Representative Democracy [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Dp101

I'm not talking that much because honestly I am lost as to who I am finding scummy, everyone but you goes from scum to town post by post. The lesson here is I need to get good. You are my one shining hope, the purest of towns.

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anyone you have as strong town outside of him?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

the bold, red one

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what changed your mind

You're not talking that much because honestly you are lost as to who you am finding scummy, everyone but me goes from scum to town post by post. The lesson here is you need to get good. I am your one shining hope, the purest of towns.

(Also <3)

well at least the few people who are soft-cleared and will continue to be elected are barely participating

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Originally Posted by Zack

what changed your mind

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continuing to interact with you, also probably calming down

i think you and visor are acting like v/v now, for one

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

My fellow Earthicans! Today, we face many crises, from the alcohol-guzzling robots worsening global warming, to the threat of invasion from the Omicron Persei Eightians, to that ominous looking rip in the universe, to time travel paradoxes. Only one man is qualified to lead us against these struggles. I present to you: The Mighty and Fabulously Sexy Zaccino!

Vote: Zack

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Vote means nothing, would probably vote Zack anyway so not gonna read into it.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

Oh shit I totally forgot the game had started

lolchox

I've been spending the past couple of hours reading through the thread trying to catch up. Don't have a lot of good reads on anyone yet, lots of people I'm totally unfamiliar with.

So he's read the thread and got reads. No REASONS though.

Zack still looks good, I'll keep my chancellor vote on him. Slight town reads on Renata, Cuth, and GH. Speaking of which, Vote: Cuth for District One. El Barto and Monty are still impossible to read, and while I don't want that to be an excuse that lets them whomp us like they did last game, I also don't want to reflexively vote them just for last game either. Sooh I was going to vote before she claimed PR. I still don't like her, and I echo what Zack said about her here:

Rest of the post is pointless, so snipped. Townreading Renata/Cuth/GH.

DISTRICT ONE

Schema - hadn't posted.
Cuthillius - read town.
Renata - read town.
Choxorn - himself.
Dp101 - no read.
Jabbz - no read, probably town on spew.
dicetosser1 - no read

Interesting that he read Cuth and Renata town and chose Cuth over Renata. Probably nothing but meh.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

Why BSmith? I know you haven't read much, but you have to give better reasons than that.

Vote: Al Sipsclar

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Gonna yolo and say spewed clear.

Dang I missed an am

I will forever be haunted by my mistake

I can't play anymore sorry this game is ruined for me because of that

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

continuing to interact with you, also probably calming down

i think you and visor are acting like v/v now, for one

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maybe i've just pocketed you even as i am pushing you off a cliff into your death

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Originally Posted by Visor

Vote means nothing, would probably vote Zack anyway so not gonna read into it.




Gonna yolo and say spewed clear.

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your method of inserting your own bold comments by choxorn's bold comments is pure aids

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Originally Posted by Zack

maybe i've just pocketed you even as i am pushing you off a cliff into your death

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could be

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

Dang I missed an am

I will forever be haunted by my mistake

I can't play anymore sorry this game is ruined for me because of that

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no comprendo

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Originally Posted by Visor

Vote means nothing, would probably vote Zack anyway so not gonna read into it.




Gonna yolo and say spewed clear.

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say who spewed clear?

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

You're not talking that much because honestly you are lost as to who you am finding scummy, everyone but me goes from scum to town post by post. The lesson here is you need to get good. I am your one shining hope, the purest of towns.

(Also <3)

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uhh

no editz

al gore

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

You're not talking that much because honestly you are lost as to who you am finding scummy, everyone but me goes from scum to town post by post. The lesson here is you need to get good. I am your one shining hope, the purest of towns.

(Also <3)

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But am i are

I would ham it up but the joke isn't funny anymore

or even in the first place

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

uhh

no editz

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wait wth am i talking about

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

My fellow Earthicans! Today, we face many crises, from the alcohol-guzzling robots worsening global warming, to the threat of invasion from the Omicron Persei Eightians, to that ominous looking rip in the universe, to time travel paradoxes. Only one man is qualified to lead us against these struggles. I present to you: The Mighty and Fabulously Sexy Zaccino!

Vote: Zack

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Vote means nothing, would probably vote Zack anyway so not gonna read into it.


So he's read the thread and got reads. No REASONS though.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

Oh shit I totally forgot the game had started

lolchox

I've been spending the past couple of hours reading through the thread trying to catch up. Don't have a lot of good reads on anyone yet, lots of people I'm totally unfamiliar with.


