutely a wolf move. I wouldn’t be surprised if people thought I was a wolf more in this world too because I pushed both wolves vocally and voted csargo. Definitely gh could be a wolf


So talk to me about why gh can’t bea wolf or why I should have him higher before rask flip

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Why are they unlikely to be unaligned, and also what's your individual Visor read that is independent of the Amy slot?

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I don’t understand how this is a question.

wheres your head at bop

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

uh

i could but i'm not going to

the difference is like you/capage/visor all took hard stances on one or another ahead of the curve

if there's at least one v in gh/dya, and especially if two, wolves are absolutely going to take advantage of the opportunity to back up people's incorrect reads on them and settle the gamestate gently into a confbiased one, but they're rarely going to actually bury them at the start of the phase because they either have to take responsiblity for doing so upon v flips or basically keep their partner from posting better and getting out of reads after mostly being suspected for being Lacking/whatever

the risk/reward is whack, and most people aren't going to do the Plays they'd need to, especially not when we're in this condition already

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Okay so this answers a lot of what I was just asking, ignore that!!!!

I guess my difference in how I'm reading this is that I feel like Visor's push on GH felt like not a town push, where maybe my mindmelding with GH is confbiasing me a little, but... he was one of the first on there and yet from how the thread seems to be moving, I'm not getting the sense that he'd get a lot of heat from it if GH is town!!!

Feels like maybe I'm tunneling a bit, but I'm still ??? at the push and just overall... assumptive stuff when we're on day 2 and everything is still very not set in stone!!! Also no, your previous post explaining it doesn't count if you're talking about your SoD post, Visor!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Visor

wheres your head at bop

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Give me 6 dAyvigs

I’ll shoot dya/gh/montenot/Dolby/manasi/maple

We vote out either cuth or esooa depending on if game continues

Rask dies to poison

And I think the very worst case scenario we are in lylo with a solid core and a good chance to win.

If I hit 2 wolves game basically locked up

I would explore switching out montenot with esooa in the above

Also maybe not maple either

dya/gh/dolby/esooa

this is the way

Also I recognize visor could be a wolf but I vibed with him day 1 so while sure he’s a good player, nothing has happened yet to make me question it so ima ride with that

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Capage, what does the bolded mean? You said that you liked Dya in your first sentence, then transitioned smoothly directly into calling them suspicious in the next two sentences?

I mean, did I miss something here or what?

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I think that i tried to capture the dissonance between some of her posts feeling good and her overall activity feeling scummy.
Also, regarding Dolby, I need to dive into it. I think his posts look good, almost too good for overall impact he had. Also, him relying on meta a lot is something what triggers alarms for me. Basically, there's more confidence in his posts than his thread presence suggests.

In one hour I’m going to get my Dunkin’ Donuts sandwich. 2 coffees, midnight roast and a Carmel macchiato, then go to a specialty donut shop and get 3 donuts. Vietnamese coffee, maple bacon(with thick pieces of bacon on top), donut that tastes like Oreo cookie then ima feast on it all while watching wandavision and after I’m gonna sleep.

Later I’ll probably have a big poop
@Manasi because this is the content you want

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Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm

If dya=w

We had v/w/v wagons with gh pushing the villas and defending the wolf. Nothing he has said or done makes that look better for him.

If rask=w

Similar as above but GH would look not bad because he was on raskd1. I would be concerned about the world he vocally pushed a wolf but voted villas , something I love to do as a wolf, but I wouldn’t be on his ass and he’d be higher. Possible he could be a wolf but less likely

If both=w

Gh ended on a villa when we had w/v/w wagons despite pushing one of the wolves. Absolutely a wolf move. I wouldn’t be surprised if people thought I was a wolf more in this world too because I pushed both wolves vocally and voted csargo. Definitely gh could be a wolf


So talk to me about why gh can’t bea wolf or why I should have him higher before rask flip

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Are you solely working off of results here, then? I'm probably not going to engage with that because... pre-flip associatives that'd probably involve reading EoD1 thrice, and no!!

