Sengoku Jidai, Japanese interactive History

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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

Isn't two clans enough for you?

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you mean 4? Because mabey Americancasear is mine also? I do not know Moblie Troop, Ducky. Only reason I am wondering is, even though I know Madden from MP, I had 1 or 2 people sign up on my BHC fourm and starting to make some comments, but I put a end to that fast. But just because Mobile signed up, doesn't mean it's me, a friend, or possbiely even someone who saw what you said a week or two ago and trying to set me up.

I'll look into it if that comforts you.

Nope, it is very hard to find solid evidence about multiple accounts. It is just funny that when the other account I suspected to be run by Warman also ends up signing up for this IH. Too much of a coincidence for my taste anyway.

Anyway, I suppose you're correct about the game being about fun and in the end if three clans is more fun for him than one clan, then he is free to do so as I am free to announce my suspicions about it.


As to americanceasar, he does in no way fit in the same mold as Warman, Madden and Mobile do. The similarities are too great between the three of them for me to ignore. I actually stumbled upon Mobile by accident when checking out if my suspicion about Madden was founded or not, and actually put him down as a possible another account for Warman, which is why I reacted this way when he signed up.

Thats low Warman... real low... shame you got busted though !

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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

I thought it was common knowledge that the Shogunate only serves the will of Miyoshi Chokei, no matter what he tries to say to the contrary. Anyway I urge Asai to join me in my decision. Although losing a year's efforts is a waste, it is still better than fighting a war alone against a coalition that not even an Oda-Asai alliance could hope to defeat. If you pull back now there might still be a chance that a favorable agreement is agreed upon that wouldn't make our efforts an utter waste. Any attempt to fight can only end in ruin and you know this as well as I do.

Oda Nobunaga

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You urge Asai to a conflict with us, neh? Was not Kyoto what you want, Oda Nobunaga? And of course you must pass through Asai. How will you achieve this: by playing the one against the another! Then the two of us are easy to be picked. We admit your diplomacy is very skilful, Oda Nobunaga!

The wish of the Shogun is my command. But the word we gave to ally, loyal servant of the Shogun is too. And Asai Nagamasa still is. This was the reason to ask for compromise. Both sides should receive something and give something otherwise the peace will not be stable! But some people are trying to use to show we are threat to Asai. Is this what you call backstabbing, Sorin!

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Originally Posted by Stephen Asen

You urge Asai to a conflict with us, neh? Was not Kyoto what you want, Oda Nobunaga? And of course you must pass through Asai. How will you achieve this: by playing the one against the another! Then the two of us are easy to be picked. We admit your diplomacy is very skilful, Oda Nobunaga!

The wish of the Shogun is my command. But the word we gave to ally, loyal servant of the Shogun is too. And Asai Nagamasa still is. This was the reason to ask for compromise. Both sides should receive something and to keep something otherwise the peace will not be stable! But some people are trying to use to show we are threat to Asai. Is this what you call backstabbing, Sorin!

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If you had actually bothered to read what I said, you would had noticed that I actually urged Asai to follow the words of your puppet. I did not urge him to fight you, which would be suicidal both with or without my support. As to playing you against Asai, that would not be skillful diplomacy. It would only result in an even stronger Miyoshi right next to Owari, which is not a position I want to find myself in. Also if you had bothered to read what I said, you would had noticed that I actually asked him to withdraw while a compromise is still possible. It is far better to gain something atleast than to waste thousands of lives in a futile attempt to resist the will of the Kanrei and lose everything in the end.

As to your hint that I want to have Kyoto, nothing could be further from the truth at the moment. I am not in a position to seize it by force and even if it was given to me as a gift, I would not have the strength to protect it. I have been forced to abandon most of my ambitions and currently my only goal is to ensure that the Oda clan continues to exist as an independent clan.

Oda Nobunaga

Im confused by your words Miyoshi,,, why do you feel i am threatened by Oda ?

Why did you not fear for me when Asakura had 8,000 men on my border? Asakura is openly agressive and Oda is helping me to meet my goals, yet Oda is the one i should fear.

You mix your words miyoshi

And wat compromise's did you offer that were *acceptable* to all parties?


Asai Nagamasa

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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

If you had actually bothered to read what I said, you would had noticed that I actually urged Asai to follow the words of your puppet. I did not urge him to fight you, which would be suicidal both with or without my support. As to playing you against Asai, that would not be skillful diplomacy. It would only result in an even stronger Miyoshi right next to Owari, which is not a position I want to find myself in. Also if you had bothered to read what I said, you would had noticed that I actually asked him to withdraw while a compromise is still possible. It is far better to gain something atleast than to waste thousands of lives in a futile attempt to resist the will of the Kanrei and lose everything in the end.