Zack still looks good, I'll keep my chancellor vote on him. Slight town reads on Renata, Cuth, and GH. Speaking of which, Vote: Cuth for District One. El Barto and Monty are still impossible to read, and while I don't want that to be an excuse that lets them whomp us like they did last game, I also don't want to reflexively vote them just for last game either. Sooh I was going to vote before she claimed PR. I still don't like her, and I echo what Zack said about her here:

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Rest of the post is pointless, so snipped. Townreading Renata/Cuth/GH.

DISTRICT ONE

Schema - hadn't posted.
Cuthillius - read town.
Renata - read town.
Choxorn - himself.
Dp101 - no read.
Jabbz - no read, probably town on spew.
dicetosser1 - no read

Interesting that he read Cuth and Renata town and chose Cuth over Renata. Probably nothing but meh.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

Why BSmith? I know you haven't read much, but you have to give better reasons than that.

Vote: Al Sipsclar

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Gonna yolo and say spewed clear.

there you go, zack.

honestly part of me wants to say town chox would always choose renata over cuth and scum chox chose cuth because he is his partner over renata

I'm gonna start asking people about their scumreads like that from now on.

Like

Yo @Cass_

Who am you finding scummy?

choxorn really liked me lol

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Originally Posted by Zack

choxorn really liked me lol

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not sure if serious

or if teasing that he wolf

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

not sure if serious

or if teasing that he wolf

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i mean half of what he's saying is something good about me or "echoing what zack said..."

i guess just trying to replicate what worked for him in the mu game

but it's kinda funny

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

anyone you have as strong town outside of him?

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Aside from the obvious lock clears, basically just Jabbz and Winston. Maybe also Dice, Al, and BSmith, but less so.

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Originally Posted by Visor

honestly part of me wants to say town chox would always choose renata over cuth and scum chox chose cuth because he is his partner over renata

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who were cuth and renata voting at the time?

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Aside from the obvious lock clears, basically just Jabbz and Winston. Maybe also Dice, Al, and BSmith, but less so.

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why jabbz

and bsmith??

DISTRICT ONE

Schema - nullish to town
Cuthillius - wolfy
Renata - chox vote looks good for her, voted wolf, etc
Choxorn - wolf
Dp101 - likely villager voted chox
Jabbz - likely spewed by Chox
dicetosser1 - tone i guess

DISTRICT TWO

Winston Hughes - villager
BSmith - afkish
Visor - villager
Csargo - afk
Riedquat - afk
El Barto - kinda wolfy
Monstrbro - i guess villagery

DISTRICT THREE

Montmorency - i am just gonna go with neutral and see where he goes today
Al Sipsclar - kinda afk, maybe spewed
Sooh - villager
Cass_ - likely villager
GeneralHankerchief - kinda wolfy
Zack - kinda villagery
atheotes - villagery

so

Visor
Winston
Renata
Atheotes
Dp101
Cass

Zack
Monstrman
Jabbz
Al Sipsclar
Dicetosser
Schema

Montmorency

Riedquat
Csargo

GeneralH
BSmith
Cuthillius
El Barto

I guess for now or something like that?

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Originally Posted by Zack

who were cuth and renata voting at the time?

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p sure i was voting visor

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Originally Posted by Zack

who were cuth and renata voting at the time?

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Renata Dp101 Cass Jabbz

Dp for rep, Cass for chancellor and jabbz for lynch

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

p sure i was voting visor

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renata was probably jabbz at that time?

Cuthillius Cuthilius Zack Visor

Cuth for rep, zack for chancellor, visor for lynch

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Originally Posted by Visor

DISTRICT ONE

Schema - nullish to town
Cuthillius - wolfy
Renata - chox vote looks good for her, voted wolf, etc
Choxorn - wolf
Dp101 - likely villager voted chox
Jabbz - likely spewed by Chox
dicetosser1 - tone i guess

DISTRICT TWO

Winston Hughes - villager
BSmith - afkish
Visor - villager
Csargo - afk
Riedquat - afk
El Barto - kinda wolfy
Monstrbro - i guess villagery

DISTRICT THREE

Montmorency - i am just gonna go with neutral and see where he goes today
Al Sipsclar - kinda afk, maybe spewed
Sooh - villager
Cass_ - likely villager
GeneralHankerchief - kinda wolfy
Zack - kinda villagery
atheotes - villagery

so

Visor
Winston
Renata
Atheotes
Dp101
Cass

Zack
Monstrman
Jabbz
Al Sipsclar
Dicetosser
Schema

Montmorency

Riedquat
Csargo

GeneralH
BSmith
Cuthillius
El Barto

I guess for now or something like that?

