Why was I offered the ability to promote you then Louis? I must remind you that I accepted the promotion, and Seamus did not inform me that the elevation in status had failed in any way.
I'm positive this is all part of your epic master plan. When GH was attacked by a single fellow, at first I presumed the man to be Andres, but after receiving the promotion offer I realised that you must have been behind it.
For a weird reason you didn't want to kill GH, but you attacked him regardless - understanding that you alone wouldn't be able to kill him. You knew I wouldn't reveal a thing to you until you were a Made (and you wouldn't be able to take my Don position till then), so tried to make the promotion process as rapid as possible.
You also knew that if the current situation arose you would be able to claim that you took no part in that kill so could not possibly be a Made.
This was a very well thought out plan Louis, but I really do think that you made some key errors and miscalculations. I also did when assessing reasons and ways you may wish to betray us. It's time to pay for your actions against the family and your disloyalty to the town.
02-16-2008, 11:05
Husar
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Unvote: Louis
Vote: Andres
Well, it's true that he can still kill why we don't know that about Louis, or do we? So far I still think Louis should die before the end of the game, just not now as he may be potentially useful as well.
Also keep in mind that andres was promising to leave the game with dutch_guy but they're still here. :inquisitive:
Tally(sorted by amount of votes + various writing mistakes corrected ~;) ):
Well, it's true that he can still kill why we don't know that about Louis, or do we? So far I still think Louis should die before the end of the game, just not now as he may be potentially useful as well.
Also keep in mind that andres was promising to leave the game with dutch_guy but they're still here.
He betrayed his family, so I don't see why he wouldn't betray the town. I honestly don't believe he knows any other families.
02-16-2008, 12:01
Husar
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
He betrayed his family, so I don't see why he wouldn't betray the town. I honestly don't believe he knows any other families.
I said he still has to die later on, most likely, but for now Andres seems like a better lynch. Andres is definitely a made, Louis may be a made, so who is more dangerous for the town going by the info we have?
02-16-2008, 12:04
Ferret
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
select: Tincow (he's a lawyer he must be good :P )
I said he still has to die later on, most likely, but for now Andres seems like a better lynch. Andres is definitely a made, Louis may be a made, so who is more dangerous for the town going by the info we have?
Omanes said he promoted Louis to a made as well, and I don't see why he would lie at this point. They're about the same danger level to me.
02-16-2008, 12:14
FactionHeir
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
vote: Louis
Does that mean we'll lynch Omanes next as he's a Don?
02-16-2008, 12:18
Csargo
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
vote: Louis
Does that mean we'll lynch Omanes next as he's a Don?
Omanes has already been lynched
02-16-2008, 12:38
Husar
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Omanes said he promoted Louis to a made as well, and I don't see why he would lie at this point. They're about the same danger level to me.
You forget that Omanes was a don, if Louis is really pro-town it would perfectly make sense for Omanes to want him lynched. I know the notion that Louis might actually be pro-town isn't very poular here but we might want to consider it. Andres is definitely not pro-town so I see him as the better candidate for now.
02-16-2008, 12:45
Moros
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
If I could vote it would be Andres. I know he's criminal and guilty by now. Dutch Guy also is criminal.
Louis can be trusted I believe. A rogue detective could be made a made last game... (that I know)
Sasaki turned up innocent in a investigation.
Edit: added DG and the fact that a rogue could become a made. However I think we should thrust him.
02-16-2008, 13:13
Haudegen
AW: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Ok, seems that the multi lynch isn´t wanted by most players. Therefore I will
People should start unvoting Louis and start putting their votes where it matters.
Why do you all act like you are Stracchi? Offended like Omanes and his goons. Oh, Louis infiltrated the Stracchi and sacrificed the rest of his game in the same go.
We should pat his back instead of acting like we are outraged and lynch the man who exposed an entire family.
I am wondering... why didn't our vigilante teams at least try to take out Andres/Dutch_guy/Tran ?
My guess is they (the vig teams) have become Corleone.
Have you noticed that there are no 4 man teams in the writeups?
I am afraid that unless the major part of the lurkers start organise themselves and oppose the large mafia that we now face, we will run out of rounds to lynch them all. The town are at a great disadvantage right now.
02-16-2008, 14:09
Dutch_guy
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Oh, Louis infiltrated the Stracchi and sacrificed the rest of his game in the same go.
