Graffiti Mafia [Concluded]

What a shame, only lived to vote once. Oh well

Well well, townies… It seems I have at least been wrong about one of the players I have been pushing towards the gallows. Worst case scenario is two Mafiosi left and that will spell VICTORY to the Mafia. Alas, no mafia is here to gloat so I believe there is still one chance to win this for the townies.

One thing has been buggering me a little and that is:

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

If the rest of the town wants to lynch the only person to have definitively caught a mafioso, that's their business- but I don't know that we have enough time remaining for such nonsense. Personally, I think that Seamus is still our best bet- although Husar's behavior might run him a close second.

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Now this seems to me like a cooked up alibi. He claims to be the only one who caught GH’s “mistake”… but there were many more of the players in this game there catching the same mistake and voiced it too. But as me and Husar have found out we can’t recreate that quit event. The only way is if we write a quit message. This could be the case here; a sacrifice of one of their own to establish an alibi for a later time. A time such as this.

Now the removal of Redleg was a good move as he was probably the least suspicious here. AggonyDuck is playing the typical townie role and it might as well be a cover for a more sinister role. He has the experience to pull this off. I was his Godfather in an earlier game and he is acting very similar, always eager to listen to advice as long as they draw away any suspicion from him.

Husar is acting the same way as he did in the endgame of GF2… trying to stay a little suspicious to keep from getting nailed by the mafia and ensuring that a more suspicious player stays ahead of him on the voting tally. This round he would be the most suspicious… let’s see what he will do.

doc_bean has been lurking a lot in this game… with only 3 more posts than Ignoramus tells a tale of not being too involved in this game. If he is not Mafiosi… the town will need his vote. Maybe he is the wild card… the one that the mafia keeps under the radar?

Ituralde is the Soothsayer… but he wasted his question on the obvious. As we were told by Sasaki… the mafia were picked before the soothsayer was chosen. There is a remote chance that Ituralde already was in the mafia gang when getting his pm from Sasaki.

Discovery1… sits on the key to all this.
It is he who chose the mafia in this game. Considering the problems I faced when having henchmen in other timezones when I was GF, I would think that he has chosen his henchmen close to him… GH, Kommodus and Seamus are all Americans are they not?
Doc_bean is Belgian, Husar and Ituralde are German and Aggony is Finnish.
That leaves only Xiahou… I am thinking American, but I can’t be sure.
Would Discovery1 be as the stereotype American and only play with fellow Americans?

I leave you to your voting villagers…

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

doc_bean has been lurking a lot in this game… with only 3 more posts than Ignoramus tells a tale of not being too involved in this game. If he is not Mafiosi… the town will need his vote. Maybe he is the wild card… the one that the mafia keeps under the radar?

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I've already said I wasn't paying too much attention to this game (and apologized already), I'm in the middle of my mid terms and involved in the other mafia game (breaking my rule of never participating in two games at once, I swear I tried to resist... )

I find your time zone idea intriguing, it's definitely been a problem in other mafia games I've played. I'm naturally suspicious of Xiahou since he's the type that flies under the radar, even if he doesn't lurk. But then I don't have anything solid on him.

Husar has been accused since the start, but never lynched, could this have been a vital mistake ? It's rare that someone manages to survive suspicion that long. perhaps a few tactical kills and some strategic voting by his fellow mafiosi helped a bit ? Though lynching someone for surviving hardly seems like a good reason.

AgonnyDuck and Ithuralde then, also two people who don't tend to draw much suspicion. I don't have much on them.

This is a difficult choice, and I'd like to hear all your opinions before committing to a vote. :bow:

Beside from my own innocence I'm convinced of nothing in this game. Looking at the list of players that remain no one of them has acted outright suspicious making this a really difficult choice. Anyone of them could be a mafioso that has just hidden himself very well. I already applaud your playing skills, I don't know if I had managed to stay inconspicious for so long.