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To me so far it looks like it probably wins from the bottom up so :thumb: glgl us we just gotta pick right as we go

If there's a deep wolf it can't be more than one

hmmm

sorta interesting

i want to say it is a slight bad look for jabbz and slight good for visor but i kinda doubt choxorn was really paying close attention to who cuth and renata were voting to lynch at the time

though it would suit my confirmation bias nicely

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Originally Posted by Zack

why jabbz

and bsmith??

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Jabbz reads pure to me on tone, and bsmith's lack of time feels authentic, although the fact that their cases are basically just sheeping is making me rethink their place on the list, back to null for them.

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

To me so far it looks like it probably wins from the bottom up so :thumb: glgl us we just gotta pick right as we go

If there's a deep wolf it can't be more than one

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snarky comment about how you think 7 people are clearer than you are

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Originally Posted by Zack

snarky comment about how you think 7 people are clearer than you are

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I'm never (usually not) snarky!

Rude

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Jabbz reads pure to me on tone, and bsmith's lack of time feels authentic, although the fact that their cases are basically just sheeping is making me rethink their place on the list, back to null for them.

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that seems weak fo rjabbz and i don't quite get it

that seems completely null for bsmith and idk why you would think that's towny

what do you think of his comment that monty "makes good cases" then ignoring them to vote cuth, a case purported by the main person monty is casing

it's pretty bizarre and he didn't really have an answer for it, though to be fair i don't think i quite posed it to him that way specifically

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Originally Posted by Zack

snarky comment about how you think 7 people are clearer than you are

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Oh wait you meant because you think I think that

In that case

Nu uh

I think I'm going around in circles. I might take the rest of the phase off.

GL winston, I think Cuth and two of GH/Barto/BSmith

should be decent enough for now.

did anyone else vote themselves as rep in dist1 other than schema?

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Originally Posted by Visor

I think I'm going around in circles. I might take the rest of the phase off.

GL winston, I think Cuth and two of GH/Barto/BSmith

should be decent enough for now.

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you think winston's scummy?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

you think winston's scummy?

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he literally just posted a reads list

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

you think winston's scummy?

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No, he's just going to be the D2 rep.

I am suggesting you and one of the others should be up for lynching.

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Originally Posted by Visor

No, he's just going to be the D2 rep.

I am suggesting you and one of the others should be up for lynching.

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ah.

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Originally Posted by Zack

that seems weak fo rjabbz and i don't quite get it

that seems completely null for bsmith and idk why you would think that's towny

what do you think of his comment that monty "makes good cases" then ignoring them to vote cuth, a case purported by the main person monty is casing

it's pretty bizarre and he didn't really have an answer for it, though to be fair i don't think i quite posed it to him that way specifically

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Firstly, I just mentioned that BSmith went back to null. Secondly, look, I don't really know how to put this into words, but Jabbz really felt to me like they had simpler and better arguments than you, and convinced me of their towniness through transparency, sensible trains of thought, and good grammar*

*not intended to be an insult, just a joke.

if i gave you three guns

and one of them had three bullets in it

and the others had none

who would you shoot

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Firstly, I just mentioned that BSmith went back to null. Secondly, look, I don't really know how to put this into words, but Jabbz really felt to me like they had simpler and better arguments than you, and convinced me of their towniness through transparency, sensible trains of thought, and good grammar*

*not intended to be an insult, just a joke.

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simpler???

better?

sensible?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

if i gave you three guns

and one of them had three bullets in it

and the others had none

who would you shoot

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you

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

if i gave you three guns

and one of them had three bullets in it

and the others had none

who would you shoot

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Oh god. Um, probably Zack, Visor, and you to be honest, since when I look outside this group all I see is either null-town or barely in thread.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Oh god. Um, probably Zack, Visor, and you to be honest, since when I look outside this group all I see is either null-town or barely in thread.

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why does this sound familiar

what do you count as barely in thread

Who Posted?
Posts 268
Monstrbro
Posts 262
Zack
Posts 172
Renata
Posts 162
Visor
Posts 150
Cuthillius
Posts 132
Montmorency
Posts 95
Cass_
Posts 72
Sooh
Posts 68
Winston Hughes
Posts 64
Dp101
Posts 49
Schema
Posts 47
atheotes
Posts 41
El Barto
Posts 40
Jabbz
Posts 29
GeneralHankerchief
Posts 28
dicetosser1
Posts 20
Askthepizzaguy
Posts 10
Al Sipsclar
Posts 7
Csargo
Posts 6
BSmith
Posts 5
Choxorn
Posts 1
Riedquat

everyone under the host?

sorry for the textwall

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Oh god. Um, probably Zack, Visor, and you to be honest, since when I look outside this group all I see is either null-town or barely in thread.

