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With your eyes perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadKill
Has anyone else been using those words at all? I'm still sceptical, because Glenn certainly seems scummy and I don't think that this new stuff absolves him, however for now I think it is best if we try to tie up Glenn and pever so we can lynch both of them.
Unvote: Glenn
Vote: pever
First use was post #63 actually, way back at the start of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Come on people! The case is solved. Thanks Myrddraal and Pannonian. Brilliant. :bow:
Glenn = mighty pro-town. We all know it.
Kill Pevergreen while we have the chance.
Edit to add: No, we don't know if Glenn is pro-town. But I think we should make the effort to find out.
JimBob and Glenn, were you using those 2 instances pann pointed out to communicate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
It might also be useful to know which post it was that gave away that the two of you were connected. You don't have to give away what is in the red to give us a post number.
Unvote: The Stranger
Vote: pevergreen
I've heard just about enough here.
Can't say I believe Glenn and Jimbob's story in the slightest. However the mention of banquo in mafia IV strikes a nerve. I'll unvote:Glenn, Vote:Pevergreen. Someone can investigate Jimbob and we'll follow pann's plan.
Btw Jimbob and Glenn, what's your story as to how glenn survived the killing group?
Given that it was jimbob's infrequency of reading the thread that got Glenn into this mess in the first place, and lynching time is 3 hours hence, it is unlikely that they'll answer the questions in time to satisfy you. So I'll present the evidence instead.
In post #572, jimbob explained:
Does this fit the evidence? A look back at post #63, way back on day 1, and Glenn was spouting this strange bit of garble.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbob
Quite some time later, on day 2 and in post #457, jimbob makes his first appearance in the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Their story checks out thus far. Let's give ourselves some time to check out the other details, and lynch pever in the meantime.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbob
Sorry for being anal, but the Banquo thing was Mafia V.
Mafia IV was the one that ended after 3 rounds. FWIW, Reenk Roink was Detective in that one.
Back to your regularly scheduled drama.
Hmm, pevergreen is not a 100% good lynch. IMO he's just a better lynch option than Glenn at the moment, and he's the one with the most votes apart from him. So it's hardly a case of lynching him 'while we have the chance'... :inquisitive:Quote:
Glenn = mighty pro-town. We all know it.
Kill Pevergreen while we have the chance.
That is odd wording. Presumably Louis means that pever has protection at night, but saying "while we have the chance" is from the perspective of someone who has considered killing at night.
Capotally as of post #638
Glenn = 21 (Beefy17, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Crazed Rabbit, Elite Ferret, Glenn, Hannibalbarc, Husar, Ichigo, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, Kamikhaan, Kukrikhan, Lt. Pinard, Moros, pevergreen, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Tiberius of the Drake, Twilightblade, Xehh II, & Xiahou)
Abstain = 10 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Chimpyang, Cowhead418, Haudegan, Ironside, johnhughthom, norwegian nerd, Northnovas, Xdeathfire, FactionHeir)
Pevergreen = 15 (LittleGrizzly, Makayane, Pannonian, Sarathos, The Stranger, TinCow, Zorg, Sasaki Kojiro, CountArach, JimBob, Charge, Louis VI the Fat, woad&fangs, Myrddraal, GeneralHankerchief)
The Stranger = 4 (Craterus, Rythmic, scottishranger, TruePraetorian)
Sigurd Fafnesbane = 2 (Andres, Proletariat)
Singles = 3 [GeneralHankerchief (Omanes Alexandrapolites), Beefy187 (Shlin28), molonthegreat (Tran)].
Not Voting = 23 (ajaxfetish, Caeser the III, Caius, Draco Leman, Dutch_guy, Evil_Maniac from Mars, Fahad I, gibsonsg91921, Hiji, Jubal_Barca, Killfr3nzy, Kommodus {not allowed}, Leet Erikson, Lord Winter, molonthegreat, Motep, Roadkill, Rob_the_Celt, sapi, taka, Warluster, Warmaster Horus, x-dANGEr)
Dead = 1 (Drisos)
Well, that changes things. Nice work, Pan. Unvote: Sigurd, Vote: pever
Glenn = 21 (Beefy17, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Crazed Rabbit, Elite Ferret, Glenn, Hannibalbarc, Husar, Ichigo, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, Kamikhaan, Kukrikhan, Lt. Pinard, Moros, pevergreen, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Tiberius of the Drake, Twilightblade, Xehh II, & Xiahou)
Abstain = 10 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Chimpyang, Cowhead418, Haudegan, Ironside, johnhughthom, norwegian nerd, Northnovas, Xdeathfire, FactionHeir)
Pevergreen = 16 (LittleGrizzly, Makayane, Pannonian, Sarathos, The Stranger, TinCow, Zorg, Sasaki Kojiro, CountArach, JimBob, Charge, Louis VI the Fat, woad&fangs, Myrddraal, GeneralHankerchief, Prole)
The Stranger = 4 (Craterus, Rythmic, scottishranger, TruePraetorian)
Sigurd Fafnesbane = 1 (Andres)
Singles = 3 [GeneralHankerchief (Omanes Alexandrapolites), Beefy187 (Shlin28), molonthegreat (Tran)].