His posts today and overall solving have approached the game in a fairly towny manner... an example of this is the dya read development, which I actually think is quite reasonable in light of Csargo flipping town yesterday!!! General stuff that has taken new information into account along with other mindmeldy things; not something I'm extremely confident about, but I feel stronger about it than making pre-flip associations!!!!

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Hi Ephemeral/Bop!!!!!

You only got me for half a second there Bop, before I remembered what time it is; GH is (almost) never up this early!!!

Quick question: do people actually think a dya/GH w/w world could exist here? Because... no, don't really think that's a thing!!

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I think it's possible, but I could easily see v/w too

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Are you solely working off of results here, then? I'm probably not going to engage with that because... pre-flip associatives that'd probably involve reading EoD1 thrice, and no!!

His posts today and overall solving have approached the game in a fairly towny manner... an example of this is the dya read development, which I actually think is quite reasonable in light of Csargo flipping town yesterday!!! General stuff that has taken new information into account along with other mindmeldy things; not something I'm extremely confident about, but I feel stronger about it than making pre-flip associations!!!!

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Agree to disagree I guess

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Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm

I don’t understand how this is a question.

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The question was to Manti, asking about the not w/w alignment and his independent Visor read!!

I'm assuming people have those, and are not just sheeping others calling him town!!!!

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Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm

Also I recognize visor could be a wolf but I vibed with him day 1 so while sure he’s a good player, nothing has happened yet to make me question it so ima ride with that

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Can you elaborate on the vibing with him on day 1 and why you think he's town from that?

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Originally Posted by pzelda

I think that i tried to capture the dissonance between some of her posts feeling good and her overall activity feeling scummy.
Also, regarding Dolby, I need to dive into it. I think his posts look good, almost too good for overall impact he had. Also, him relying on meta a lot is something what triggers alarms for me. Basically, there's more confidence in his posts than his thread presence suggests.

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Huh, okay?

I'm pretty sure I meant to talk about Montmorency, when I talked about the person referring to meta a lot!!!

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Originally Posted by Visor

what do yall think of esooa

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in a similar spot as dolby, think she dropped off substantially from ~mid d1

both slots are coasting and it's kinda :stare:

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

Official Tally as of #893

3 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm)
3 dyachei (Raskolnikov [formerly Ampharos], Ephemeral, Hally)

2 pzelda (Montmorency, Dolby)
2 Raskolnikov [formerly Ampharos] (Visor, pzelda)

1 Cuthillius (Maple)
1 Dolby (Csargo)
1 Ephemeral (GeneralHankerchief)
1 GeneralHankerchief (Cuthillius)
1 Maple (Esooa)

Not Voting: dyachei, Manasi

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Ok, I'm starting reading here. Colonel on Csargo looks like possible wolf positioning, but let's overlook that. If I recall it correctly, Bop suspected Csargo years before voting him.
So, other wagons and non-voters. I think dya was active enough to vote at this point. I think her focus on defensing herself is a bad look and still might be the best lunch today. I would expect 1 or 2 wolves in throwaway votes too.
Rask being town or scum is important here. Town rask makes dya's wagon very likely pure. That would mean the other 1-2 wolves are in Dolby, Monty, Visor. All of this fits with my previous reads btw.
Not much else to take from this.

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

The question was to Manti, asking about the not w/w alignment and his independent Visor read!!

I'm assuming people have those, and are not just sheeping others calling him town!!!!

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I think it’s a wolfy question from someone reading the game from a villager perspective. Not reading visor villa but reading visor rask as not w/w. It might be possible but it’s painfully clear why people would think it’s not the case

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Can you elaborate on the vibing with him on day 1 and why you think he's town from that?