My sensible choice in this situation would be to vote Husar. It's just that when we consider this game in retrospective we would bite our own arses if Husar really turned out to be Mafia after all the clues handed to us. He has been alligning with discovery1 from the beginning. So either he was just fooling around acting on the Mafia graffitti or he just took the chance to play with our minds a little bit, making himself so obvious, that he can't possibly be Mafia.
So my main reason for lynching Husar is to not look dumb afterwards. :sweatdrop:

While not a very good reason I have even less on the other players. Maybe if I reread the entire thread once again I might come to different conclusions. Frankly, I can't find the time for that right now.

So my vote stays.

Vote: Husar

Quotation marathon:

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

I'm pretty sure of Husar's guilt and I hope you all are also. Though you can choose not to take my advice I strongly advise you to lynch Husar.

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I'm also sure of my guilt which adds up to maybe 20% for acting so suspisious as to lead the town astray. I would have really accepted my lynch if I knew the others had another chance but as this is the last voting round, I can only advise to choose someone else, I'm just going to say that once and if you decide to lynch me still, well...

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Now this seems to me like a cooked up alibi. He claims to be the only one who caught GH’s “mistake”… but there were many more of the players in this game there catching the same mistake and voiced it too. But as me and Husar have found out we can’t recreate that quit event. The only way is if we write a quit message. This could be the case here; a sacrifice of one of their own to establish an alibi for a later time. A time such as this.

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You have a point there.
Just yesterday I was talking to Csar in the chat that I was positive about Xiahou being not guilty because he seemed to put forth "strong" evidence against GH but he may have done it to create an alibi. It might also explain why Gh repeatedly admitted to be a mafioso so that everyone shall know Xiahou was an opponent to a known mafioso...

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Husar is acting the same way as he did in the endgame of GF2… trying to stay a little suspicious to keep from getting nailed by the mafia and ensuring that a more suspicious player stays ahead of him on the voting tally. This round he would be the most suspicious… let’s see what he will do.

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You're right, I should change my profile a bit.
What I'm doing is this quotation mess in order to correct a bit of my wrongly established suspiciousness. We'll see what the others will do now.:juggle2:

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Discovery1… sits on the key to all this.
It is he who chose the mafia in this game. Considering the problems I faced when having henchmen in other timezones when I was GF, I would think that he has chosen his henchmen close to him… GH, Kommodus and Seamus are all Americans are they not?
Doc_bean is Belgian, Husar and Ituralde are German and Aggony is Finnish.
That leaves only Xiahou… I am thinking American, but I can’t be sure.
Would Discovery1 be as the stereotype American and only play with fellow Americans?

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Well, didn't think about the timezones before, since I often am in the chat when disco is, you might want to add me as a likely choice as well.
But also keep in mind that disco may be doing all the work on his own because that lowers the chances of one of his henchmen getting caught.

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

I find your time zone idea intriguing, it's definitely been a problem in other mafia games I've played. I'm naturally suspicious of Xiahou since he's the type that flies under the radar, even if he doesn't lurk. But then I don't have anything solid on him.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

Husar has been accused since the start, but never lynched, could this have been a vital mistake ?

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No.

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

It's rare that someone manages to survive suspicion that long.

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Really?

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

perhaps a few tactical kills and some strategic voting by his fellow mafiosi helped a bit ? Though lynching someone for surviving hardly seems like a good reason.

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Well, you might want to show some examples for thinking that supportive kills helped me stay alive. Apart from that, I wouldn't know of any fellow mafiosi.:sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

This is a difficult choice, and I'd like to hear all your opinions before committing to a vote. :bow:

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I agree and here is mine.:2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Ituralde

Beside from my own innocence I'm convinced of nothing in this game.

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A classical sentence which I try to avoid myself since it is rather pointless and doesn't help anyone, does it?

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Originally Posted by Ituralde

[...]we would bite our own arses[...]

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You can still do that after lynching me.:2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Ituralde

So my main reason for lynching Husar is to not look dumb afterwards. :sweatdrop:

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Aha, makes me special in the sense that other people being mafiosi would not make you look dumb afterwards?