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http://img.pandawhale.com/126353-Jim...ce-re-OKl5.gif

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

everyone under the host?

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Basically.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Basically.

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then i want your opinons on hanky and dice

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

then i want your opinons on hanky and dice

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Dice town, hanky null-

have you isoed hanky recently?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

have you isoed hanky recently?

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Nah, will do.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Nah, will do.

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:y:

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

:y:

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ISO complete, only notable action pushing Sooh, other than that just excessive complaining about post count. My read maintains, null- since anyone can do what he has done but not everyone votes Sooh in that situation.

Guys, we're going to outpost CAPO IV at this rate. The game with over a hundred players.

Cass conspiracy is :daisy: suicidal you don't gain :daisy: lynching your partner when it's D1 and you have 9 more lynches to go. If Cass doesn't die by endgame or prevents the lynch of scum that's damning in itself anyway, so inescapable. Incalculable disadvantage to a solo-bussing gambit unless you literally have a role that gets stronger when your partners die.

Here's a real conspiracy: El Barto and Cuth are Cass's partners so she had no choice but to kill a teammate. Gl with that one.

Keep stopping now, tally post incoming.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Guys, we're going to outpost CAPO IV at this rate. The game with over a hundred players.

Cass conspiracy is :daisy: suicidal you don't gain :daisy: lynching your partner when it's D1 and you have 9 more lynches to go. If Cass doesn't die by endgame or prevents the lynch of scum that's damning in itself anyway, so inescapable. Incalculable disadvantage to a solo-bussing gambit unless you literally have a role that gets stronger when your partners die.

Here's a real conspiracy: El Barto and Cuth are Cass's partners so she had no choice but to kill a teammate. Gl with that one.

Keep stopping now, tally post incoming.

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Nobody actually suspects Cass, it was just said as a joke.

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Originally Posted by Visor

Nobody actually suspects Cass, it was just said as a joke.

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I know, but it needed to be said. Visor, do you want Barto lynched over Cuth (in your reads list)? Tally and stuff in 5 min.

Screw it, the last 20 posts probably aren't valuable.

Tally # B1
	Blue	Green	Red
DISTRICT ONE	Rep	Chancellor	Lynch
Schema	Schema
Cuthillius	Dp101		General Hankerchief
Renata	Dp101		Zack
Dp101	Dp101		Cuthilius
Jabbz	Dp101
dicetosser1			El Barto
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes	Winston		El Barto
BSmith	Winston Hughes		Cuthilius
Visor	Winston Hughes		Cuthilius
Csargo	Winston
Riedquat
El Barto	El Barto
Monstrbro	Monstrbro		General Hankerchief
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency	Cass
Al Sipsclar	Cass
Cass_
GeneralHankerchief	Cass
Zack			Cuthilius
atheotes

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Originally Posted by Renata

Also, there's choxorn choosing [Jabbz] as the target for a bit of 'pro-town'' scolding.

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Then again, couldn't it work the other way around just as well? As with Schema's observed "Al Sipsclar spew" from Choxorn's vote, it seems arguable in either direction.

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Originally Posted by Zack

oh yeah i forgot choxorn also elected cuth for no reason that i could tell

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Cuth commented on this yesterday:

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

in our district, i could see scumchox electing me just because he thinks i would be a bad rep for town

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Originally Posted by Zack

what do you think of his comment that monty "makes good cases" then ignoring them to vote cuth, a case purported by the main person monty is casing

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Well, the case on Visor as such has been abandoned, but from BSmith the stated reasoning was that he found the case against Cuth 'a little more compelling'. Null.

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Originally Posted by dicetosser1

And dont think i didnt notice you trying to squirrel away from this convo with that whole Im not covering this again thing. I will just keep bringing it up and pounding away at you.

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See here.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I know, but it needed to be said. Visor, do you want Barto lynched over Cuth (in your reads list)? Tally and stuff in 5 min.

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Eh, if I could I'd kill them all in that group.

They're all about the same. Maybe Cuth a little more than Barto.

Tbh I'm pretty half-hearted about this game rn.

Only a townie idiot votes herself rep with a likely town Dp up for candidacy, blah blah.

Vote: Dp101

Not sure how I feel on the Cuth >> GH lynch vote. Would like to hear from @Zack as to why GH isn't a priority for him, since I'm assuming he has some meta to go off.
@Monstrbro, I believe you asked me my thoughts on Winston? I had iffy feels early in the game but he got townier for me. I haven't seen most of his D2 contributions though so I'll run le iso there today.

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

To be fair, half the thread isn't reading the thread tho

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Gee I wonder why.