We should pat his back instead of acting like we are outraged and lynch the man who exposed an entire family.
The problem with the above is that Louis' true intentions were a bit more malicious, as he originally hoped to take the place of the Stracchi Don and have Andres survive as his Made. That, in combination with Louis' convenient failure to submit protection orders which lead to Glenn's death, does make Louis a viable lynch option. And Louis being a Made gangster himself, meaning at least a couple of succesful kills, should be reason enough to hang him anyway:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes, post 1735
I assure you there is no lie in the fact that you were a Made when you betrayed us Louis. Seamus offered it to me, I accepted, and I then received nothing which indicated otherwise.
Now you might think a mafia Don's statement to be, as a rule, unreliable. Do take into account that Omanes was dead the moment Louis betrayed the family, his family, and had no reason to lie. I'd even go so far as to say that Omanes' record of telling the truth goes way beyond that of Louis in this game, as he didn't even bother to deny his true identity after Louis betrayal.
Does this mean you're willing to forgive all of that, Sigurd ? That can't be in the good of the town, and I would have thought you'd agree.
:balloon2:
02-16-2008, 14:13
Proletariat
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Dutch Guy, why are you, Omanes and Andres still posting?
02-16-2008, 14:14
Charge
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
@Stracchi's : Why you attacked Prole last night?
02-16-2008, 14:27
Jubal_Barca
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Select sasaki
lynch louis
02-16-2008, 14:28
Ironside
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
A few notes about Louis.
A. According to the mail in Ichigo's post 1822, 3 kills are needed to become a made. I think I've seen the wise guy mail somewhere in this thread, but can't find it now, but anyone that has it can confirm of deny this.
Omanes certainly is playing on getting Louis killed due to revenge and claiming that he's a made will make it certain.
B. He's an exellent offer on detective investigation, if anything else shows up than guilty on the kills he already claimed, he's something else than what he says he is. Either made (through his red text) or a special role.
That said, his behavior with Andres is still very suspicious. But he's pretty dead in the water for now and we still got more important targets.
Vote:Andres
Select: Jimbob
02-16-2008, 14:52
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Dutch Guy, why are you, Omanes and Andres still posting?
Seamus won't let Andres and Dutch_guy commit suicide it seems. I'm still posting because I want to be as helpful as possible to the town - with my family virtually dead, there is nobody else to support.
02-16-2008, 14:58
Proletariat
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
For the record, how many kills does Andres and Dutch Guy have now? Anyone know as of N4? Can either of them move up the ranks and fill in for Omanes?
02-16-2008, 15:03
Myrddraal
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Really sorry for the very short post, I'm in a rush again.
Seems to me the people trying to get Andres before Louis are right, Andres can kill for sure, and doesn't seem to be leaving like he said he would:
Vote:Andres Select:Abstain
Assuming TinCow's last tally is correct: CapoTally:
For the record, how many kills does Andres and Dutch Guy have now? Anyone know as of N4? Can either of them move up the ranks and fill in for Omanes?
If Andres wishes to become Don, he requires the approval of Louis - I doubt he'll get that. The same also applies to Louis - he needs permission from Andres. Technically speaking, Louis, Andres and Dutch_guy are on the same team. In practice they are bitterly opposed to each other. Due to this the family is in a way handicapped and without a Don unless an agreement of sorts is reached. This is highly unlikely to occur.
02-16-2008, 15:18
Caius
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Last tally is correct. I didn't vote anyone for being lynched.
Now I will: Unovte:Abstain
Vote:Andres
We lynch all the Strachis right now, it seems they arent gonna leave the town.
02-16-2008, 15:24
TinCow
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
I feel the need to remind everyone once again that Louis VI is Director. If we hand him a tied lynch vote, he will most certainly remove himself from it, and likely let everyone off just to spite us.
02-16-2008, 15:26
Dutch_guy
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Well, I'm voting Louis for now. Reasons should, by now, hopefully be obvious enough. His loss will be a good thing for the town, and yes I know how ironic that sounds.
I feel the need to remind everyone once again that Louis VI is Director. If we hand him a tied lynch vote, he will most certainly remove himself from it, and likely let everyone off just to spite us.
That's why Andres needs a majority.
@dutch, you forgot to delete caius from Abstains.