As to your hint that I want to have Kyoto, nothing could be further from the truth at the moment. I am not in a position to seize it by force and even if it was given to me as a gift, I would not have the strength to protect it. I have been forced to abandon most of my ambitions and currently my only goal is to ensure that the Oda clan continues to exist as an independent clan.

Oda Nobunaga

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We of the Miyoshi have no ambitions to reach to Owari! You mean we are ready to attack our ally Asai Nagamasa? Do you mean it is a good policy for me to attack my allies? Who will trust us then?

Nobunaga, you called the Shogun puppet! Could you realize what you are saying!



Nagamasa, do you think it is good to have as an ally a person who has no honour and uses his ally's armies as a bate? Or not standing on his word when offering peace? Or dreaming for... Kyoto and rejects it at the same time?

Miyoshi, if the Shogun is indeed not your puppet, then he can speak for himself, yes?
You must approve of all his doings, and that makes Clan Date suspicious...of a number of things.

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Originally Posted by IrishArmenian

Miyoshi, if the Shogun is indeed not your puppet, then he can speak for himself, yes?
You must approve of all his doings, and that makes Clan Date suspicious...of a number of things.

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Well, we left with the impression they were asking me. As far as Shogun is concerned, we are Kanrei and we should often make statements. The Shogun, as you can see, speak when he thinks higher authority is needed. The clan Date has always been suspicious to us, we think, since we are Kanrei. We would miss the fact of that alliance you proposed us with quite unconvincing reasons. :bow:

I suppose the word puppet is the wrong one to describe the Shôgun. He is free to say whatever he wants, but it will only be enforced when it suits the enforcer called Miyoshi Chokei. He might not be a puppet, but he is an emasculated man. A man of words, but no action. Words alone mean nothing without a blade behind them to make them reality. Words without a sword are powerless and a man without a sword is powerless. Ashikaga Yoshiaki is a man without a sword of his own and hence commands neither fear or respect in the men he is supposed to rule over. As long as we are ruled by a man who does not wield a sword of his own, the Shogunate will remain a mere charade.

Oda Nobunaga

Are we still waiting on the decisions from someone?

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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

Are we still waiting on the decisions from someone?

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Yes we are.Im still waiting orders from Asai, Uesugi, Satake, Satomi and Date.Please hurry up guys!:smash:

I'm waiting for Marshal to answer my PM. If he doesn't in two days, I'll just make another move.

OOC:

Since so little changed during winter, I will wait to update the map to spring.

I apolgies for making the secondary accounts. Deeply sadded for doing it, since I was told by other people I should not have did it. I will not explain why I did it,since it won't help me.
My Apoglies,all I can say. I will accpect any Punishment that is toss my way.


I like to Thank AggonyDucky for catching me red-handed. Because it was for the best:yes:



Also, Take me off of the Jap IH Play List. I am leaving .org anyhow (not because of this!) because of CTS in my wrists, and won't be able to play.

Ok. I hope the thing is settled now and wellcome back Warman,when you get your wrists back in shape.:yes: So Takeda and Yamana are free for an player also. Now to the players who have single account and seem to use it also. Im still waiting for the Eastern Lords and Asai´s decisions. Please do hurry up. I think two weeks cycle should be more then enough for to make your decisions. If i will get your decisions today or tomorrow the next chapter should be up tomorrow evening. :smash:

my answer will be in tonight. srry very busy RL

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Yes, lets get this show on the road. I suspect the next chapter could be very, very exciting! :yes:

AntiWarman:

It'd be fine with everyone if you come play again I'm sure. But do please stick with one account next time. ;) Hope you get better dude.

Decisions were sent early this morning kage ???

Sorry havent got em. Could you re send them.:yes:

Sent

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Originally Posted by Ravie

Sent

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:bow: Now just Satake,Satomi and Date and we will get the next chapter. I doubt there has been so many things happening in any chapter before.:smash:

sent :bow:

Edit:w00t! 300th post

'Offtopic'

Kage, could you check you mail (TWC/Hotmail)

thanks

Waiting for honourable Date to reach his decisions. OOC: Wundai, pm answered.:yes:

Moves sent.

