Futuramafia [Concluded]

Keeping in mind that I want to start the day by following up on one of my reads from last night, I don't like the present conversation between Monty and Stork. I don't really understand why anyone's speculating on the kill and Crimson's role in it until he shows up to comment himself. The stork-Monty interaction right now specifically seems to hit on the same thing that was bugging me about Monty yesterday, that being his generality. It feels like he drifts from commenting on the current situation into more general talk about town strategy. Stork's a participant too I guess, but Stork also fairly consistently makes specific reads with some degree of commitment and I feel like with Monty there's a lot of commentary without committing to anything.

So I'll Vote: Montyto start and check back in the morning to see what's going on.

I can't have commitment to specifics without something to believe in.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

No. You know the saying "two birds with one stone?" If there's valuable information to be obtained from flips, then you force a secondary flip through your vig and then lynch the primary candidate who's lined up anyway. This strategy is the most appropriate, all the more so when it's the first night.

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I disagree, but it's a distraction anyway as Pelican points out. I will say though that El Barto was by no means lined up for a lynch. Him flipping VT as the only death is a great N1 result for town.

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Originally Posted by Pelican

Keeping in mind that I want to start the day by following up on one of my reads from last night, I don't like the present conversation between Monty and Stork. I don't really understand why anyone's speculating on the kill and Crimson's role in it until he shows up to comment himself. The stork-Monty interaction right now specifically seems to hit on the same thing that was bugging me about Monty yesterday, that being his generality. It feels like he drifts from commenting on the current situation into more general talk about town strategy. Stork's a participant too I guess, but Stork also fairly consistently makes specific reads with some degree of commitment and I feel like with Monty there's a lot of commentary without committing to anything.

So I'll Vote: Montyto start and check back in the morning to see what's going on.

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Very good. I'll lend you my vote. Vote: Montmorency.
Don't like BSmith eiher.
Dp101 is all over the place now. Too wrong to be scum? Cuthilius and the one who agreed wholeheartedly, what is your tone read of Dp101 now?

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Very good. I'll lend you my vote. Vote: Montmorency.
Don't like BSmith eiher.
Dp101 is all over the place now./QUOTE]

Agree with all this, Vote: Montmorency because of his unwillingness to get stuck in the discussion and take/make a stand. Your appraisal of me as all over the place is pretty much how I feel about my own play right now.

Oh god, I screwed up the tags. Should be obvious when they end though.

DP is still lock town in my books and shall continue to be.

I think Stork is a bit wolfish for "dp and bsmith likely wolves then"

a bit more shade than necessary

visor could be scum

i don't like his behavior before eod

Vote:Stork

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Not exactly, but let's wait to hear the news.

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I dinna kill no one

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Originally Posted by Pelican

Keeping in mind that I want to start the day by following up on one of my reads from last night, I don't like the present conversation between Monty and Stork. I don't really understand why anyone's speculating on the kill and Crimson's role in it until he shows up to comment himself.

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because maybe they are wolves spewing forth shade on top of me? (or 3p)

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Originally Posted by Riedquat

Why frame instead of kill him? O.o

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because vig's usually kill lots of villas probably esp day one

maybe my scum reads were totally offtrack day one
i was scumreading elbarto a lot yesterday tho...but then they (i guess) killed him.

which makes me scratch my head. if they left me alive cause they expected me to kill him they probably wouldn't kill him themselves.
so maybe they thought i'd kill someone else instead.

also ya know...they could kill a vig...or maybe they didn't believe me or even if they believed me...they might have gone seer hunting.

why is el barto talking?

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Originally Posted by BSmith

vote: CrimsonFox . He had tons to say during day but nada when he could have proven his claim? I still don't trust his claim. Did you kill Barto? If so, why and what happened to the mafia kill?

One kill means something isnt adding up here.

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you tilt me so much with your hypocritical bullshit

you weren't even here during lynchtime

this is dedicated to you
[Drawing the line here - GH]][/SPOIL]

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

why is el barto talking?