02-16-2008, 16:21
Cowhead418
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Both Louis and Andres need to go ASAP, but a tie vote would do the town no good. It seems that both can kill and are still dangerous, though Andres seems to be the more imminent threat. Therefore, I will Vote: Andres and Select: JimBob
Ah, I was beginning to wonder if everybody around here is mafia. But at last it seems that some townies are still alive and paying attention.
How, people, do you think a wiseguy infiltrant operates? Of course you need to go killing and writing suspicious stuff. None of you ever watch Jack Bauer or anything? Yes, I lied. Lots. Can't bake an omelette without breaking an egg, eh?
Once again, what have all these other wiseguys and mafiosi posing as wiseguys to show for their efforts? Very little to nothing at all. Yet, you bandwagon Louis because, 'well...uh...he dealt with mafia and stuff and...uh...there are lots of things I don't understand...and..and...uh...dead dons he brought before justice say he got to die and stuff....':dunce:
Quote:
In my country, Louis would be in the Witness Protection Program, not on death row.
Some people are waking up! :yes:
Here is my wiseguy role-pm. It takes three kills to become made. I made two, n1 and n3, and couldn't go out killing again, so the family had to be outed before last night:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
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WiseGuy
Victory Conditions.
You can chart your own course to victory. You can join a mafia family and work for that family’s victory. You can join a mafia family, try to supplant the Don and become Capo de Tutti Capi yourself. You can form your own Criminal family and try to dominate the others. You can even put crime behind you, change roles, and work for the victory of the town over the mafia. What route you choose is up to you.
Powers and Limitations
A. General
1. You are the raw material for expanding a crime family. Remember that if they are unable to recruit you to their cause, you probably become very “expendable” in their eyes.
2. Teh Red.
B. Day Actions
1. You may vote/select as any other townie.
C. Night Actions
1. Combine with 3 townies you can attempt to kill one target per night (after two successful kills, one of them will become a “Wise Guy” and can progress from there). Such kills only count as “half-credit” for your ascension to Made Gangster (unaffiliated).
2. Combine with 2 townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ and can progress from there; if you do you’ll cease being a Wise Guy.
3. If following two successful protections you are selected as Doctor and refuse, you can choose to become a regular townie. Two further successful protections will result in your promotion to Detective – but in your case you will become a Rogue Detective similar to that occurring in Capo-I.
4. One advantage you have over a townie, while participating in such townie groups, is that should you end up as a “solo” on a save or kill attempt, it is unlikely to get you killed – though there is a chance your identity would be revealed.
5. Combine with 2 other Wise Guys you can attempt to kill one target per night (after three successful kills, one of you (random) will become a “Made Gangster (Unaffiliated)” and can progress from there).
6. Combine with 1 other Wise Guy or Made under the aegis of a Family and you can perform one killing per night (after three successful kills, and with the permission of the family Don, you will become a “Made Gangster” and can progress from there).
D. Investigations
It is probable that, if investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will be discovered as “criminal,” though about one in five Wise Guys will register as “Unclear.” You will only register as “guilty” if you have participated in a non-family-sanctioned killing or a family-sanctioned killing on the night of that killing.
Role Changing
As noted above, you have many options for a role change and can progress readily in that new role. Remember, once you have chosen a path by moving forward into a new role, however, you cannot reconsider and revert.
Again, a wiseguy can choose his path. Mafia or town. It is quite amazing what a creative pro-town wiseguy can achieve.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus
Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
Can a wiseguy, who's killed once, or twice, but isn't a made yet, become a townie still by succesfull protections?
Yes, but not a Doctor
I even double-checked.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes
For a weird reason you didn't want to kill GH, but you attacked him regardless - understanding that you alone wouldn't be able to kill him.
Come on, at least spread convincing disinformation. Either I did kill GH, in which case I would be a made. Or I didn't, in which case I am not a made. I must assure you though that GH is alive and kicking, and that, ergo, I am not a made.
Maybe, that 'weird reason', which took me a lot of PM's and excuses to your family, was in fact that I did not want to rake up the kills, so I could stay town? :smash:
Oh, and in case you are still wondering: those prodding PM's you send me after the failed attack on GH betrayed you as the don to me. Wasn't all that hard to figure out either. Andres confirmed it to me after I blatantly told him you were the don. Then, the next day, after the 'botched' protection of Glenn, I used the pressure on me in the thread to convince Andres to give me the name of the luca as well, so I could properly defend myself. I reminded him that I had already known the name of the don for more than a day, and that if I wanted to betray the family I could've done so already by naming the don. Andres succumbed. Then I outed the family.
