I think pro town should reinvestigate their N1 investigations.
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I think pro town should reinvestigate their N1 investigations.
Interesting idea. Possibly, but hopefully not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Vote pending pro-town consensus.
I wonder too..Quote:
Are the organised pro-town players 100 % sure that there isn't a mole in the organisation?
btw, why aren't any kill attempts made on Ef/Banan/TinCow/Pevergreen, if they're all so protown? :dizzy2:
I think The Mafia didn't hit TinCow or the doctors because they assumed that they would be protected, thus searching for easier targets. That's what I would have done at least. :shrug:
If the mafia has a spy in the townies network, then they perfectly know who is going to be protected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
If the pro-town network decided not to protect one of the supposed power roles (EF,BananaBob, pever and TC) and said power role was not attacked, then that person needs to be put on serious pressure.
There are only two doctors, they can't protect everyone at once.
Which of the "power roles" were not protected last night?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rythmic
Names will do, no need to tell us their specific roles.
Also, are there "innocent townies" where a detective got an ambiguous result?
The detectives really need to re-read their investigation results very closely.
I agree with the above, my sources indicate some may be "inaccurate".
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I don't see how revealing that will help the town, it'll only help the Mafia (who I'm itching to lynch), as if they can't establish a protection pattern they'll have nothing to go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Does this imply that you have acces to the pro-town network?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rythmic
Why not reaching the consensus in the public thread? If the network has been infiltrated, then there's not much point in keeping the discussion "private", is there?
For starters, why were you allowed acces to the network? Are you a townie discovered innocent after investigation (which would imply that we have more then 4 power roles, IIRC, the 4 who already claimed their role, didn't claim detective) or are you power role number 5?
Were those inaccurates granted acces?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rythmic
Did the self claimed pro-town roles get investigated? Any "inaccurate" results on TC, pever, BananaBob or EF?
You answered your own question. I prefer messenger boy. ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Andres
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No. None of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Most of that is already previously explained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Hey, I'm already 30 years old and thus senile by definition!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rythmic
Refresh my memory, you young whippersnapper :whip:
~;p
I agree that there is a mole in the townie group, and I believe it is pevergreen. There are way, way too many problems with last night's events to make it all coincidence. I've got to go to work in a few minutes, but I'll post all the details when I get there. In summary, I will simply say that pevergreen needs to be lynched immediately, because he may have just gained a new power. If he is mafia, we do not want to see what that power can do. Also Makanyane is mafia. I think the town should allow me to kill her tonight. The plan was originally to lynch her today, but pevergreen's betrayal makes me think he should take priority on the lynch to prevent him from using his new power. I'll post in more detail when I get to work.
vote: pevergreen
The concensus was reached. TinCow's post above mirror's my reasoning. Way to much wrong with last night's events, especially the death of Andres.
Vote: pevergreen
Also waiting on a response from my sources.
Edit: FoS: Makanyane
Yes, something was not right last night other then my demise. :thumbsdown:
I'd like to take this moment to just remind everyone that THE DEAD MAY NOT COMMUNICATE OUTSIDE OF THIS THREAD. PLEASE DO NOT SEND THEM PM'S.
That is all.
Maybe you should add the rule: "Alive players are not allowed to send pm's to the dead.", to avoid any misunderstandings or difficult situations for a dead player.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikhaan
Vote: pevergreen
For a combination of my own previously mentioned reasons, and those specified by others.
Great, so apparently mentioning that there are too many pro-town roles to be believable in this gets you killed. Me and Andres were the most sceptical when they started popping up, Andres is now dead, and I'm apparently next on the hit list - after TinCow took a whole one night off from killing.....
I suppose there is still some vague chance someone is just feeding TC wrong info, so
vote:abstain
for now.
As all claimed pro-town roles and their buddies seem to be deep in private conversation somewhere I guess they can figure out who's what between themselves. I don't have any idea left at the moment.
If the "pro-town" group got infiltrated, then I see not much point of keeping the discussion private.
You are only excluding other townies at the moment, the mafia already knows what you were/are discussing.
It is only a suspicion, not at all a certainty. If the pro-town was not infiltrated, giving this link to the public would then surely give the mafia this information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
I say keep it all under wraps... and I do hope the pro-town group have detective results on pever and Makanyane.
Vote: pevergreen
Tally:
pevergreen: 5 (Sigurd, TinCow, Rythmic, Omanes, GH)
Sarathos: 1 (pevergreen)
Abstain: 1 (Makanyane)
I think this is the right tally, anyway.
Did you get acces to the townie network?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Any word from your Necromancer?
NOPE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
YEP.Quote:
Any word from your Necromancer?
Does your Necromancer have acces to the townie network?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Ok, here’s the deal. Northnovas was the The Great Djinn. He was the role blocker and the person I came in contact with early on. Northnovas contacted Rythmic early on based on his good analysis in the public thread. It was a risk, but one he thought worth taking. This allowed us to contact him during D3, when my neck was on the line. At some point in that day’s discussion, pevergreen was included in it. I think Northnovas was the one who first contacted him, but I can’t remember for sure. I’ll look back through my PMs if you think it is important.