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so that's his power....talk while dead?

hahahaha prefect for him! Now he can RP without suspicion! :)

and i kinda figured you would never RP as bender AS BENDER...but being flexo is so perfect hehe

So we have a town vig who decided not to shoot (which is the only way to prove his claim).
And the scum team decided to kill El barto instead in order to frame him?

Is that where we are going

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

you tilt me so much with your hypocritical bullshit

you weren't even here during lynchtime

this is dedicated to you

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsMcdEswK8k

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this kinda reaction is kinda bonkers when he has a completely valid point

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

As BSmith hinted anyway during the night, the Mafia could skip a kill to try framing Crimson. Straightforward enough. But why would Crimson kill Bart? Seems like a waste...

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I do not believe for one second that mafia would skip a kill on purpose unless it was to do something else like convert. Convert is the ONLY reason not to kill IMHO

It wasn't me that killed barto. Likely wolves . Yes odd kill but maybe they thought he was seer or something.
If it wasn't mafia kill then it was someone else (3p sk?)

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Originally Posted by BSmith

True, assuming that there is a village vig. It also assumes there is no mechanism the scum have to prevent a night kill. Normal scum teams won’t generally have this, but this is a Zack game. Roles also have “solid cover PMs where appropriate” so this could be a claim of a cover role, and not his actual role.

What would be helpful to all this is if @CrimsonFox is able to be online at the update time. He should post who he sent orders to kill immediately before the deadline. This way we can verify who his target was and see how that translates in the write-up, yet not give any time for others to react to the identification of his target before orders lock. This is the only way I can think of that he can prove his claim – and that would likely only be to prove that he has a killing ability, not necessarily that he is town aligned.

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This post too pisses me off. No...you are not allowed to tell me when to be here and then decide I am a wolf when i don't follow your bullshit orders. You were not here yesterday at lynchtime....why not?
real life?

gee welcome to the damn club

anyone wanna guess why i didn't shoot?

may or may not tell you if you are right

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Originally Posted by Visor

im just clickin buttons friends

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so even you don't believe your reads? :)

quit playing games and spit it out

there is only a limited amount of time in the day and you being coy with information is only going to worsen things

Did you shoot? Yes/no?
If so, who did you shoot at?

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Just realised I forgot a couple, Crimson is town and Mont is null.

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dp did you make a giant reads post that i missed?
i thank thee for the town read, but this seems like an afterthought to something else. Hope you aren't trying to pocket me but i gotta sort of towny read on you

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I dinna kill no one

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the first post i made answered your damn question

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

dp did you make a giant reads post that i missed?
i thank thee for the town read, but this seems like an afterthought to something else. Hope you aren't trying to pocket me but i gotta sort of towny read on you

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I did, yes. It was a big blob posted ~half an hour before deadline.

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Originally Posted by Visor

quit playing games and spit it out

there is only a limited amount of time in the day and you being coy with information is only going to worsen things

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seriously are you NOT reading ANY of my posts? super wolfy there

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Originally Posted by Visor

So we have a town vig who decided not to shoot (which is the only way to prove his claim).
And the scum team decided to kill El barto instead in order to frame him?

Is that where we are going

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wait a sec...you DID read my posts...you just SAID you know I didn't shoot.....then you bitch at me after this post for not telling you whether I shot or not?

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Originally Posted by Dp101

I did, yes. It was a big blob posted ~half an hour before deadline.

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k will go find it. didn't see it on nearby page. thanks

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

the first post i made answered your damn question so FU

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Sorry, I think he was asking whether or not you deliberately held your shot or were blocked in some way. As I understand it, you didn't shoot, right?

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Originally Posted by Visor

you guys could just lynch spaceman with me

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okay visor....what about spaceman did YOU see so lynchable

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Sorry, I think he was asking whether or not you deliberately held your shot or were blocked in some way. As I understand it, you didn't shoot, right?

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correct

still looking for your big blob.