I must say, my eyes have been opened a little. Though i am still suspicious of The Stranger, I have also said (actually quoted) that pevergreen is too power-hungry.
As you all know, i've been fighting for at least a double lynch. Let us even up the numbers.
Unvote: The Stranger
Vote: Pevergreen
With this, Glenn has 22 and Pevergreen 16 (unless someone new has posted)
-I am not just bandwaggoning, I have just reconsidered that Pevergreen is the best choice to lynch.
-Also, do not forget that Glenn has voted for himself. If we want a double lynch, and we remove too many, then Pevergreen will be lynched alone. This means that if Glenn is not pro-town, or he is a vigilante group, another townie may die...
unvote: The Stranger
vote: pevergreen
Seeing as it's a two horse race now, I may as well place a vote for my second-choice.
However, just to throw it out there (I'm not even entirely sure if this is feasible in terms of time) could it be that Glenn and jimbob are part of a mafia family and, when they realised Glenn was in serious trouble, simply picked and agreed upon a word that happened to appear in one of Glenn's earlier posts. It might be worth looking at how many votes Glenn had when jimbob appeared.
EDIT: Current CapoTally
Glenn = 21 (Beefy17, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Crazed Rabbit, Elite Ferret, Glenn, Hannibalbarc, Husar, Ichigo, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, Kamikhaan, Kukrikhan, Lt. Pinard, Moros, pevergreen, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Tiberius of the Drake, Twilightblade, Xehh II, & Xiahou)
Abstain = 10 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Chimpyang, Cowhead418, Haudegan, Ironside, johnhughthom, norwegian nerd, Northnovas, Xdeathfire, FactionHeir)
Pevergreen = 18 (LittleGrizzly, Makayane, Pannonian, Sarathos, The Stranger, TinCow, Zorg, Sasaki Kojiro, CountArach, JimBob, Charge, Louis VI the Fat, woad&fangs, Myrddraal, GeneralHankerchief, Prole, TruePraetorian, Craterus)
The Stranger = 2 (Rythmic, scottishranger)
Sigurd Fafnesbane = 1 (Andres)
Singles = 3 [GeneralHankerchief (Omanes Alexandrapolites), Beefy187 (Shlin28), molonthegreat (Tran)].
What's the latest tally? How close are Glenn and pevergreen now?
My internet was out last night, so it's taken me a lot longer to get on top of things than I expected today--lots of reading and convoluted plotting and logic to work through.
I was in one of pevergreen's protection groups. Originally I was very much in the dark in terms of purpose/coordination, as I just got names of fellow group members and a protection target: pevergreen. I verified with each of the other members that they had the same intentions before going forward, and our result was 'inconclusive,' which I take to mean that pevergreen wasn't attacked. He did indeed send another pm today which included the names and objectives of each person he had recruited, and that combined with his posting today convinces me that he is telling the truth when he says he is a wise guy. He does seem to be aiming for the killer/mafia development option, but his intentions are now in the open. I consider him a threat, but a minor (and possibly redeemable) one.
I'm torn on Glenn's issue. First, I considered him suspicious enough to lynch. Then when his lynching seemed a foregone conclusion I thought it might be better to vote for another suspicious character (The Stranger or Norwegian Nerd, for example), to keep other suspicions from being forgotten. Then his self-pity spamming made me want to vote for him simply in the hope that he would stop posting after death and rid us of the headache. However, Myrddral's and Pannonian's contributions on the matter leave me wondering whether we should preserve Glenn's life after all. (Part of me thinks sacrificing even a valuable town role might be worth it to get him to reduce his posting, but I'll do my best to keep the town's good ahead of my own personal sanity).