In any case, a quicktopic forum was set up to all NN, Rythmic, pever, and myself to communicate. I came clean in that forum with everything I knew at the time. pever claimed to be a mafia mole. As information came out, he claimed to be the #2 Voter killer, but said that was a ruse he made up to convince the mafia of his sincerity and that he could kill anyone he wanted. He claimed that after a certain number of kills, he would get the identities of all the mafia members. Given the nature of my own role, I was inclined to believe this at the time.
However, pever’s story started breaking down quickly. At first he said his role prevented him from giving us any mafia names until he got more kills. Then he suddenly told us that NN should block Makanyane, who was mafia. NN did so on N3 and got a confirmed success, showing that Mak was indeed active at night. pever told us that she had attacked Andres and that she was very annoyed that she got blocked. That night pever attacked BananaBob, who was the #2 vote recipient.
So, last night we concluded that pever’s situation was becoming untenable. The #2 voter thing was obvious to the town and the #2 voter would always be protected by a doctor. That meant he would never reach his required kills for his mafia reveal through #2 voter kills. So, we encouraged pever to give up the game and attack Mak last night, because we thought we had enough pro-town assets to win through normal methods. pever said his role prevented him from attacking Mak and that he would be WoGed if he did so. By this point, we had a nice list which showed our thoughts on who was guilty and who was innocent. The only confirmed guilty we had was Mak, but Sarathos was a high probability guilty. So, pever himself said that he would kill Sarathos.
As we all know, that did not happen and he instead killed Andres, who was on our confirmed innocent list. During the same night, Northnovas (role blocker) was killed, along with FactionHeir, who we had recently discovered was a Detective. This cannot be a coincidence. pevergreen lied about his target, switched his target from probably guilty to confirmed innocent, at the same time as two confirmed pro-town roles were hit by the mafia. At the same time, neither of the doctors were attacked. We had concluded that it was most important for the doctors to protect each other, since their identities were known. It was assumed that the mafia would expect pever to attack me (#2 votes) and that one of the doctors would thus protect me. Any sane mafia player would thus have wanted both doctors attacked last night, because it would guarantee the death of one and make the other completely vulnerable for the next night. Since we knew pever would not be attacking me, the doctors were free to protect each other from the expected mafia attack. The fact that neither doctor was hit, and instead two other pro-town roles were killed, implies that the mafia knew exactly who would be protected and who wouldn’t.
At the same time, pevergreen has been constantly talking about how he needs a certain number of kills to get a new ability. His statements have been a bit vague, but it is either 3 or 4 kills. I think last night’s kill of Andres was his third. If he needed 3 kills to get his new ability, he now has it. Thus, we need to lynch pevergreen immediately to prevent him from using any ability he might have gained last night.
Also, I am not positive, but I am inclined to believe that Mak really is mafia. Either pever gave us true information to allow us to believe him, or he is an independent operator (serial killer?) and didn't care if we knew. In any case, Mak really did attempt a night action and was successfully blocked by NN. Unless she has a really, really good pro-town explanation, I think we should conclude that she is mafia and I request to be allowed to kill her tonight.
It all adds up.
Vote: pevergreen
And next night, the liar Makanyane. :2thumbsup:
BTW TinCow, why did/do you consider Sarathos a high-probability scum?
Reveal Time:
Greetings, I am Lucifer the Deceiver.
You are currently one of the God's most beautiful and powerful angels, yet you are also very ambitious as well.
I've been sent with "mafia members names" to blah blah blah (kill everyone to win)
However, you have an additional path layed before you.
I can go rogue. After 3 kills, I am one step closer to becoming the right hand man of Kamikhaan. however, if i do, new rules:
I must not reveal the names of the mafia,
I may also not attempt to kill any of your former mafia mates as well
Not until there would be 8 or fewer players left would I be allowed to attack or reveal them.
The choice is mine...
Up until now my mafia friends have been thinking that I have been off using some ficticious special ability which allows me to flip the results of investigations. However, as I am beautiful, I do rather enjoy my scythe.
I have stayed completely within the guidelines, I havent said anyone is mafia, I merely said I thought x person should be blocked, or y person should be killed.
There are more mafia than you think. Quite a few left...
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So, we encouraged pever to give up the game and attack Mak last night, because we thought we had enough pro-town assets to win through normal methods. pever said his role prevented him from attacking Mak and that he would be WoGed if he did so. By this point, we had a nice list which showed our thoughts on who was guilty and who was innocent. The only confirmed guilty we had was Mak, but Sarathos was a high probability guilty. So, pever himself said that he would kill Sarathos.
General gist of my post was:
I cannot attack Mak. I cannot reveal why. It is against my role to do so, if i did, i would be instantly WOGGED.
Tomorrow night i will kill Sarathos.
So yeah.
One thing I am certain of now, is that Kamikhaan has confirmed I may be voted for and killed by my mafia team mates. And i cant do anything against it yet.
Thats my role.
vote: pevergreen
It was useless to kill Andres man... you lost my trust.
FoS:Makayane