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I can quote my posts from day 1 about why I liked him for dropping a dumpster on rask’s slot that put heat on them in the first place if you want

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Originally Posted by Maple

I domt really want to

Out of laziness more than anything

But I'll give the cliff notes. Sadly, I don't have time to actually make it sound balling like I'd like

Esooa is in the game and posting. They have like the third or fourth most posts? They're claiming to have read and reread the game.

They post reads. The details are sparse but clustered. Village reads are easy. You've read the game, they look nice.

Their push on me.

Only 1 wolf read, and it's an easy consensus one to make.

The only one, but the sources cited are all very early into the thread. All posts cited are before post 200. In my experience, this (claim to read everything, out reads, find a rational in the beginning then make vague gestures for the rest)

Typically comes from wolves.

I do it. Others do it. It's a sign sign the shit you're saying is bullshit. It's not uncommon, and their read on me feels precisely like that. Their reads are nonoffensive and basic.

Ultimately, the read pings me. If it were d2 in a mash I'd do my song and dance of:

"Double down your read on me or rescind it or I'll [negative action/ITA/etc.] On you"; in mountainous desperado, I'd say "either shoot me or I'll shoot you", like with Para.

That's my general feeling at the moment.

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I feel like this part is somehow wolfy from Maple.

@Ara: it s worth mentionning that pretty much all my scum reads from the list I posted yesterday have been upped above the dolby line.

Gh/dya mostly a tonal read for dya and general feel of the gamestate (see Cuths posts)

Manasi because of her reaction yesterday reentering the thread. Not sure what I think about her actually posting contentfull posts or said content specifically

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Still mulling over the Visor read of Ampharos in my head; intially I was mostly shrug about it because I just feel like it's reading into it more than it is actually alignment-indicative!!! On second thought, I guess I somewhat like some of the nuance in it? General scope of the read, just sort of early but also I just personally don't really get into reads like that that early, but I think the way Visor approached it in general felt decently, also when factoring in the way he was talking about it before getting into it as though it was literal fact and stuff... I just don't necessarily agree with the case!!

Not really sure how comprehensible that was, but I've been staring at this post for literal ages now, so yeah!!!!!

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Tldr re:visor

I vibed with visor for this more than you and think it’s why most people have them as not w/w

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Originally Posted by Maple

Thinking about things holistically

It's probably <rand to vote people who my feeling is "distrust"; it's probably <rand to vote people who my feelings is "forgettable.

I suppose, I should vote someone else? Idk, might vanity vote and ghost the eod; I think we might be staying late in class today, and it could go through eod

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I don't find the wording of this post and how it's connected with slank cover towny at all.

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Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm

Tldr re:visor

I vibed with visor for this more than you and think it’s why most people have them as not w/w

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Also before the read when he popped in thread correcting people thinking he villa read them. I liked the tone of it

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Originally Posted by Visor

Vote: dyachei

i'll give you some time raskol

but you got an uphill battle d2

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actaully, Visor made this vote, when Dya had a single vote. So, It shouldn't be used for not w/w reads.

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Originally Posted by Manasi

vote: Dyachei

any spongers

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Originally Posted by Visor

give us some takes OFF THE DOME

manasi

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This is an interesting response to Manasi sheeping Visor.

Meh I’m cranky


Sorry ara, shouldn’t have butted into your question towards manti and having it be more constructive than dismissive

And I’m hungry

Ara check out paint it back

Picross hype

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Originally Posted by Manasi

vote: Dyachei

any spongers

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Originally Posted by Esooa

I just got out of bed to go eat with my dad so I'm not gonna post much. anyways

vote: dya

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Ok, here Esooa put dya in the lead. That makes me feel good (esp. because i find it harder and harder to see dya as town again).

