First round of Diet speechifying goes to the Order, although we haven't begun to hear from most of the players.
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First round of Diet speechifying goes to the Order, although we haven't begun to hear from most of the players.
I have sent out a PM to 8 former KOTR players who were previously very active, but left the game long ago or who have essentially become inactive. I've invited them to join in the end-game battle on whichever side they want. We can provide them with simple "Elector" avatars and a small army to command on the battlefield. The more the merrier, IMO, and it would be great to have a reunion of some of the great players of the past since we're at the end of the game. I hope you guys don't mind.
:2thumbsup: Great Idea! It can only make the final battle more dramatic with more people/armies involved.
You know I have a sneaking suspicion that Peter's 'humanist' trait is working against us too. I really thought I had Hugo sewn up for the loyalists! :embarassed:
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Well, you're almost certain to have all of Franconia, plus Duke von Salza and Count Ruppel. I wouldn't be surprised at some Bavarian or Austrian defections to the Imperials as well, assuming some of the AWOL players come back for the finale. So far it seems to be shaping up towards a pretty even battle.
It was really a difficult choice... something along the fifty-fifty line...
But Hugo is a real do-gooder and the Illuminati's plan for the Reich appeals to him much more than Peter's Tyranny...
Who from Bavaria is left to defect? Erlach?
And now Jan, who I rather hoped would at least be too afraid to side against Peter, is on the wrong side too. :laugh4:
I guess maybe Max can be guilted into coming to the light side.
With Econ being judge I don't know if Prinz Dieter will be taking part either, though he's logically a loyalist.
I guess it will be somewhat even... but that's kind of a bad sign if you're on the Imperial team. :no:
:egypt:
Yes somehow the Order got labelled as evil. I've addressed that IC.
It doesn't help the the Grand Master seems a little demonic on occasion.
Still...the Republican ideal does fit the original concept TC and I had in mind.
I'm back! I just caught up with the KotR story since I left, and... basically congrats everyone!
Anyway, here I am: I'm choosing the side of the Illuminati.
Think about it. Who's scarier, Peter or Arnold? Never made an easier choice in my life. :clown:
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Originally Posted by Ramses II CP
Booyah!
If the Illuminati end up too strong in numbers, I'm sure econ21 will balance it out by giving the Imperials more men per capita. The Imperials do have the two most powerful men in the Reich in their camp: the Kaiser and the Chancellor. It would make sense for those two to command armies that were larger than the Dukes or the Viceroy.
Right; ready to suit up for this battle!
I think I will help the Kaiser in this one... still have not forgiven the Illumanti for the Civil War!:laugh4:
Let's keep a running tally of who's on which side for convenience. Please update this as people declare their sides.
Imperial:
Peter von Kastilien
Fritz von Kastilien
Maximilian von Hapsburg
Athalwolf von Salza
Ehrhart Ruppel
Illuminati:
Arnold
Lothar Steffen
Matthias Steffen
Herrman Steffen
Hugo de Cervole
Jan Zirn
Warmaster Horus (No current avatar)
Neutral:
Edmund Becker
Aww, that was what the list was for. :cry:
Anyway, it's Athalwolf von Salza, not Jobst.
The IC list is great, but it doesn't include the Imperials or the Neutrals. It'll be easier for econ21 to sort through this mess when he gets back if we can just point him to a post with all the people in the right places. This battle is going to be big enough as it is, we should do whatever we can to make it easier on him.
Good point.
So how is this working? I assume Econ won't set it up exactly like a single battle, or each stack would be half generals (I suppose he could have more than full stack on each side assuming his comp is better than mine. :clown: ). Will it be broken up somehow?
The only comparison I can think of is the Battle for Rome, which ended the Will of the Senate PBM. It was a field battle, with a grand total of about five and a half armies. Econ pretty much split it into two battles (I believe the precedent he used was Waterloo and Wavre), later merging it into one after certain events.
My guess here is that it will either be the same or two massive battle lines, with each player commanding a "section."
Personally I'd like to see one big battle line, with the sides facing off and the lines pushing this way and that. I think when I kill Lothar ( :clown: ) and smash through the Illuminati lines it should give me the chance to flank his allies and provide advantages to nearby friendly armies.
Econ isn't limited by stack sizes really because he's just using the game to resolve individual unit combat. So we could have 200 companies of DFK fighting 200 of Spearmen in a great big line, in theory, and he could resolve it with an average result and apply it to his time scale to produce a result.
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I'd kind of like to see it split into a couple battles, but have them interconnected into a much larger battle.
Just read a long book on the Napoleanic wars and it seemed that each "battle" consisted of a lot of smaller battles by different sections of each army, the results of which affected the main battle.
Can't really say whether medieval battles are the same though.
Another option would be to allow each side to 'pool' the resources of all their commanders. For instance, if each person came with a variety of infantry, missiles, and cavalry (more for people of higher rank) the army as a whole could combine all their units and hand out command of individual sections to particular people. One person could command the center line, one person the left flank, one person the right flank, one person the cavalry, one person the reinforcements, etc. That might make for a more interesting tactical situation than several mini-armies all competing on different sections of a battlefield.
It would nullify the :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: dice effect too.
Tincow's idea sounds interesting. :yes:
Indeed TC's idea sounds very good.
I like the idea of one massive battle (as large as it can be made, the more epic the better) in which everyone is present. That way it has the feel of everyone involved.
There will be sections engaging as the tactics play out but I envisage something like the battle in Lord of the Rings: The Three Kings in which all major characters have finally gathered in the climatic battle to determine everything.
There could be very significant actions taking place with certain nobles commanding while central command waits before making the next move and then the next.
So who is scarier then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
This is not obvious to me.
I guess it would depend.
If one means "I wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley" Duke Arnold obviously is.
If one means "Tyrannical ruler who would take away our freedoms and ruin the country if left unchecked" then Kaiser Peter is obviously scarier. ~;)
* Fritz is also scary in his own way but for some reason I see him more as a frightening foe to face at the head of an army but not as much one on one.
*Sorry Ramses I have no idea where this impression came from. :sweatdrop:
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Originally Posted by AussieGiant
Regarding the battle, the final decision will be up to econ21, since he's got to design it and run the thing. IIRC, he'll be back on Sunday.
Considering most of the Illuminati are not even Counts while the Imperials all have titles, it would make sense.
Oh and Ruppel will join the Imperials of course.
Bruh? :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
We have two Dukes, a Viceroy, and a Count. Our supporters are two Counts (Cervole and Bohmen), and I don't know about the Zirns but I imagine Arnold will Count them very quickly if they're not already.