Chapter 9. Spring 1562

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Tensions that have been gathering trough out the winter explode,like mighty rivers which roam down the mountainsides, wild from the water melted from the snow of winter.
On cold April morning. Otomo Sorin, the leader of mighty Otomo clan receives a suprise guest. Sorin who has prepaired for a final battle against Akizuki clan with his Shimazu allies is relieved when he hears the news. A retainer of Akizuki Tanezane informs him, that the Daimyo of Akizuki has committed seppuku and the rest of the clan has decided to surrender.
It seems that the struggle over the hegemony of Kyushu island has ended in complete victory for the alliance of Otomo and Shimazu.
While war in Kyushu is over, The shipyards of Shimazu and Otomo clan´s keep pushing out new ships through out the Spring. Otomo Sorin sends 400 koku to Isshiki, in order to help restore the damages occurred during the Yamamna raids on the Isshiki lands during winter. Last Sorin sends 5000 of his men under Ôtomo Yoshimune to aid the Mori contingent in the siege of Urakami capital, Tenjiyama.

During early Spring Mori Motonari decides to visit the old Ouchi capital Yamaguchi castle in Suo province. The aged Daimyo admires the beutifull view, which opens up from one of the castles many balcony´s.

"It was only 5 years a go,when this castle was still in hands of the Ouchi clan. Now its mine, but i wonder who owns this castle after next five years have passed. Well everything has been set on motion and nothing can stop the tide of fate anymore. May Bishamonten save our clan and grant us victory against our enemies."

The 64 year old leader of Mori clan shrugs his shoulders and walks back inside where the sea wind cant chill his old bones.

As Motonari predicted, things start to happen and none by chance. After the Otomo force has arrived to join the siege of the Urakami capital, Mori sends an negotiator to the castle.
Ankokuki Ekei, a monk,senior retainer and chief diplomat of Mori clan, enters Tenjiyama castle on 6th may. Inside he meets the head retainers of Urakami, lead by one Ukita Naoie. Almost, if not as powerfull lord as Urakami Munekage himself, who has been sick and cant join the negotiations.
Instead of formalities Ekei ask´s a simple question from the retainers around him.

"Are you ready? The time has come."

The Urakami retainers nod as if they understand perfectly the question without further explanations. After a short eye contact between Ekei and Ukita Naoie, the Monk says.

"Good."

And leaves the room and the castle.
The following night just before down , all hell brakes loose around Tenjiyama. Every teppo and Yumi bow Urakami can muster, opens up barrage of led and fire arrows against the surrounding army. The alarms sound trough out the camp of besiegers.
As the Amako and Yamana samurai and Ashigarus rush towards the ramparts to fight back the Urakami sally, they are in for a terrible suprise.
The artillery batteries and teppos of Mori and Otomo warriors open up fire from behind and flanks of the rushing columns of Amako and Yamana warriors causing complete chaos. During the early hours of the night the Mori and Otomo warriors have quietly overtaken the key defense positions killing the guards and now the besieging army is being shot and attacked from multiple directions. As the Amako and Yamana forces cant tell apart from friends and foes in the darkness the battle soon turns into a giant rout.
In the dawn of the following morning, the besieging army has been scattered to North and West and all that Amako and Yamana commanders can do is to send their Tsukai ban messengers to collect the men from the countryside. The castle is now once more free, altough the master may have changed.
As the sun raises,Urakami Munekage is found dead inside the castle, a clear cut from katana running from his neck to his waist.
Ukita Naoie assumes the command of the castle as most of the defenders were his men and Urakami Munekage didnt have a heir. So the new lords of Bizen are the Ukita.
Losses on the battle are rather insignificant compared to the numbers that participated. Amako losses are about 3000 men while Yamana losses about 1000. The combined losses of Mori, Otomo and Ukita are just few hundred men. While the losses of lives are comparatively light for Amako and Yamana, the loss of all their cannons hurts the future efforts of those clans. After few days, Amako has been able to rally his army and remains in North Western Bizen the rest of the season with about 17000 men under Amako Yoshihisa. Yamana rallies also their troops and marches with their remaining troops to Eastern Mimasaka the total force now numbering about 9000 men.
The combined force of Ukita, Mori and Otomo number about 20000 men with 5 cannons.
At the following morning of the battle of Tenjiyama castle. Kikkawa Motoharu receives orders and additional men from Mori Motonari in order to invade Eastern Iwami. With the advance he has in form of surprise Motoharu pushes the 5000 strong Amako army out from Eastern Iwami during the Spring months, causing about 1000 casulties to Amako while suffering about 500 himself.
After receiving all the bad news around his domain the leader of Amako clan,Amako Haruhisa falls seriously ill. The doctors are not sure whether the 48 year old warrior will be able to survive his condition.