So, in the end, it was your prodding PM to me after I had not send in my orders to kill GH that brought the family down. ~;)
With you, Dutch and Tran already out in the open, I had hoped to use Andres a bit longer. Alas, he had enough it seems. :sweatdrop:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_Guy
Well, I'm voting Louis for now. Reasons should, by now, hopefully be obvious enough.
The reasons are obvious enough indeed. However, if I were a townie, I would vote the mafiosi. And not vote along with the self-confessing mafiosi to lynch the person who outed them.
Again, I will express my amazement at this town. Mafiosi can walk up the stage. Openly declare themselves mafia. Tell the town that their family was betrayed. That this is simply not on and an outrage. And that the town should lynch these uppity mafia-hunters immediately.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes
It's time to pay for your actions against the family
I know. But I am simply stunned that the town seems to agree with it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes
I'm still posting because I want to be as helpful as possible to the town
Sure you are.
Let me help the townies though: whatever you do, do not supply the town with mafia names. Your townies will hang you for it. Just sit back real quiet and wait for the mafia to take you out one by one. Under no circumstance, go hunting for mafiosi in any aggressive manner.
Gah! Wimps, this town. :shame:
You all know what to do. There is a clear choice. Kill off a mafia family. Or kill the guy who presented them on a silver platter.
You choose.
How about a triple lynch of confessing mafiosi Dutch_Guy, Andres and Tran? I am quite sure some concerned mafiosi will kill me off coming night anyway, so there is no need for the town to do all the hard work for the mafia...
02-16-2008, 16:40
Louis VI the Fat
Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Leet Eriksson.
Last night, you failed to show up for your protection group. Again. Once is an accident. Twice is deliberate.
The first time you did not show up, it cost us Glenn. He was killed by the Don Corleone balloon mafia.
Last night, you did not show up again. And again, this person was attacked by the Don Corleone buffoon mafia, though doubly-protected just to be sure.
Investigations show you as innocent. Are you the don? Are you Don Corleone himself?
Come on Louis - I had the opportunity to promote you to Made and I took it. I know this doesn't tie in completely with the rules, but I was, simple as that - Seamus didn't tell me otherwise, so I have no reason to doubt that you are currently at Made status.
So you are saying you tricked Andres into telling you the Luca's identity? He would have mentioned it if you had, and wouldn't have simply let us think you were still ignorant to it all. I told you everything, and thirteen hours later you revealed it publicly. Andres probably can confirm this.
Really, from the side of somebody who has seen the entire event unfold, your responses are extremely laughable.
02-16-2008, 16:56
Andres
Re: Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Here is my wiseguy role-pm.
Hey, that one looks exactly like the one I posted :inquisitive:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Come on, at least spread convincing disinformation. Either I did kill GH, in which case I would be a made. Or I didn't, in which case I am not a made. I must assure you though that GH is alive and kicking, and that, ergo, I am not a made.
Some can become a Made faster then others. And that's all I am allowed to say. Smart townies and mafiosi will draw their own conclusions.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
With you, Dutch and Tran already out in the open, I had hoped to use Andres a bit longer. Alas, he had enough it seems. :sweatdrop:
I respected Don Omanes. I was not willing to serve the treacherous Don Louis...
@Prole: you were attacked by the Stracci family, so it seems. D_G and me sent in a nice story in which we left the town with Omanes' ring, to bring it to his son, the new Don. Pretty much like Seamus wrote you and Reenk out of the story in Capo I. Alas, writing out you and Reenk fitted the story, because it was also the end of the game. He refused to let us leave like that, in mid-game. Draw your own conclusions.
02-16-2008, 16:59
Proletariat
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Your family may not be able to suicide, but can we get a clarification from Seamus on whether or not the Stracchis are allowed to put a sock in it?
Like Kukri said, if this was Amurika, Louis would be living anonymously in a Reno suburb playing the slot machines all day with tax payer money while his FBI detail fetches him cigarettes and booze.
Well I'm not going to leave it a tie unvote:louis, Vote:Andres
Remember yesterday louis didn't want to lynch any of the stracchi's because they "were no longer any threat".