For now, I'll vote: abstain. It would have been Glenn before Pannonian's investigation, and I don't yet think pevergreen is worth lynching.
Ajax
It doesn't matter even if they're mafia. If the detectives investigate them, even if one of them were a Don and checks out as innocent, the other will be a Made or Luca and will check out as criminal, upon which we can lynch both of them. Hence this is a no-loss proposition for the town, unless pevergreen claims some indispensible townie role we dare not risk losing. Given his activities so far, few of us would believe such a claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
Capotally as of post #645
Glenn = 21 (Beefy17, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Crazed Rabbit, Elite Ferret, Glenn, Hannibalbarc, Husar, Ichigo, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, Kamikhaan, Kukrikhan, Lt. Pinard, Moros, pevergreen, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Tiberius of the Drake, Twilightblade, Xehh II, & Xiahou)
Abstain = 10 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Chimpyang, Cowhead418, Haudegan, Ironside, johnhughthom, norwegian nerd, Northnovas, Xdeathfire, FactionHeir)
Pevergreen = 18 (LittleGrizzly, Makayane, Pannonian, Sarathos, The Stranger, TinCow, Zorg, Sasaki Kojiro, CountArach, JimBob, Charge, Louis VI the Fat, woad&fangs, Myrddraal, GeneralHankerchief, Prole, TruePraetorian, Craterus)
The Stranger = 2 (Rythmic, scottishranger)
Sigurd Fafnesbane = 1 (Andres)
Singles = 3 [GeneralHankerchief (Omanes Alexandrapolites), Beefy187 (Shlin28), molonthegreat (Tran)]
TruePraetorian, please bold your votes.
My doubts of Glenn's guilt is becoming less sure by the post.
Unvote: Glenn
Vote: Pevergreen
Glenn = 20 (Beefy17, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Crazed Rabbit, Elite Ferret, Glenn, Hannibalbarc, Husar, Ichigo, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, Kamikhaan, Kukrikhan, , Moros, pevergreen, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Tiberius of the Drake, Twilightblade, Xehh II, & Xiahou)
Abstain = 10 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Chimpyang, Cowhead418, Haudegan, Ironside, johnhughthom, norwegian nerd, Northnovas, Xdeathfire, FactionHeir)
Pevergreen = 19 (LittleGrizzly, Makayane, Pannonian, Sarathos, The Stranger, TinCow, Zorg, Sasaki Kojiro, CountArach, JimBob, Charge, Louis VI the Fat, woad&fangs, Myrddraal, GeneralHankerchief, Prole, TruePraetorian, Craterus,Lt. Pinard)
The Stranger = 2 (Rythmic, scottishranger)
Sigurd Fafnesbane = 1 (Andres)
Singles = 3 [GeneralHankerchief (Omanes Alexandrapolites), Beefy187 (Shlin28), molonthegreat (Tran)]
:wall: If Glenn hadn't voted for himself then we'd have a tie between him and Pevergreen:wall:
And there've been several new votes while I was writing that. Hmmm. I think I'm going to try to bring pevergreen up to an equal level with Glenn and encourage Kommodus to resolve the tie in favor of no lynchings until we have more information.
unvote: abstain
vote: pevergreen
My intention is not to lynch pevergreen, but to delay lynching anyone until we have a more firm basis.
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Capotally as of post #651
Glenn = 20 (Beefy17, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Crazed Rabbit, Elite Ferret, Glenn, Hannibalbarc, Husar, Ichigo, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, Kamikhaan, Kukrikhan, Moros, pevergreen, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Tiberius of the Drake, Twilightblade, Xehh II, & Xiahou)
Abstain = 10 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Chimpyang, Cowhead418, Haudegan, Ironside, johnhughthom, norwegian nerd, Northnovas, Xdeathfire, FactionHeir)
Pevergreen = 20 (LittleGrizzly, Makayane, Pannonian, Sarathos, The Stranger, TinCow, Zorg, Sasaki Kojiro, CountArach, JimBob, Charge, Louis VI the Fat, woad&fangs, Myrddraal, GeneralHankerchief, Prole, TruePraetorian, Craterus, ajaxfetish, Lt. Pinard)
The Stranger = 2 (Rythmic, scottishranger)
Sigurd Fafnesbane = 1 (Andres)
Singles = 3 [GeneralHankerchief (Omanes Alexandrapolites), Beefy187 (Shlin28), molonthegreat (Tran)]
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Ajax
edit: edited to include Lt. Pinard's vote change. The balance is now equal. If no one changes that, it is in Kommodus' hands.