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Originally Posted by Ituralde

Maybe if I reread the entire thread once again I might come to different conclusions.

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Maybe, maybe not.

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Originally Posted by Ituralde

Vote: Husar

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I would applaud you now for consistency if this wasn't the last round and if I didn't know the outcome of this.


Now I'm going to wait for Csar to tell everyone how suspicious this post makes me with my pseudo-defense and intelligent mafia tricks.
Oh noes, repeating myself I think, over and out.:sweatdrop:

Sasaki, why can't we vote No Lynch?

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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

Sasaki, why can't we vote No Lynch?

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Cuz I won't kill anyone if you do, getting you nowhere.

And this game would last for all eternity.

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Originally Posted by discovery1

Cuz I won't kill anyone if you do, getting you nowhere.

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I knew it.:furious3:

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Originally Posted by Husar

Quotation marathon:


I'm also sure of my guilt which adds up to maybe 20% for acting so suspisious as to lead the town astray. I would have really accepted my lynch if I knew the others had another chance but as this is the last voting round, I can only advise to choose someone else, I'm just going to say that once and if you decide to lynch me still, well...


You have a point there.
Just yesterday I was talking to Csar in the chat that I was positive about Xiahou being not guilty because he seemed to put forth "strong" evidence against GH but he may have done it to create an alibi. It might also explain why Gh repeatedly admitted to be a mafioso so that everyone shall know Xiahou was an opponent to a known mafioso...


You're right, I should change my profile a bit.
What I'm doing is this quotation mess in order to correct a bit of my wrongly established suspiciousness. We'll see what the others will do now.:juggle2:


Well, didn't think about the timezones before, since I often am in the chat when disco is, you might want to add me as a likely choice as well.
But also keep in mind that disco may be doing all the work on his own because that lowers the chances of one of his henchmen getting caught.


Agreed.


No.


Really?


Well, you might want to show some examples for thinking that supportive kills helped me stay alive. Apart from that, I wouldn't know of any fellow mafiosi.:sweatdrop:


I agree and here is mine.:2thumbsup:


A classical sentence which I try to avoid myself since it is rather pointless and doesn't help anyone, does it?


You can still do that after lynching me.:2thumbsup:


Aha, makes me special in the sense that other people being mafiosi would not make you look dumb afterwards?


Maybe, maybe not.


I would applaud you now for consistency if this wasn't the last round and if I didn't know the outcome of this.


Now I'm going to wait for Csar to tell everyone how suspicious this post makes me with my pseudo-defense and intelligent mafia tricks.
Oh noes, repeating myself I think, over and out.:sweatdrop:

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No I won't I'm just waiting to see the outcome of this game.

While Sigurd brings up a valid point about the same timezone's thing there is one flaw if it is true. If Disco really is sending in all the kills to Sasaki then there wouldn't really be a need to keep in contact with your mafioso besides to tell them who you plan on killing. So it would be less likely for them to get caught PMing each other.

GH said the chat incident was a noob mistake on his part, but if this was really all a ploy then I think we've already lost and there is not way to win at this point. Sad really I was hoping this would turn out a Townie win.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Now this seems to me like a cooked up alibi. He claims to be the only one who caught GH’s “mistake”… but there were many more of the players in this game there catching the same mistake and voiced it too. But as me and Husar have found out we can’t recreate that quit event. The only way is if we write a quit message. This could be the case here; a sacrifice of one of their own to establish an alibi for a later time. A time such as this.

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I wasn't claiming that I was the only one to catch his mistake- I'm claiming that I was the one who got him lynched for it.

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Husar is acting the same way as he did in the endgame of GF2… trying to stay a little suspicious to keep from getting nailed by the mafia and ensuring that a more suspicious player stays ahead of him on the voting tally. This round he would be the most suspicious… let’s see what he will do.

doc_bean has been lurking a lot in this game… with only 3 more posts than Ignoramus tells a tale of not being too involved in this game. If he is not Mafiosi… the town will need his vote. Maybe he is the wild card… the one that the mafia keeps under the radar?