In central Japan, Matsunaga Hisahide is appointed as governor of Awaji by Miyoshi Chokei. The new governor doesnt reach further then Sakai in Settsu as he receives grim news from his new province. It has been overrun.
Japanese Wakou pirates have been observing for quite some time that the garrison of the island has been diminishing and during night of may 4th, a thousand strong Wakou party, with 10 ships, surprise the small and isolated garrison, thus taking control of the whole island. Matsunaga Hisahide reports the news to his master and waits for orders, how to proceed with the situation.

In Ise. The proud Kitabatake clan have survived the winter confined in the inner defenses of Anotsu castle. After diplomatic effort trough out the winter, Kitabatake Harumoto is hopefull for relief force to arrive. On early April, a part of besieging Oda army marches away to the North, thus giving hope to the defenders that Oda or Asai has been attacked by some third party. After week of waiting suddenly the large dark green flags of Miyoshi appear in the western horizon. A battle ensues and it seems that the Miyoshi force is driving straight trough the Oda defensive line. After some time the Oda camp with its supplies is set on fire.
This is a signal for general sally of Kitabatake forces. Harumoto leading personally the force, quickly runs over the Oda rearguard and moves his forces through the burning Oda camp. What happens next is the largest and last surprise that the Kitabatake Daimyo has witnessed. As the Kitabatake force comes out from the smoke, the truth reveals itself.
All they have witnessed has been a fake fight between Oda and Asai troops disguised as Miyoshi warriors. At the same time the rear guard forces of Kitabatake informs that Iga men that have been part of the Oda army have scaled the inner walls of Anotsu and occupied the gates.
A grim smile appears on Kitabatake Harumotos face and he says with silent voice.

"So be it."

Next he orders his son Tomonori to gather all the remaining mounted samurais and brake trough Oda lines and ride to capital and seek refuge from there. There is no time for argument as the Oda force attacks from in front and flanks of the Kitabatake men. Last thing that Kitabatake Tomonori hears after riding a circle and turning south from the battle in order to evade the Oda is his fathers voice.

"Avenge your father, son! Avenge!"

Kitabatake men fight to the last surrounded by the enemy, they fight back against back in tightening circle. Kitabatake Harumoto meets his destiny after he has been stabbed by numerous spears. Each time he gets up from the mud the old warrior is stabbed by another spear, arrow or bullet. Until he lies dead surrounded by his men on the mud. The women inside the castle are captured by the Iga men before they have time to kill themselves and their children or to set the castle ablaze. The victory for Oda is complete and after long hardships Anotsu castle is theirs.
But only the following morning after the battle a messenger arrives from Owari. 20000 strong army of Asakura and Saito lead by Asakura Kagetaka has marched to Owari and surrounded Kiyosu. The defenders received warnings from Asai scouts, but the enemy was too strong to meet in open battle. It seems that while Oda Nobunaga was successful on taking Anotsu, now he has to think ways to prevent his own capital from falling to hands of others.

During early Spring Tokaido coast between Imagawa and Tokugawa is silent, but the same cant be said about the roads from Suruga to Sagami. Column after column of men march towards the Hojo domain. Same kind of things are appening in central Shinano, while Uesugi Kenshin moves his main army from Echigo to Northern Shinano. Shingen sends large forces commanded by Yamamoto Kansuke to Musashi.

In Musashi the artillery of Satake and Satomi pound relentlessly the walls of Kawagoe, creating terrible casulties to the defenders. after month and half of bombardment the Hojo garrison has suffered 3000 casulties and all but strongest outer defenses have been pounded to dust. Satake and Satomi decide to leave the overall command of the combined army to Satake Yoshiaki. He commands the force to stay alert as there is large possibility of Hojo sending an relief force.
And on May 15th it arrives. Hojo Ujiyasu has mustered every man he can got hold of during the winter and during middle day of may 15th the five lucky colours, the war flags of Hojo appear on on the western horizon. The Hojo army marches as solid formation with the cavalry on it rear numbering in total 23300 men. The Satake and Satomi main forces are situated on small hills both North East and South East from the Kawagoe castle, with smaller number of allied troops entrenched around the castle.
Ujiyasu marches straight towards the castle, slowly dividing his army to two large blocks as he tends to march from both sides and to leave the castle in between the blocks.
Satake Yoshiaki orders his cannons from the hill positions to open fire against the approaching Hojo troops. The cannon fire tears terrible wounds to the ranks of the Hojo, but Ujiyasu is everywhere riding back and forth in front of his troops rallying the troops where ever the ranks start to falter.
Satake Yoshiaki watches in disbelief as the Hojo marches straight into his cannon and teppo fire and says to Satomi Yoshitaka who is next to him.

