Music Mafia [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

There's going to be something wrong with this theory, because I don't really remember Enya as being a big superstar. Perhaps I am mistaken. And yet I have Good popularity and Good Favor as well.

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Well I wasn't going to bring up Enya, since CH did vote for you earlier today for a cruddy reason (and you not being a huge advocate of scum-on-scum bussing usually), and for less-defensible gut-feeling reasons. But I don't know. If you are good/good, all I can think is maybe DE's going on that sort of enduring low-level popularity that Enya seems to have (always on movie soundtracks, sells a lot of records to the more mature crowd, etc), as compared to Phil Collins, who was hugely popular at one time but has since sunk entirely into the abyss.

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Also, don't you think the game would be broken if everyone could just mass reveal and folks could suggest they're guilty based on being unpopular somehow?

That said, I guess it is possible.

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What is "it"?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Why would anyone be concerned about changing their votes?

I had a theory for a little while that Believer and Split were mafia together, and that's why Believer was so reluctant to vote for Split.

If Split is neutral, that's a mistaken theory.

I am interested in Captain Blackadder as Classical_Hero's possible partner. Or, Believer; possible perfect info going on.

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If you want a loony theory, how about split believing he was going down, and getting a little mutual bussing going on, only to have it unexpectedly lynch the other guy.

I'm not certain about Believer, but didn't you say he was insisting on wanting to vote for CH before you talked him into voting Split?

I double checked Enya's wikipedia, and apparently she's still the number 2 artist in Ireland, did Lord of the Rings stuff around 2007, released a new album in 2008, and did a compilation in 2009, and she's sold more albums than I thought she might have.

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What is it?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5RjU7n277c

This is.

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Originally Posted by Renata

I'm not certain about Believer, but didn't you say he was insisting on wanting to vote for CH before you talked him into voting Split?

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Fixed teh link.

I wouldn't go as far as to say "insisting".

Also, I wouldn't exactly go as far as to say that clears him. Having suspicion and voting someone is one thing, but being absolutely sure based on nothing is actually more indicative of knowing for a fact they are scum. Which leads to detective (he didn't claim such) or scum.

I'll double check my chats with him. I just am cautious about drawing conclusions because as you and I both know, Renata, scum are usually involved in bringing down other scum. Either by bussing, or bandwagoning when it is too late.

Possible given the time frame they did not.

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Believer Notice how CH hasn't posted anything this round, except his vote for you.
Askthepizzaguy Oh yes. Typical of CH
Believer It is?
Askthepizzaguy Classical_hero is a classical lurker
Believer Even when town?
Askthepizzaguy yep
Believer Oh okay, no worries then
Askthepizzaguy still worry because that doesnt clear him either

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Sounds like genuine suspicion. He didn't really insist on C_H, he just didn't think Split was guilty I guess.

For me, I was away during the entire exchange (sleeping) and I left my vote on Split because he's an admitted neutral at best. That means he's one less person the mafia have to murder to win, and potentially, one more vote for them. And he didn't claim any awesome pro-town Neutral powers that could assist us.

I cannot believe I didn't OMGUS vote classical_hero, after many, many, many games in a row where that turned out to be winning.

I'd like to double check my own chats from today (timing and such), but I probably won't have time. At the moment my instinct says not to go to Believer first but rather to look at those who didn't do anything during that time frame. I'm interested to hear more of your characterization of your chat with Believer yesterday, though.

Edit -- OK.

Neutrals are a potential problem, and not one I'm sure what to do about at this point.

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Originally Posted by TheLastDays

EDIT: I'm not Shania Twain and also would you have guessed phil collins as Bad popularity?

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Yeah, it makes sense... everyone hates the guy for some reason that I've never actually understood. You could say I'm in the land of confusion, in that respect. :laugh4:

Not insisting, eh?


ATPG: I think it is YOU AND SPLIT
Believer: Haha, of course you do
ATPG: You don’t want your splitty buddy to die
ATPG: Kill him now
ATPG: prove he’s not your friend
Believer: I have never talked directly to the guy, I don't know who he is. When you're as dirt as me, you have friends everywhere
Believer: dirty*
ATPG: You denied even knowing him
ATPG: Are you scarid
Believer: I do
Believer: I am always scared of master.
ATPG Kill Split
Believer: But master :(
ATPG: DO IT
Believer: Yes master :(

Red is for ATPG, any other interpretation is completely on your end.
Blue is for me. Innocence, purity and love.