*continues skimming*

This is a public warning to cut down on the spam. Posts like the following:

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Originally Posted by Zack

i was going to watch a movie but now i'm all hot and bothered and want to join a boxing gym and film a montage

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

i'll shit post all night if I have to

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etc. are not appreciated with the thread moving as fast as it is.

I'll be honest, I'm half-tempted to vote for Monstrbro and/or Zack to be lynched simply because it will cut down on my reading time and perhaps allow half of the other players to get a word in, but the problem is that I just don't see their interactions, particularly Monstrbro's, as something that a mafioso could pull off. Especially with regards to volume.

As it appears Cuthilius is my main competition, even though I'm obviously not going to get elected district rep anytime soon, I'm just going to do the sensible thing here and

Vote: Cuthilius

There was probably a case on him at some point but I couldn't remember the finer details in the Black Hole of Calcutta that is... well... this entire game, basically.

I'm sorry for my participation level, I'm still like 5 pages behind in my readings!

While I catch up will vote: Winston and FoS: Visor for that hunch on me... that was odd...

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Based off of this exchange I want to vote Zack, Visor and Cuth all at once, because I feel that at least half of their posts have been more about calling the other guy names rather than solving.

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This guy gets it. Lol.

Still catching up.

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Originally Posted by Riedquat

I'm sorry for my participation level, I'm still like 5 pages behind in my readings!

While I catch up will vote: Winston and FoS: Visor for that hunch on me... that was odd...

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You're not the only one behind. Hello.

Why vote Winston?

OoG: After D1, the problem with a game setup like this has become evident. Only certain people will ever get power, and most people are consigned to do nothing for a lot of the game.

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Originally Posted by Zack

well at least the few people who are soft-cleared and will continue to be elected are barely participating

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This seems towny, I think? I had a similar moment recently.

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Originally Posted by Visor

OoG: After D1, the problem with a game setup like this has become evident. Only certain people will ever get power, and most people are consigned to do nothing for a lot of the game.

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Do nothing but clutter the thread.

Case in point:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

This is a public warning to cut down on the spam. Posts like the following:

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Somehow, GH posting this increases my desire to shitpost dicetosser by claiming Scummacus. But I won't do it. Because I'm better than that.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

Why BSmith? I know you haven't read much, but you have to give better reasons than that.

Vote: Al Sipsclar

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I missed the minuscule bit of choxorn spew about Bsmith here. I think it's just opportunistic to place a vote (whether bussing or not), but eh. It's a thing.

Should check where Al has BSmith is his more recent reads list.

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Originally Posted by Renata

I missed the minuscule bit of choxorn spew about Bsmith here. I think it's just opportunistic to place a vote (whether bussing or not), but eh. It's a thing.

Should check where Al has BSmith is his more recent reads list.

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Deep demographic. Shouldn't say much under any circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

From town to scum:

Cass_
Renata
Dp101

atheotes
dicetosser1
Jabbz
Visor

Monstrbro
Zack
Winston

BSmith
CSargo
Riedquat

Monty
GH
El Barto
Schema
Cuthillius

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I'll be honest, I'm half-tempted to vote for Monstrbro and/or Zack to be lynched simply because it will cut down on my reading time and perhaps allow half of the other players to get a word in, but the problem is that I just don't see their interactions, particularly Monstrbro's, as something that a mafioso could pull off. Especially with regards to volume.

As it appears Cuthilius is my main competition, even though I'm obviously not going to get elected district rep anytime soon, I'm just going to do the sensible thing here and

Vote: Cuthilius

There was probably a case on him at some point but I couldn't remember the finer details in the Black Hole of Calcutta that is... well... this entire game, basically.

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Meh.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Deep demographic. Shouldn't say much under any circumstances.

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A little unusually high given he apparently saw something negative about BSmith previously.

Hey Renata, who do you think is town outside of the (dp/ath/etc) grouping and scum reads?

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Originally Posted by Renata

A little unusually high given he apparently saw something negative about BSmith previously.

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How's that? You mean the vote? That's the new D1 tradition between BSmith and Al Sips I believe, since the events of Futuramafia. They vote each other.

vote: gh

I guess? There's just no there there for me. He hasn't even tried to make a case, and that was the one thing I was able to read as genuine from him in last game, before I got led down the garden path into suspecting him. I don't want to believe it'd be that easy, but :shrug:.

I don't have a problem with cuthillius being today's lynch, but from my current position of privilege in not needing to give a flip about how I come off, I'll say it wouldn't shock me if he's a villager. Like, the Sooh progression is truly atrocious, but the Schema part of Visor's case was just plain wrong. Without meta on Cuth, I can't go past that point on someone who's not generally pinging me on tone.