02-16-2008, 17:15
Andres
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Select : Andres
The only one I can trust at the moment.
EDIT: why are we not lynching BKS? He is clearly suspicious imo.
02-16-2008, 17:26
Haudegen
AW: Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites
:rolleyes:
Come on Louis - I had the opportunity to promote you to Made and I took it. I know this doesn't tie in completely with the rules, but I was, Simple as that - Seamus didn't tell me otherwise, so I have no reason to doubt that you are currently at Made status.
Well, you presume that Seamus tells one player (you) the content of another player´s (Louis) private actions? Where in the rules is written that the host has to inform the don about a refused promotion? I guess there is no explicit rule, but ambiguity is the spirit of this game, eh? Therefore I think there is a chance that Louis wasn´t promoted.
Perhaps Seamus can shed some light on this? Or, on the other hand: Seamus don´t answer that. Let the Dons get paranoid with their recruits :beam:
PS: Louis´ selection is invalid, he didn´t sack his earlier selection.
Last night, you failed to show up for your protection group. Again. Once is an accident. Twice is deliberate.
The first time you did not show up, it cost us Glenn. He was killed by the Don Corleone balloon mafia.
Last night, you did not show up again. And again, this person was attacked by the Don Corleone buffoon mafia, though doubly-protected just to be sure.
Investigations show you as innocent. Are you the don? Are you Don Corleone himself?
Before I forget: Select: JimBob
May I ask what time you got him in the protection group? Because he said in a pm to me you didn't contact him last night (22:00 GMT). So if you pmed him before then... Leet lied :laugh4:
I want the mafia to take over you petty townspeople.
Mafia Dons, you can use me as your coordination/organisation center. My pm box is open. I'll act as a neutral pro-mafia player trying to help where I can. You can also use me to bring over messages, to arrange deals between two families and for diplomatic purposes. I have absolutely no interest in betraying or backstabbing any of the families, so your identities are safe with me.
If you have important messages to send and you need to be 100 % sure nobody catches you sending them or me reading them (some of the participants in this game can see through invisible mode), Don Corleone (aka Don Capi) knows how to reach me ~;)
Good luck mafiosi :2thumbsup:
EDIT : Seamus, if this would not be allowed, please drop me a pm.
02-16-2008, 18:36
Caius
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
I dont see the point of throwing suspiction to BKS, Andres.
02-16-2008, 18:37
Caeser The III
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
sorry u havent been very active guy, very busy lately
02-16-2008, 18:42
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
I dont see the point of throwing suspiction to BKS, Andres.
As you can see from Louis' opening up of our private area, we originally thought BKS to be a wise guy. I'm not quite sure who Andres' source was, but it may be possible that this information could indicate that he could possibly be a Made or a Luca.
02-16-2008, 18:49
Louis VI the Fat
Re : AW: Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
I can not be a made. *Sigh*
It's right there Seamus' rules thread, under 'roles': A Wiseguy becomes a “Made gangster” after having participating in 3 killings for a family
There is absiolutely no way that I can have made these three kills. Only LordWinter died on n2. He was not killed by the Stracchi's. You can check the write-ups.
I am not even going to bother replying to every allegation from the living Stracchi members. Firstly, their statements all contradict each other. Much more importantly: they lied they were going to commit suicide. Apparantly, they did not. Kill them now before they re-group or join up with other families for a killing spree tonight.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
Remember yesterday louis didn't want to lynch any of the stracchi's because they "were no longer any threat".
I did indeed.
a) There were other more imminent threats than a family who was already outed. This family was for all practical purposes dead, so stopping other families might've been beter, I felt.
b) I had hoped the other families might take out some Stracchi's last night. You know, following the mafia logic that they are either with their own family or have joined up with others and are hence a threat. :idea2:
This is what happens in normal games. Apparently though, there really is some sort of a truce between the families.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
PS: Louis´ selection is invalid, he didn´t sack his earlier selection.
Much more importantly: they lied they were going to commit suicide. Apparantly, they did not. Kill them now before they re-group or join up with other families for a killing spree tonight.
Seamus offered me your promotion, and I accepted it. I was not told otherwise. Why else would I have revealed everything to you? As you can see in the posts you salvaged from our private area, I made it a strict policy to keep as much as possible secret from wise guys - only when they were Mades would everything be revealed to them.