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

Official Tally as of #1083

5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

4 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Hally)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, GeneralHankerchief)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)
2 pzelda (Montmorency, Dolby)

Not Voting: Maple

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And yeah, this votecount looks back for GH in that regard.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Vote: Rask

for now

Wagons:

Rask:
+ Decent D1 arguments against Amp, flip has much assoc equity
- Traditionally subs get a reprieve, and content-wise I've never had anything against Amp

Csargo:
+ Not a bad wagon makeup, decent arguments against on paper
- I want to ISO Star Trek D1 for the complete picture on Csargo, present it for D2, also I like to give Csargo a break
0 vig candidate

Dyachei: GH has it right that the dyachei push is the amy push but less of everything




My instinct with this kind of post, where are top wagon mildly defends another top wagon, is that if Csargo is scum dyachei has a high probability of being anti-spewed (i.e. not paired).

Interestingly, Rask/Amp is doing the same near above this post. Grapes are fermenting.



LEANS

NEUTRAL (not null)
Dolb
Sunbae

TOWN
--66%
Ara
Hally

NULL
CL
Visor
Cuth
Eph
GH

Maple
Esoo
Manasi

dya
Amy
Csargo

SCUM
Zelda
--33%

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And Monty's vote looks even worse.

So, I was trying to do a quantum tierlist, tiers alphabetical!!

Warning for mobile users: this is quite long!!!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Arapocalypse

Very towny
Cuthillius?
Ephemeral
General-
Hally
Hally
Hally!!!!!!!
pzelda
pzelda
pzelda
pzelda!!

At least somewhat towny
Cuthillius
Cuthillius
ColonelLubriderm
Dolby
Ephemeral
Ephemeral
Ephemeral
Ephemeral
Esooa
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief?
Montmorency
pzelda

Shrug, slightly towny
ColonelLubriderm
ColonelLubriderm
Cuthillius
Cuthillius
Cuthillius
Dolby
dyachei
Ephemeral
Ephemeral
Esooa
Esooa
Esooa
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
Manasi
Manasi
Maple
Maple
Montmorency
Montmorency
Visor

Shrug?
Cuthillius
Dolby
dyachei
dyachei
Ephemeral
Esooa
GeneralHankerchief
Manasi
Manasi
Manasi?
Maple
Maple
Maple!!!!!!
Montmorency
Visor
Visor

Slightly suspicious tier
ColonelLubriderm?
Cuthillius
GeneralHankerchief
Manasi
Maple
Maple
Montmorency
Visor

Can die
dyachei
dyachei
Maple
Visor
Visor

...Actually a fairly accurate representation of where my brain is at/how it works!!!

Ok, GH and Bop kinda look bad from the eod, but reading it as a whole, my hottake on whole mafia team would be: Visor, Monty, Maple, Dya.
I still haves slight doubts about rask and dolby, but the former has solid sod2 and the latter's posts look better on the reread. Monty's posts on the other hand...and his votes on Rask and Csargo were opportunistic.

Vote: Visor

Quantum tier list hype

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Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm

I think it’s a wolfy question from someone reading the game from a villager perspective. Not reading visor villa but reading visor rask as not w/w. It might be possible but it’s painfully clear why people would think it’s not the case

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What?

I mean yes, there was the push on Amy (which I semi-forgot was the same slot while making the post), but yes I do still want to know reads of Visor individual of other slots!!!!

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Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm

Quantum tier list hype

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I love the idea, but I'm not sure how comprehensible that actually was, so... -shrug-

If not, oh well; it was fun to make, anyways!!!!

Might just do it as an internal thing to organize thoughts!!

i truly, truly don't understand putting me in a wolf list with dyachei

considering all ive done is vote and push them and voted them at eod

the fact that both of you wolf read both me and dya is mindboggling

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

@Ara: it s worth mentionning that pretty much all my scum reads from the list I posted yesterday have been upped above the dolby line.

Gh/dya mostly a tonal read for dya and general feel of the gamestate (see Cuths posts)

Manasi because of her reaction yesterday reentering the thread. Not sure what I think about her actually posting contentfull posts or said content specifically

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Hmm, okay!!

Are you just onto Monty now, or ? as in where are you for suspicions and stuff?

Anything in particular you want to discuss?