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Originally Posted by Renata

I'd like to double check my own chats from today (timing and such), but I probably won't have time. At the moment my instinct says not to go to Believer first but rather to look at those who didn't do anything during that time frame. I'm interested to hear more of your characterization of your chat with Believer yesterday, though.

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Overtly sexual and inappropriate for human consumption. It would make your eyeballs bleed.

I spent most of the time pressuring him and accusing him of being mafia with Split or possibly Robbiecon. He took it rather well, and had an excellent sense of humor about it. I eventually decided he wasn't guilty.

Then when he completely bungled the tally, I was certain he wasn't mafia. Which reminds me, why would I think he's mafia now. Hmm.

I guess for being correct on Classical_hero before most everyone else. It's a possible tell; although I have to admit it's more common from townies, especially since he backed it up with votes and didn't switch away from it on his own.

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Originally Posted by Believer

Not insisting, eh?

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No, I was very insistent. You were not.

Thank goodness you're only quoting the parts of our conversation that are possible to reprint on the .org.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

No, I was very insistent. You were not.

Thank goodness you're only quoting the parts of our conversation that are possible to reprint on the .org.

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I had a raging....

... interest, in re-reading our conversation. You're far from clean in my eyes, Mr. Devious.

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Originally Posted by Believer

I had a raging....

... interest, in re-reading our conversation. You're far from clean in my eyes, Mr. Devious.

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I'm a dirty, dirty boy.

Or, in this case, girl. Though I'm far more comfortable in the former role.

ATPG -- Where did Believer vote CH, before now?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053325064

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Originally Posted by Renata

Edit -- OK.

Neutrals are a potential problem, and not one I'm sure what to do about at this point.

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Being the one claimed Neutral thusfar I'd like to hear out your concerns, what exact problem is there potential for?

Neutral role issues --

Option 1: Victory conditions and/or capabilities. Autolycus seems to have been a serial killer sort, for example.
Option 2: Being alive at a point where siding with the mafia might make more sense than siding with us.
Option 3: Lying about being neutral at all.



Thanks, Csargo.

True enough, but you need to take into account secondary goals and flourishes.

Some people might be more interested in attempting to secure a total victory rather than just the simple one for a main VC.

If you look at Autolycus, he was neutral favor and neutral pop.

His Secondary VC probably had something to do with this SK-ness, and his flourish was probably something even stranger.

With Neutrals I don't think it is as black and white as selling the town out.

edit.
Despite this reasoning I do understand your problems, I'd just like to say I'm more willing to work with the town that you might give me credit for. Other neutrals I cannot speak for however :bow:

Oh well. had the day not gone on longer I would not have had any suspicion on me. I do have a message for you, but I need to run it by the host first. Things are just going to get fun from here, I can tell you that. :grin:

You had my suspicion from Day 2 :P or was it 3? Whenever the Visor-wagon occured...

I've also noted that in games with recruitment, neutrals are typically recruitable.

Basically, Split has to die any round we don't have a better suspect.

Are you saying that this is a conversion game?

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Originally Posted by Visorslash

Are you saying that this is a conversion game?

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I haven't ruled it out. We already know of two neutrals, and there's also others out there with neutral tendencies. Large number of neutrals + serial killer tells me this could be a cult game.

I don't know what purpose neutrals would serve otherwise.

Telling neutrals that you're going to kill them when, essentially, you get the spare time to, isn't going to leave that great an impression on any who would like to come out as neutral :smile:

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Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty

Telling neutrals that you're going to kill them when, essentially, you get the spare time to, isn't going to leave that great an impression on any who would like to come out as neutral :smile:

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I don't want you guys to come out as neutral. I'd prefer it if the mafia accidentally murder you.

I'll vote to kill the next person who claims neutral.

Well we have to wait for the Mafia anyway now... but after CH is gone I'm a little clueless now, will have to look at the thread in more detail but I'm at work right now so I don't have that much time...

There's too many that have been acting a bit suspicious when there might be only one Mafia left... ATPG, Secura, Believer, myself... there's a bunch of people worth voting for

Yes, I agree with you that you've been acting suspicious. :laugh4:

I figured as much :P
it makes you even more suspicious though...

I think it is suspicious that you find yourself suspicious and then find me suspicious for finding you suspicious for finding yourself suspicious. That's very suspicious.

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It is...

HAHA, I'm having fun :D