I feel the need to enquire - why do you somehow think you were an exception to my secrecy policy? Technically speaking you are a Made Stracchi and there is no way of denying it.
02-16-2008, 19:22
woad&fangs
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Yes, let's all believe the Don of the family Louis betrayed. That's not a biased source of information
[/sarcasm]
That being said, louis is still a good lynch candidate in the future.
02-16-2008, 19:24
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
Yes, let's all believe the Don of the family Louis betrayed. That's not a biased source of information
[/sarcasm]
Yes I may be bias, but I'm being completely truthful as I have been throughout this game - even when I was a living Don, I didn't formulate a single lie, and everything I said was completely honest. I was only selective in what I told you.
02-16-2008, 19:28
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
I can not be a made. *Sigh*
It's right there Seamus' rules thread, under 'roles': A Wiseguy becomes a “Made gangster” after having participating in 3 killings for a family
There is absiolutely no way that I can have made these three kills. Only LordWinter died on n2. He was not killed by the Stracchi's. You can check the write-ups.
On the other hand, the private messages from Omanes indicate that he was under no conditions going to reveal himself to you unless you became a made. He also claimed on the private board that you had been promoted by Seamus. I find it more believable that there is a loophole in the rules (such as the previously unexplained one that allows dons to live thorugh one attack attempt) than that Omanes would change his mind on this and then lie about why in private.
02-16-2008, 19:29
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites
I'm going to repeat myself Louis:
Seamus offered me your promotion, and I accepted it. I was not told otherwise. Why else would I have revealed everything to you? As you can see in the posts you salvaged from our private area, I made it a strict policy to keep as much as possible secret from wise guys - only when they were Mades would everything be revealed to them.
I feel the need to enquire - why do you somehow think you were an exception to my secrecy policy? Technically speaking you are a Made Stracchi and there is no way of denying it.
What happened to the big bold text and the "that felt good" at the bottom?
I was all ready to post this picture of Emperor Palpatine with a caption of "Let the hate flow through you!" :cry:
02-16-2008, 19:39
Drisos
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Andres, you actually want to be the bad guy, eh? I'm sorry I couldn't do it here, hopefully I'll get a chance to lynch you in Capo III. :furious3:
02-16-2008, 19:40
Andres
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Besides, Dutch and I sent the description of our suicde to Seamus, which was refused.
The second attempt on Prole was done by somebody with an Asian face and his accomplice used the phrase "Sayonara Fatlington"...
If it wasn't me or Dutch, then who was responsible for this obvious Stracci murder attempt, eh?
02-16-2008, 20:29
Seamus Fermanagh
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Day 5 voting and selection is concluded. I will post the summary as soon as possible with my schedule.
Nighttime PMs may begin. These must be turned in to me by 2200 17 Feb 08 (that's GMT 0300 on the 18th). Again, I will turn this around as soon as possible but the 18th is both a holiday and my birthday. Hosting drunk is likely to be a poor choice, so I may slow my response a bit. Be patient.
02-16-2008, 20:31
Husar
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
If it wasn't me or Dutch, then who was responsible for this obvious Stracci murder attempt, eh?
I'm taking a guess, but maybe your wannabe-made Tran or Ichigo or anyone else you're keeping under wraps who planned to join your family. And that's only if we can believe you anyway.
And then there are still four other families left who can happily watch as the town struggles to take even the Stracchis apart.
02-16-2008, 21:31
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
What happened to the big bold text and the "that felt good" at the bottom?
I was all ready to post this picture of Emperor Palpatine with a caption of "Let the hate flow through you!" :cry:
I'm quick on the edit button ~;)
02-16-2008, 21:34
Louis VI the Fat
Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Voting concluded! I'm still alive! :jumping:
All you sukka's fell for it and I shall now order my mighty family to take you all out and
02-16-2008, 21:43
Andres
Re: Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Voting concluded! I'm still alive! :jumping:
*** abuses moderator powers to edit all posts and change them to Vote : Louis ***
02-16-2008, 21:57
Husar
Re: Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Voting concluded! I'm still alive! :jumping:
All you sukka's fell for it and I shall now order my mighty family to take you all out and
:vulcan:
02-16-2008, 22:14
shlin28
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Voting concluded! I'm still alive! :jumping:
All you sukka's fell for it and I shall now order my mighty family to take you all out and
TRAITOR!