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Ok, GH and Bop kinda look bad from the eod, but reading it as a whole, my hottake on whole mafia team would be: Visor, Monty, Maple, Dya.
I still haves slight doubts about rask and dolby, but the former has solid sod2 and the latter's posts look better on the reread. Monty's posts on the other hand...and his votes on Rask and Csargo were opportunistic.

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To expand on this a little. I don't think these four are 100% mafia. I have my doubts about other players too, but I feel the most confident about the four and I think that their actions looked the worst during eod.

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Originally Posted by Visor

the fact that both of you wolf read both me and dya is mindboggling

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I mean... you spent a large portion of day 1 pushing Ampharos slot with just the last bit onto dya if I recall correctly, and from a brief skim through the end of your ISO that's mostly it!!

Actually, can someone besides Visor talk to me about this please? Bop, maybe?

Visor, how confident are you in your GH read/how much are you building around this?

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Ok, GH and Bop kinda look bad from the eod, but reading it as a whole, my hottake on whole mafia team would be: Visor, Monty, Maple, Dya.
I still haves slight doubts about rask and dolby, but the former has solid sod2 and the latter's posts look better on the reread. Monty's posts on the other hand...and his votes on Rask and Csargo were opportunistic.

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Aside from Csargo flipping town, how would you say GH looks kinda bad and also Bop?

Pretty sure dya said they were busy that EoD, which is probably a thing regardless of alignment!!!

and even if you think we are wolves

voting me over dya is just bonkers.

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Originally Posted by Visor

i truly, truly don't understand putting me in a wolf list with dyachei

considering all ive done is vote and push them and voted them at eod

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But it wasn't like you were a crusader pushing the wagon forward. You made your vote without a bang (in opposition to your Amy and GH votes) and maybe tried to discourage manasi from following you

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

I mean... you spent a large portion of day 1 pushing Ampharos slot with just the last bit onto dya if I recall correctly, and from a brief skim through the end of your ISO that's mostly it!!

Actually, can someone besides Visor talk to me about this please? Bop, maybe?

Visor, how confident are you in your GH read/how much are you building around this?

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no i spent plenty pushing dya.

i feel reasonably confident.

i havent been able to follow particularly well the last day or so but from the skim i have had i don't see any particular reason to feel otherwise

hally and bop agreeing helps too

Do you really think I want you dead today, Visor?

Also, do you think you'd ever be actually going over today over dya?

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Originally Posted by pzelda

But it wasn't like you were a crusader pushing the wagon forward. You made your vote without a bang (in opposition to your Amy and GH votes) and maybe tried to discourage manasi from following you

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what on earth

i tried to discourage manasi?

what kind of nonsense is this lol

just because i didnt push dya with the same extent that i pushed ampharos (or gh -> but id argue i pushed dya more than i pushed gh!)

means nothing at all. of course i'm not going to. why would i only have one gear?

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Do you really think I want you dead today, Visor?

Also, do you think you'd ever be actually going over today over dya?

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it starts somewhere

and i think you could start something if you wanted to

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Ok, GH and Bop kinda look bad from the eod, but reading it as a whole, my hottake on whole mafia team would be: Visor, Monty, Maple, Dya.
I still haves slight doubts about rask and dolby, but the former has solid sod2 and the latter's posts look better on the reread. Monty's posts on the other hand...and his votes on Rask and Csargo were opportunistic.

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talk to me about this wolf team because i dont see any connection at all between any of the participants

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Aside from Csargo flipping town, how would you say GH looks kinda bad and also Bop?

Pretty sure dya said they were busy that EoD, which is probably a thing regardless of alignment!!!

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GH made rask a competing wagon and then switched to Csargo, when it looked like dya's the lunch.
Bop established Csargo as a leading wagon (third vote). During eod he switched to Rask, but when he noticed that it put Dya in lead, because of other changes, he switched back. Like the way they both danced around the wagon makes them possible dya associates.
But I don't think it's not that damming.

