Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia [Concluded]

Alright Beefy's response seems reasonable.

Unvote : Beefy

Vote: Kukrikhan, what'cha got to say for yourself?

Oi, that's my phrase I used in the Lawyer game.
And yes, I confess to having changed my style. Happy? :grin:

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Originally Posted by Rythmic

Alright Beefy's response seems reasonable.

Unvote : Beefy

Vote: Kukrikhan, what'cha got to say for yourself?

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I say: I am a townie. I have a personal interest in anything having to do with puzzles, codes, word-problems, steganography - it's a hobby of mine. Some of the older backroom posters/readers will remember that little tidbit about me.

Tuesday was a mid-week day-off work for me; I planned to help TosaInu with the forum upgrade, but he declined, saying he'd pretty much finished up already, so I spent the day here instead, playing with GH's 'clues' - to little avail, it turned out, so I eased off that angle.

I disagree with the strategy of waiting to eliminate lurkers in mid-to-end game. They do not help the town, and serve only to complicate their search for bad-guys. If not WoG'd, they often pop up at end-game as mafia, with: "Ha-ha! All I had to do is out-wait you guys!". We're in what, Day 4 now? Meaning the game has gone for a week. Anyone who signed up, yet hasn't posted is highly suspicious to me - moreso than any active poster here. The only active (sort of) poster who seems to be acting uncharacteristically to me is Sasaki Kojiro; I've never seen him post so infrequently, nor have such a blase' accounting for his absence. Heat wave?

vote: Sasaki Kojiro

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Oh, and of course apologize to me after the game because you lynched a townie. I want to see that :yes:

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I do the best I can with the information I have at the time. Since we very rarely have actual evidence to work with, all we can do is guess. But guessing is better than doing nothing.

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Originally Posted by Andres

Oh yeah, feel free to ignore the actual case :shame:

Got a hidden agenda, Mister "Let's get myself lynched round 1" ?

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I have no hidden agenda.

I'm not ignoring Kukri. It's just that a couple other people are looking more suspicious to me at the moment. It's just my opinion. I say focus on FH and TC now. Look at Kukri, Khaan, and Sarathos later. Way down the list, look at the meatballers/abstainers/lurkers.

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Originally Posted by KukriKhan

I disagree with the strategy of waiting to eliminate lurkers in mid-to-end game. They do not help the town, and serve only to complicate their search for bad-guys. If not WoG'd, they often pop up at end-game as mafia, with: "Ha-ha! All I had to do is out-wait you guys!". We're in what, Day 4 now? Meaning the game has gone for a week. Anyone who signed up, yet hasn't posted is highly suspicious to me - moreso than any active poster here. The only active (sort of) poster who seems to be acting uncharacteristically to me is Sasaki Kojiro; I've never seen him post so infrequently, nor have such a blase' accounting for his absence. Heat wave?

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Eliminating lurkers early basically gives the mafia a pass. Because all they have to do then is post once or twice a day turn. Leave the lurkers alone until the WoG's happen. Then go after who has not been WoG'd.

As for Sasaki, I do not think he is mafia. In Taormina, where he was mafia, he was very active. In starwars, where he was power-town, he was active. My guess he is a townie who is busy in real life.

Of course, if I'm wrong I'll be kicking myself when the game is over but that is where I stand on him at the moment.

Unvote:FactionHeir Since I am not mafia and i accused him of jumping on a non-existant bandwagon, i have to retract my vote.

Now it seems that people want Tincow to die, and I cant see why? IS it because i have only read pages 20 onwards??

Sasaki should die tho...

Joe

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Originally Posted by Joe Monks

Now it seems that people want Tincow to die, and I cant see why? IS it because i have only read pages 20 onwards??

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From my perspective, it's my reputation combined with decreased input on my part. People are wary of me due to the last two games I was in, and as such they are looking a lot more carefully at what I'm saying. It seems to be the same exact reason people are going after Sasaki. Ironically, the only time I've been lynched in my three games was when I was a townie.

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Originally Posted by Andres

Interesting post :inquisitive:

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See? That's what I've been talking about.

I will Unvote: Kage as I am satisfied with his explainations...

I currently do not know who to vote for, so I will come back and vote a bit later, after a bit more discussion.

Can you tell us why you put 'I am not mafia' in every post, JM? As well as not contributing anything else?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

See? That's what I've been talking about.

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Well, Tinc's posting activity level, as well as the last post preceding this one, seem smooth and in character. The one that Andres twigged on, and which you now use as evidence, does seem a bit "off."

Kukri's style is totally normal, but his activity level is hugely up.

FH is posting with a frequency that says "townie" for him, but with a flippancy that does not.

'Kev seems helpful and pointed, but is risking de-oxygenating the discussion. As you know, Sasaki, scads of posts can be used as an intimidation tool to minimized effective interaction just as readily as to promote it.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

'Kev seems helpful and pointed, but is risking de-oxygenating the discussion. As you know, Sasaki, scads of posts can be used as an intimidation tool to minimized effective interaction just as readily as to promote it.

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Other people need to post more... :brood:

I'm curious what people find strange about that post I made. Was it the first part where I was simply applying my usual occam's razor formula to a WIFOM situation, or is it the second part where I was making a joke?

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I'm curious what people find strange about that post I made. Was it the first part where I was simply applying my usual occam's razor formula to a WIFOM situation, or is it the second part where I was making a joke?

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I thought you were serious with the second part. Humor does not come across well over the medium of text. Therefore, I thought you were really suggesting we vote for a meatballer when we seem to have better suspects at the moment. To me, Ichigo is one of those people we lynch later if we can't find someone else better to lynch.