Guess you got a bunch of wise guys to join you?
02-16-2008, 22:32
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
It was Seamus' mistake apparently - he's just told me that Louis wasn't a made after all, and he'd accidentally sent out the PM to me offering the promotion. Louis was not asked whether he approved of the promotion, and he wasn't sent out a Role PM. It turns out I was mistaken without knowing it, and Louis was telling to truth to a certain extent.
In all honesty, all along I was positive that his defence and some of his actions seemed un-mafia like. I just let the "facts" I had at my disposal at the time get in the way of me believing him.
I henceforth apologise to Louis and take back all I said - Louis is probably pro-town, so, if you aren't a mafioso, you may want to let him live. If you are a mafioso, well, I wouldn't mind you performing some form of vengeance on my behalf.
:wall:
02-16-2008, 22:40
Andres
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites
It was Seamus' mistake apparently - he's just told me that Louis wasn't a made after all, and he'd accidentally sent out the PM to me offering the promotion. Louis was not asked whether he approved of the promotion, and he wasn't sent out a Role PM. It turns out I was mistaken without knowing it, and Louis was telling to truth to a certain extent.
In all honesty, all along I was positive that his defence seemed un-mafia like. I just let the "facts" get in the way of me believing him.
I henceforth apologise to Louis and take back all I said - Louis is probably pro-town, so, if you aren't a mafioso, you may want to let him live. If you are a mafioso, well, I wouldn't mind you performing some form of vengeance on my behalf.
:wall:
Yes, let Louis live! He's pro-town! Believe us!
02-16-2008, 22:43
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Yes, let Louis live! He's pro-town! Believe us!
I'm just as unhappy about Louis' betrayal as you are, but I feel the need to reveal the facts and nothing but the facts now. Louis may have betrayed us, but I've in all essentials turned straight - there is no reason beyond revenge to keep the town in the dark. Besides, it may increase their trust in me, hopefully allowing me to be a little more useful in the obliteration of the other mafia families.
02-16-2008, 22:53
Andres
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites
I'm just as unhappy about Louis' betrayal as you are, but I feel the need to reveal the facts and nothing but the facts now. Louis may have betrayed us, but I've in all essentials turned straight - there is no reason beyond revenge to keep the town in the dark. Besides, it may increase their trust in me, hopefully allowing me to be a little more useful in the obliteration of the other mafia families.
Too much lurkers not really participating. Town deserves to lose :no:
02-16-2008, 23:22
TinCow
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Regardless, Louis is still untrustworthy. Do not forget that he is personally responsible for Glenn's death and he lied to cover it up. I guarantee you that if Louis had just told Husar and I that he hadn't sent his Orders in, we would've been irked, but we would've moved on without attacking him. It is Louis' constant lying that makes him untrustworthy. He needs to be lynched as soon as we can arrange it, whether solo or part of a multi, it doesn't matter. No townie group will trust him. No mafia group will trust him. Let's dispose of whem whenever it becomes convenient.
02-16-2008, 23:41
Seamus Fermanagh
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
This is main thread post #
“I can feel no sense of measure
No illusions as we take
Refuge in young man's pleasure
Breaking down the dreams we make
Real
Ah leave it
Ah leave it
Goodbye goodbye goodbye bad
Hello hello heaven
Goodbye goodbye goodbye bad
Hello hello heaven
One down one to go
Another town and one more show”
--Squire/Rabin/Horne
Sunset, Day Five
All of these meetings seemed fractious now. Arguments would rage back and forth, accusations and dismissals were flung about with abandon. In the end, it always came down to a vote…
"Andres do you have any last words?" Louis VI the Fat asked.
"Indeed I do! Ladies and gentlemen, may I present to you the star of tonight:
The Stracci family's most talented singer:
Andres!"
:applause: :applause: :applause:
"Thank you, thank you! I have another song ready for you, my favourite audience."
:applause: :applause: :applause:
"I like that enthousiasm! Kudos to Vaya con Dios for the original version of this wonderful song. Ladies an gentlemen, may I have your attention for "Stracci, don't cry for Louis."