Since my obvious suspiscion of The Stranger is now useless, I am going to change my vote. I have always thought that Glenn was a pro-town role, and I think lynching him would be a mistake.
I Vote: pevergreen
He talked about his death being poetic so this is ...interesting.
EDIT: Nevermind, it's unlikely that Glenn's vote on himself will be the decider. It's 21-20 now, correct?
EDIT2: Scottishranger, you should probably unvote.
Tally:
Glenn = 20 (Beefy17, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Crazed Rabbit, Elite Ferret, Glenn, Hannibalbarc, Husar, Ichigo, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, Kamikhaan, Kukrikhan, Moros, pevergreen, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Tiberius of the Drake, Twilightblade, Xehh II, & Xiahou)
Abstain = 10 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Chimpyang, Cowhead418, Haudegan, Ironside, johnhughthom, norwegian nerd, Northnovas, Xdeathfire, FactionHeir)
Pevergreen = 21 (LittleGrizzly, Makayane, Pannonian, Sarathos, The Stranger, TinCow, Zorg, Sasaki Kojiro, CountArach, JimBob, Charge, Louis VI the Fat, woad&fangs, Myrddraal, GeneralHankerchief, Prole, TruePraetorian, Craterus, ajaxfetish, Lt. Pinard, scottishranger)
The Stranger = 1 (Rythmic)
Sigurd Fafnesbane = 1 (Andres)
Singles = 3 [GeneralHankerchief (Omanes Alexandrapolites), Beefy187 (Shlin28), molonthegreat (Tran)]
nvmind
For the sake of a tie and a double lynching:
Unvote: The Stranger
Vote: Glenn
TS I still have my eye on you.
Glenn = 21 (Beefy17, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Crazed Rabbit, Elite Ferret, Glenn, Hannibalbarc, Husar, Ichigo, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, Kamikhaan, Kukrikhan, Moros, pevergreen, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Tiberius of the Drake, Twilightblade, Xehh II, & Xiahou, Rythmic)
Abstain = 10 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Chimpyang, Cowhead418, Haudegan, Ironside, johnhughthom, norwegian nerd, Northnovas, Xdeathfire, FactionHeir)
Pevergreen = 21 (LittleGrizzly, Makayane, Pannonian, Sarathos, The Stranger, TinCow, Zorg, Sasaki Kojiro, CountArach, JimBob, Charge, Louis VI the Fat, woad&fangs, Myrddraal, GeneralHankerchief, Prole, TruePraetorian, Craterus, ajaxfetish, Lt. Pinard,scottishranger)
Singles = 4 [GeneralHankerchief (Omanes Alexandrapolites), Beefy187 (Shlin28), molonthegreat (Tran), Sigurd Fafnesbane (Andres)]
Sorry, I forgot to Unvote: The Stranger
What are the abilities of this so called group? I haven't seen anything in the thread that says anything about it.
Apparently almost their entire PM was red. However, even if this is a weak fake reveal to cover up a Don and a Luca/Made vouching for him, the game mechanics still mean that at least one of them will show up as criminal when investigated. Even if they're not willing to go into details, at least one part of their story checks out so far, and we can chase up further details given a little time. If they're scum, their story will fall apart at some point, when the investigation results come through, so they won't be escaping even if we give them a reprieve now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
It's not a tie if one person is voting for themselves, they'll simply unvote and vote for the other guy before the lynch.
I am slightly puzzled by the bandwagon on pevergreen. Do we have proof that he's trying to run his own mafia gang? Or is it conjecture and paranoia?
Also, looking at the 'evidence' that presumably vindicates Glenn, I must say I am unconvinced.
-He only used one of the 'code words' before he was accused - in a way that may have been natural.
-the other two 'code words' appear in a post by Glenn only after it appears that he is doomed, and after it has come out that Jimbob has claimed they have some secret role.
-the reveal of their role PM; only two lines written in non-Seamus style before the whole of the rest is red? That is ridiculous - do they not even have a section under day actions saying they can vote?
-the general fakeness of the whole role they've been claiming. I remember when I accused Sigurd of being a Don in, I think, Godfather II and he weaseled out very well by claiming to have some made up suicide bomber role.
CR
According to their own testimony, virtually their entire role pm's were red. If that is true, they would be breaking the rules to reveal their abilities. It feels almost a little too convenient, but hopefully investigation will confirm their trustworthiness or falsehood.
Ajax