If I was really suggesting that we vote for him, I would have changed my vote.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

If I was really suggesting that we vote for him, I would have changed my vote.

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I admit I am not keeping track of the tallies. It's one of the perks of being dead. :beam:

Anyone remember what time I said I would close voting? I know the round was extended, but can't remember for how long.

Apologies, I'm running on about 2 hours of sleep at the moment. Schedule is a lot less busy now however.

Your post which started the day phase was posted on 06-10-2008 at 21:24 EST. So, if you were giving us a 24 hour window, it expired about 19 hours ago. I don't recall seeing you say anything about extending today's vote. If you were giving us 24 hours from the time the full write-up was posted, that would correspond to 5pm EST today, which is in about 30 minutes.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

or is it the second part where I was making a joke?

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I call BS on this.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I call BS on this.

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So you think that I'm not only a mafioso, but that I actively tried to divert votes towards Ichigo, rather than FH, at a point when it was becoming obvious that either FH or I was going to be lynched? I'm slightly insulted that you think I would do something that dumb.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

So you think that I'm not only a mafioso, but that I actively tried to divert votes towards Ichigo, rather than FH, at a point when it was becoming obvious that either FH or I was going to be lynched? I'm slightly insulted that you think I would do something that dumb.

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No, I think you waffled on whether Ichigo was a good lynch and claimed you were joking when pressed on it.

Voting over.

Stand by for the execution.

We have a tie vote between FactionHeir and TinCow. Here's how things are going to go down:

All votes are wiped. The voting round will start again.
All votes must be for either FH or TinCow (or abstain of course).

You have 24 hours, at which time the person with the most votes will be lynched. WoGs will happen at the end of the tiebreaker round.

Day 4 tally:
FactionHeir: 3 (TinCow, makaikhaan, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
TinCow: 3 (Sasaki Kojiro, Beefy187, FactionHeir)
makaikhaan: 1 (Ichigo)*
Kommodus: 1 (Sigurd Fafnesbane)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (KukriKhan)
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Kommodus)
KukriKhan: 1 (Rythmic)
Sarathos: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)
Caius: 1 (Sarathos)*

*Sarathos's vote for khaan is void because he forgot to unvote Caius.

Abstained: 4 (shlin28, CountArach, Kagemusha, Joe Monks)
Didn't vote: Everyone else.

I found it interesting that in Ichigo's meatballing, he took off his vote for TC in time to have me be voted leader until Joe Monks returned the tally to a tie shortly before the end of the voting period. I say there may be some connection there.

vote: TinCow obvious choice for me, but feel free to discuss.

Vote: FactionHeir, more suspicious than Tincow imo.

Edit: You think there may be a connection between Ichigo and Joe Monks? Seriously or are you just trying to draw attention away from yourself?

I'm saying there is one between TC and Ichigo. Please do read my posts.

And as per nature of mafia games, whatever you do or say can (or rather will) be used against you.
Hypothetically:

I vote TinCow and argue that he is more mafia than I am: I am suspicious because I am distracting away from myself and voting the other tied guy.
I vote myself as proof of innocence: Can be construed as mafia tactic.
I don't vote at all: Trying to sit out until the last minute to make a deciding vote

Personally, I don't care if you vote me or not, but obviously anything I do or say (or for that matter TC does or says) won't change anything, because people will read things their own way and have their own ideas.

Sorry, its early in the morning I'm still not awake.

I'll admit its possible. And I understand that you are in a difficult position.

That said I still believe that you are a more likely mafioso and thus my vote stays.

I'm willing to discuss your belief in my guilt.
What in your mind makes me a likely mafioso? Have I voted in a suspicious manner or changed 360 at some point or refused to vote someone? Or is it just that I act differently from before though in my mind not actually saying anything directly incriminating?

If you give me a minute to present my case, I shall do. (IE: go back and find the reason that Ivoted for you in the first place.)

As I have been saying all along, I don't have any strong evidence, its more a vibe. The reason I voted for you yesterday (my time), is, as I said at the time, because I was going out and wouldn't be back and active until the vote was concluded. And here I am!

As such I didn't want to be a useless townie and vote abstain (which we all know doesn't help the town), so I went with the name that was top of my suspect list... you.

There was also the fact that Seamus's analysis of posting styles had just been posted. Your posts indicated that you were worthy of some pressure.

I think that the key thing here is that you have automatically assumed that I am adamant that you are mafia. I challenge you to find one instance in this thread where I have stated this. My line the whole time has been that you are worthy of suspicion, in the lack of any other better candidates I will vote FH etc. etc...

It is unfortunate that you have been placed in this position where anything you do or say makes you seem more guilty, but I stand by my assertation that at this moment in time you are more worthy of a lynch that Tincow.

I will go search out my original reasons for finding you suspicious, and will look into Tincow as well to see if there is something that I have missed. But for now my vote stays.

I say both are acting funny. Don't let the person who survives this off the hook.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

No, I think you waffled on whether Ichigo was a good lynch and claimed you were joking when pressed on it.

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Are we reading the same post? This is what I am reading:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Ichigo's meatballing is annoying and nonsensical, but it's so bound to attract attention that I think it's unlikely to be mafioso behavior. Too easy to get lynched with that kind of voting, he would be more careful. Then again, he may be a worthy lynch just because it's irritating.

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On one side, I am saying that Ichigo is not a good lynch because his behavior is too reckless to be mafioso. On the other side, I am saying that we might want to get rid of him because his voting style is annoying. The first poses an actual argument and substantiates it with reasoning. The second is just flippant. Is that really so hard to see?