He gave up all my friends
My friends from out of town
Bought himself what he wanted
Yes he let us down
When he saw me crying
He said I was a wuss
When my heart was bleeding
He turned around and laughed
Stracci's don't cry for Louis
Louis wouldn't cry for you
When you walk the streets for Louis
You better watch out for what Louis tells you
I met Louis on a hazy morning
When the bars where closing down
He said Andres I really like your family
You and I we'll burn this town
This traitor, sir, mislead me
Hurt me in my pride
Who are you to judge me?
Who are you to take his side?
He cheated on me mister
Told me nothing but lies
I just had to teach him
Not to overstep the line
Stracci don't cry for Louis
He wouldn't waste a tear on you
When you walk the streets for Louis
You ain't walking down no avenue
I met Louis on an early morning
In a sleazy part of town
I was tipsy and feeling kind'a lonely
Louis offered me his arm
He said: you and I we'll burn this town
He said: you and I we'll burn this town
:bow:
:applause: :applause: :applause:
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, thank you
:bow:
:applause: :applause: :applause:
You're a fantastic audience!
:bow:
:applause: :applause: :applause:
Thank you so much! Thank y...
*BANG*:skull:
Andres fell down, a bullet in his head marking the end to his musical extravaganza with a .38 caliber grace note. Muldoon seemed happy to oblige Louis again, but the Committee was surprisingly dismayed by the sudden end to the entertainment. Some even shouted their dismay!
"Enough of this! What's wrong with you townspeople? This was a dirty mafia scumbag, yet you all love him?"
Louis rolled his eyes in disgust.
"I handed you the Stracchis on a platter and you barely vote for their lead killer over me? You are NOT getting it people. Wake up!"
"Here, maybe you can knock some sense into them," said Louis, handing the gavel to JimBob.
"Kill him!" several in the crowd yelled, "Kill the director!"
"Fools!" the director yelled at them. "Idiots! He was a natural born killer! A danger for this town! Gah! How could you still even have considered to let him live?"
The cursing director had to be escorted by his bodyguards to a safe spot, the charged up and semi-irrational crowd still yelling and screaming for his blood and arguing over who would be lynched next.
It would clearly be another restful night...
...not.
OOC
As noted, night PM deadline is 2200 EST 17 Feb 08. I’ll keep as up to schedule as I can.
Dutch_guy can be ignored for tonight, with our limited resources. His Don and partner have been killed, and his Don says he is helping the town. I don't think he is the most immediate threat.
CR
02-17-2008, 00:32
Andres
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Crazed Rabbit, are you mafia?
02-17-2008, 00:34
Crazed Rabbit
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
:inquisitive:
Are you trying to bring out 'the truth'?
In any case - no.
CR
02-17-2008, 00:43
Andres
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
An ambiguous answer. I say Crazed Rabbit is the lynch for tomorrow :hanged:
Start writing your own lynch description :whip:
02-17-2008, 00:58
Crazed Rabbit
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Oh, that's hilarious.
:beam:
CR
02-17-2008, 01:37
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
New detective result
KukriKhan:Criminal
02-17-2008, 01:53
naut
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
An interesting outcome, so most likely a member of a no-kill mafia family, unless Seamus decided to make most people wise-guys. And 1 result indicates your source is a Made.
02-17-2008, 02:34
Louis VI the Fat
Re : Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
New detective result
KukriKhan:Criminal
When did you get this result and why do you post it now?
02-17-2008, 03:08
KukriKhan
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
New detective result
KukriKhan:Criminal
Untrue.
Especially since I was on the two (successful) protection crews you organized the past two nights.
Maybe you ought to double-check your source, who's given you an alleged investigation result a full 16 hours after the end of the last night phase - no offense (I know you're an experienced mafia player) but you might be being played.
Unless you're playing fast and loose with the truth.. And the two protected players are part of your 'real' mafia team, and you attempt a distraction here?
Or, to be fair, it could be that 1 in 6-8 townie thingee Seamus put in the rules
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus
A townie has no special abilities – at least at the start. Most Townies will appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective, though 1 in 6-8 will appear “criminal” despite their innocence.
02-17-2008, 04:11
Sarathos
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
New detective result
KukriKhan:Criminal
Sasaki, if you are telling the truth and you either are the detective or are posting for the dectective, you are going to have mafia all over you.
Bad move. :bomb:
02-17-2008, 04:30
Caius
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Im starting to think that Sasaki is playing with us, or someone is playing with Sasaki, who is spreading bad results thanks to whoever is playing with him.