Ituralde is the Soothsayer… but he wasted his question on the obvious. As we were told by Sasaki… the mafia were picked before the soothsayer was chosen. There is a remote chance that Ituralde already was in the mafia gang when getting his pm from Sasaki.

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ATM, Husar and Doc are still my most suspicious characters. Husar could be trying the 'hiding in plain sight' tactic- looking suspicious while staying very vocal and very active. He's been under suspicion almost the entire game, yet here he still is. Doc, is suspicious primarily for his lurker status- he claims to have an excuse for it, but how are we to know?

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That leaves only Xiahou… I am thinking American, but I can’t be sure.
Would Discovery1 be as the stereotype American and only play with fellow Americans?

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I'm American, but I'm pretty sure disco lives on the other side of the country from me. Not that it matters- I'm not working for him.

Be mindful when placing a vote this round. It only takes 4 to lynch… Remember there are two Mafiosi left in this game; Discovery1 and our unknown Mafioso.
It only takes two townies voting for the wrong person to end this game as Discovery and his henchman will surely bandwagon and end this.

I propose a serious discussion between the remaining players is in order before placing any votes. Use this advantage townies… there will be no lynching unless there is a majority of votes. You have the power to stall this… night will not come unless a lynch has taken place. The Devil is bound. Use it to root out the last Mafioso.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

I propose a serious discussion between the remaining players is in order before placing any votes. Use this advantage townies… there will be no lynching unless there is a majority of votes. You have the power to stall this… night will not come unless a lynch has taken place. The Devil is bound. Use it to root out the last Mafioso.

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Very nice speech, are you the corrupt politician?~;)
You're right of course, we shouldn't vote until we have slept at least 100 times over it.
This also gives doc_bean and Ituralde time to read the topic and give us their educated views on the matter at hand.:juggle2:

*removed vote for disco--dead can't vote (sasaki)*

He's obviously guilty

I'm torn at the moment between the obvious choice of Husar andthe not so obvious other choices. Of the remaining players, he is the one who I find the most suspicious. In fact I have problems finding anything suspicious about the others, which might be a bit suspicious too when you think about it.

But I'm going to go with my suspicions. If I voted for the wrong guy, then I applaud the remaining mafioso, because he has completely avoided my suspicions. Thus:

Vote: Husar

Ugh, I just reread the entire thread and i'm not much wiser.

I *think* it's AggonyDuck based on his voting record (no lynch first round, bandwagoned at times, kept going after Seamus, perhaps trying not to offend too many other players ?)

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Originally Posted by discovery1

Cuz I won't kill anyone if you do, getting you nowhere.

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Isn't that actually a good thing for us? A mafia not killing anyone is the same as no mafia. You'd actually be forced to kill us to actually win the game, while an peaceful coexistence is nothing negative for the villagers.

Unvote: Husar
Vote: Abstain

I want to hold up with my vote a bit longer. Gonna check the thread...again...:book:

Something I noticed when re-reading the thread:

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

I took a leap of faith and had a go at following the mafias pattern - Dutch_Guy defended my brother while i defended someone newish(Itrulde) and Warluster protected a veteran(not sure who).

As we now know thanks to timmy this paid off someone tried to kill Itrulde and i blocked it - result only 1 death (kage)

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The mafia tried to kill Ituralde, making him innocent. That cuts our options down a bit, which is atleast something.

GO FASTER!

And I'm sure you want a never ending mafia game Duck.

Now:

Xiahou says it's me or doc.
doc_bean says it may be Duck.
Ituralde thinks it's me(voted already).
AggonyDuck excludes Ituralde(voted me but took it back).
Husar thinks it's one of the four above but would exclude Ituralde because he seemed to be the soothsayer and Duck raised a good defense.
discovery1 wants this to end and is definitely guilty.

Now I just realized that if disco and his mafioso had jumped onto those two votes, I would be dead already, except if either I or one of the two voting for me were mafiosi.
Does all that get us anywhere?