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Originally Posted by Visor

what on earth

i tried to discourage manasi?

what kind of nonsense is this lol

just because i didnt push dya with the same extent that i pushed ampharos (or gh -> but id argue i pushed dya more than i pushed gh!)

means nothing at all. of course i'm not going to. why would i only have one gear?

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maybe it doesn't.

Vote: dyachei

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Originally Posted by Visor

talk to me about this wolf team because i dont see any connection at all between any of the participants

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They're individual eod reads. You can see my reasoning for Maple few posts back. Monty could be the one actually trying to save Dya. His votes suggest it more than GH's or Bop's. You're partially there, because of your low key vote on Dya and that I find your moves to fit scummy patterns. Basically, with your Amy read you put yourself in a difficult position as scum and the way you moved onto GH feels like a logical way to avoid pressure from that previous push. I might be wrong, but I don't think I usually struggle to find you in games at cfc.

Don't worry about the vote itself too much. I probably will end up voting dya, it's just too boring for now and I want to voice my suspicion.

vote: esooa actually for now

See you at EOD or not

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

Final Tally

:skull: 7 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, Hally, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, ColonelLubriderm, Maple)

5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, Dolby)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)

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Tierlisting each of the wagons:

Csargo
Sunbae
Arapocalypse
Hally
ColonelLubriderm
GeneralHankerchief
Montmorency
Maple

dyachei
Ephemeral
Esooa
Manasi

Visor
Raskolnikov
pzelda
Cuthillius/Dolby

Esooa
Csargo
dyachei


Raskolnikov - poisoned

...Yeah, I'm not really sure if that helped either!!! I suppose the Csargo wagon is the one I'm most concerned about reads-wise? I don't mean my reads, but more in the sense of my reads, and in the sense that worldbuilding would be weird; not my strong suit!!

I do vaguely recall me/Sunbae starting the Csargo wagon, independently!!!

Also I'm skipping ISOing for the moment, there's just... a lot of stuff!!

Also, I should say that I operate under an assumption that Rask is town a lot rn. If I'm wrong, Visor's probably good and this town might need a strong leader in Visor/GH later. This is why a possible healer might need to let Rask die regardless of his activity today.

Is there a way to iso on the CFC site?

yo .

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Originally Posted by Ephemeral

in a similar spot as dolby, think she dropped off substantially from ~mid d1

both slots are coasting and it's kinda :stare:

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Sorry, I feel bad that I've not been able to contribute much but nothing has really changed for me based on posts in thread and I've not had the time to reread anything the past bit. Dya has done basically nothing, Manti has done basically nothing, so I'm sorta just waiting for that to change/a flip.

Have anything you want to talk about?

very much hate Visor on this page (60ppp (why isn't there a 50) starts at 1621)

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Originally Posted by Visor

i truly, truly don't understand putting me in a wolf list with dyachei

considering all ive done is vote and push them and voted them at eod

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Originally Posted by Visor

the fact that both of you wolf read both me and dya is mindboggling

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Originally Posted by Visor

and even if you think we are wolves

voting me over dya is just bonkers.

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Originally Posted by Visor

talk to me about this wolf team because i dont see any connection at all between any of the participants

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Originally Posted by Visor

Vote: dyachei

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Originally Posted by Visor

vote: esooa actually for now

See you at EOD or not

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Not quite seeing where to spoiler these quotes but it shouldn't be too bad

anyways, Visors very defensive and tries to push himself as being anti-associated with Dya, saying too that voting him over Dya is bonkers if you think they're possibly w/w. I don't like these points on their own because the defensiveness feels out of place, but particularly because I don't think a vote on Dya is all that clearing if she's wolf. Dya slanked hard enough and was scum read hard enough that you're definitely not going to be going out of your way to defend her as wolf.