"Ujiyasu seems to gone mad. We outnumber his force and he is marching just under our noses. Should we encircle him and be done with him?

As Satomi Yoshitaka grins, the two are interrupted. A messenger rides to the commanding post in full gallop, yelling.

"Imagawa flags on the left!"

As the Hojo force has taken the attention of Satake and Satomi, Imagawa guided by local Hojo warriors have marched his 10000 men carefully concealed on the left flank of the allies and are about to attack. As Yoshiaki and Yoshitaka discuss orders to defeat this new thread another messenger rides in, this time arrow sticking on his back. The rider grumbless down from his horse and gasps.

"Takeda! Takeda on the right."

Takeda forces under Yamamoto Kansuke,also numbering about 10000 have made another pincer to the right flank of allies, with strong cavalry contingent as vanguard. Satomi Daimyo addresses the Satake daimyo.

"Their forces are still apart from each other. Maybe we can crush their center and then it will be easy to destroy the separate wings?"

Satake Yoshiaki loos to the ground for a bit, then points to the Kawagoe castle and says.

"Look my friend. There is their center. Ujiyasu is throwing our troops of from both sides from the castle as Imagawa and Takeda are flanking us. There is 10000 more of Hojo men in the castle ready to join the fray. Attack is not an option. We must withdraw and fight another day."

Quickly Satomi Yoshitaka understands the situation and a general retreat is ordered. Before the battle the allies already moved part of their cannons to the rear in order to deploy them elsewhere if needed. The two daimyos are happy now about the situation. Yoshiaki orders the vanguard with cannons to delay the advance of Hojo while he leaves the extremes of his flanks to do the same to Imagawa and Takeda while the main army retreats from the double envelopment. As Hojo forces reach the sides of the castle the garrison sallies and soon after Takeda cavalry attacks the cannon positions from behind. The hill position is taken with relative ease and the three commanders meet in the ex command post of Yoshiaki.
Takeda commander Yamamoto Kansuke suggests that the cavalry forces should pursuit the enemy´s main force but Hojo Ujyasu rejects that. He points his command staff to the field under their eyes patched with dead Hojo ashigaru and samurais and says.

"There lies enough of my men already. We have defeated Satake and Satomi and freed the castle. This is no time to invade them, specially because they still have lots of men in their disposal to garrison their castles."

Satake casulties in the battle are about 4000 men while Satomi looses 3000. So combined casulties for their army is about 7000 men. The casulties come mostly from the delaying troops.
On the other side Hojo losses are about 4000, while Takeda 600 and Imagawa around 500 men. In total about 5100 men. But nevertheless Musashi is back in Hojo hands the winner gains 6 cannons and it is decided that those should be left in defense of castle.
While Satake and Satomi withdraw in good order to Kazusa. Majority of the coalition army starts quickly marching towards Shinano. While Hojo leaves 10000 men garrison to defend Kawagoe.

In Kozuke, Date Harumune is about to order his 4000 men to move into Northern Shinano in support of Uesugi, but before he is able to march out, he receives grim news from home. Nanbu has broken peace.
In early Spring the daimyo of Nanbu clan,Harumasa . Gathers the rulling retainers of the clan to an an meeting and declares his agenda for the new year.

"Date wages war in South with Mogami and Ashina, gathering new lands. Our clan has been blocked here in North and as our neighbours neglect to protect their lands we will conquer them. Under the mandate from Ashikaga Shogun, as the Shugo of Mutsu i declare war to Date and will put their lands under our control."

The Nanbu army marches out on middle April, first brushing aside the Date forces in central Dewa, who badly outnumbered withdraw to Date capital Sendai. Nanbu leaves a force of 2000 men to secure central Dewa,while the rest 7000 men march to Sendai and place it under siege.
After receiving the news Date Harumune march quickly to Southern part of Date lands and remain there for the rest of the season thinking of ways to counter the Nanbu invasion.

The deadline for orders for summer 1562 is, Sunday 23rd of December.

The info pm´s will arrive tomorrow evening.:sweatdrop:

I would like to take the Takugawa if that is possible. I don't know anything about Japanese history but this looks like a very well run and enjoyable game.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

The two daimyos are happy now about the situation.

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Argh, not nearly as happy as I could have been.:angry:

Kage .... your just awesome man !!


Open Letter to all Japan

Clan Asai wishes to pay its respect to the great Kitabatake Huramoto, the Fox of Ise. In another time perhaps we would have been allies if we hadnt been brought to war for the sake of Asai's Honour.


Asai Nagamasa