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Originally Posted by Husar

Now:

Xiahou says it's me or doc.
doc_bean says it may be Duck.
Ituralde thinks it's me(voted already).
AggonyDuck excludes Ituralde(voted me but took it back).
Husar thinks it's one of the four above but would exclude Ituralde because he seemed to be the soothsayer and Duck raised a good defense.
discovery1 wants this to end and is definitely guilty.

Now I just realized that if disco and his mafioso had jumped onto those two votes, I would be dead already, except if either I or one of the two voting for me were mafiosi.
Does all that get us anywhere?

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The mafioso is either asleep, you or very confident ?

Ah man when will this game end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How did we end up with so many suspicious people left? :help:

I could see Husar, Doc, or AD as mafia and unsurprisingly, there's been scant little discussion. I've got to follow my gut and vote Husar- here's hoping I'm right. :sweatdrop:

vote: Husar

The more I look, the more it comes back to Husar- he's been playing through the game like he has a role to protect. We know who the soothsayer was, we know who the masons were... what's that leave?

Vote Faster!!!!

vote: AggonyDuck

Hold your horses on:

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

I took a leap of faith and had a go at following the mafias pattern - Dutch_Guy defended my brother while i defended someone newish(Itrulde) and Warluster protected a veteran(not sure who).
As we now know thanks to timmy this paid off someone tried to kill Itrulde and i blocked it - result only 1 death (kage)

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Sir Moody is merely making a guess here. Who is to say that Ituralde was the one attacked in that round?
True Little Timmy had sent a note to a possible Mafioso about Ituralde, but it has been disputed how that mechanic works. It was Ichigo who got the note with Ituralde on it.
It could very well be Sir Boo or that other “veteran” who was attacked and was saved by the masons.

I also note that Husar has received 2 votes but not another 2 quick ones from the mafia.
I see two possibilities from this:
Either Xiahou missed the unvote from Aggony and thought that Discovery1 would follow up with a quick finish.
OR
Husar is our last Mafioso and hence the mafia is waiting for another Bandwagon.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Either Xiahou missed the unvote from Aggony and thought that Discovery1 would follow up with a quick finish.
OR
Husar is our last Mafioso and hence the mafia is waiting for another Bandwagon.

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OR
AggonyDuck hasn't been here since Xiahou voted and will jump onto it once he comes
OR
Ituralde is the mafioso for some weird reason.

But I already see this as a townie loss with my death.

And for the little hope there is:
I don't think Xiahou missed anything because he tried to give a reason for his vote, if he thought disco would finish me off anyway, he could have just voted, especially at a time where we europeans are asleep.

doc_bean strengthens my believe a bit that the duck may well be responsible for this.
Duck joined Ituralde, maybe in an attempt to get another townie to join in, then took back the vote to not look like he was defending a lost cause.
OR doc_bean is waiting for disco to come back and will then suddenly switch his vote over to me.

I don't believe it's Ituralde or Xiahou but I don't want to take chances yet so I will not vote for the Duck yet.

Having read all posts so far, my vote stays. I'm not yet fully convinced of Husars guilt, but for me he's the most suspicious.
And as stated before I'd rather lose to a Mafia that hides cunningly than to one that tries to hide in plain sight.

Edit: Posted at the same time as Husar. Really all those possibilities remain. For me this game has turned into a Lottery and I've placed my bet.

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Originally Posted by Husar

OR doc_bean is waiting for disco to come back and will then suddenly switch his vote over to me.

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I think i could have done that last night if I had wanted to. I feel that either AggonyDuck or Ithuralde wanted a bandwagon against you. So for now Xiahou is off the hook, at least for me.

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I don't believe it's Ituralde or Xiahou but I don't want to take chances yet so I will not vote for the Duck yet.

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Well, AgonnyDuck and Discovery had a little debate going this last day, but that could have been done to throw us off. Ithurlade started the whole *won't we feel dumb if Husar really was mafia* thing, now that's a very good attempt at starting a bandwagon, I felt tempted to jump.

ARGH!!!