But then after all this, Visor votes Dya, who he strongly scum reads, then moves to me instead, on the same page someone pointed out the exact same argument he's giving applies to myself (my vote on Dya)

So I don't really feel like he's fairly reading or really believes his argument, or vote

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Ok, GH and Bop kinda look bad from the eod, but reading it as a whole, my hottake on whole mafia team would be: Visor, Monty, Maple, Dya.
I still haves slight doubts about rask and dolby, but the former has solid sod2 and the latter's posts look better on the reread. Monty's posts on the other hand...and his votes on Rask and Csargo were opportunistic.

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I've like capages recent posting a lot, and this is the team Visor specifically had his !!! response to

and based on individual reads alone, I wouldn't be surprised if these 4 have 3 mafia tbh

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Originally Posted by Visor

i have technically read them but i have no thoughts

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Originally Posted by Visor

wheres your head at bop

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Originally Posted by Visor

dya/gh/dolby/esooa

this is the way

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And with that in mind, rereading the page prior I once again dislike it incredibly

Visor says he's read Dya's posts but has no thoughts which I feel like he probably ought to have some kind of thoughts about; it reminds me a lot of Cuth's point that not committing here is >rand!wolf

Ara, meanwhile, is questioning whether Dya/GH is actually w/w. Bop explains, which I have no problems with, but Visor cheer leading him on, not directly involving himself there, and asking him his thoughts then giving a team COMPLETELY different from where Capage got to feels very icky

Ara is town for raisins but I'm sure I'll figure out if I'm wrong soon enough lol

I'm not sure how to talk about my feelings toward dya without coming off like a dick lol

Theyre almost certainly dying today so I'm not particularly fussed

Someone tried to ask me about my eod at some point

I was pretty explicitly sheeping sunbae, the person I expressed any amount of trust for. Sheeping good players typically gets me pretty good results, sadly not today.

Cuth just feels like he's constantly vomiting spaghetti, it's pretty funny all things considered.

I don't have new feelings about esooa despite their posting this page; I don't really care, its whatever.

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Originally Posted by Esooa

Not quite seeing where to spoiler these quotes but it shouldn't be too bad

anyways, Visors very defensive and tries to push himself as being anti-associated with Dya, saying too that voting him over Dya is bonkers if you think they're possibly w/w. I don't like these points on their own because the defensiveness feels out of place, but particularly because I don't think a vote on Dya is all that clearing if she's wolf. Dya slanked hard enough and was scum read hard enough that you're definitely not going to be going out of your way to defend her as wolf.

But then after all this, Visor votes Dya, who he strongly scum reads, then moves to me instead, on the same page someone pointed out the exact same argument he's giving applies to myself (my vote on Dya)

So I don't really feel like he's fairly reading or really believes his argument, or vote

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Like

Cool

My brain is telling me to do a level 2 sort on this after rask flips

Maybe I will

what if i said i'm coming around to thinking manti's actually villagery all things considered

I think the amount of info we'll have if either dying slot flips w is extremely high, and if both flip v that's okay too.

Thinking it over, if both flip village, I'm looking at:

An eod1 that doesn't matter; a d2 that doesn't matter; something about sunbae dying and being 0/3 if I recall their list correctly

The last point doesn't feel all that likely actually, but we'll see

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Originally Posted by Ephemeral

what if i said i'm coming around to thinking manti's actually villagery all things considered

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I imagine you'd end the day voting dyachei

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Originally Posted by Ephemeral

what if i said i'm coming around to thinking manti's actually villagery all things considered

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whys that

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Originally Posted by Maple

I imagine you'd end the day voting dyachei

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I cant remember who/what I was tying bop to

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Originally Posted by Esooa

whys that

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In short the way he's interacting with people is pretty different from how he tends to operate as a wolf

His pushes are pretty whatever but they don't have the same obvious agenda feeling they had in rocks

Is it out of range? arguably not, but it's not nearly as bad as I initially thought

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Originally Posted by Ephemeral

what if i said i'm coming around to thinking manti's actually villagery all things considered

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I would say it's a villagery feeling. I think he will need to do something more obvious to change my mind.