The Settlement [Concluded]

Indeed. The plebs are becoming increasingly numerous so we must resort to our superior intelect as to counter the bruteness of those plebians.

Anyways, there are a few lurkers who I don't recall having said much throughout the thread, which are taka, Ichigo and Tristan de Castelrang.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

He's too quiet and his last post (I mean the accusation of TinCow doesn't seem to flow naturally. It seems a bit constructed, like he was putting it together rather than writing his own thoughts.

Sigurd is being a bit too quiet for my taste as well...granted we lynched him for lurking last game :juggle2:

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I had a very busy week-end and yesterday I was busy at work and with my other Org duties (MP forum).

I haven't been able to pay proper attention to this game, sorry. In fact, I didn't pay much attention to the whole Gameroom the last three days :shame:

What I was trying to say, was that TinCow's defense of Ares connected them both. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but TinCow defended Ares from the very start, when it was not certain that he was getting lynched.

The fact that Ares is as good as certain scum, makes the connection between both even more interesting.

However, when reading TC's posts more carefully, he sounds rather sincere to me:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Am I the only person here who finds it extremely convenient that we have simply been told who was guilty? Even if that was the result of a so-called "watcher," presumably the watcher would simply have that information themselves and then have to produce it to the rest of us. It seems absurdly suspicious that a completely anonymous 'stone' was left on the body to convince us all of what happened. How do we know that this stone wasn't placed there by the killer?

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This is not a silly assumption. In fact, I got framed in Midgard (I or II?) by the rune stones which indicated my guilt, while I was just a plain old townie.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I see nothing in that role PM that leaps out as being fake. Why do you think it is?

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Me neither. I think that first role pm was genuine, but I'm also sure Reenk would have provided the mafia with townie pm's, otherwise this game would be over rather fast for them.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

1) Actually, yes, because I feel like Ares is the kind of person I would be able to sway with my arguments if I felt the need to. I don't feel particularly threatened by him as a player and I think I would stand a far better chance at spotting an irregularity in his behavior than I would in someone like you, GH, Andres, etc.

2) Yes, anyone. The way I see it, Ares has probably been framed, which means he's innocent. Thus, anyone is a better choice than Ares.

Let me ask you a question: Are you so afraid of Ares that you think we won't be able to spot his scuminess unless we lynch him right here and right now?

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TinCow just follows his own logic. He believes Ares is framed, ergo Ares is innocent. Everyone is a better lynch candidate, because according to TinCow who sticks to his own asumption, Ares is certainly innocent.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

You guys need to read that role PM. Are you honestly telling me that Ares, of all people, forged that in 15 minutes? The quote with a joke in it and the entire writing style are entirely consistent with the role PM Reenk sent to me. It takes me 30 minutes to do a decent role forgery. I don't mean to be insulting to Ares, but his writing style leaves a lot to be desired. I simply don't think he could have faked that in the short period of time he had. If it is fake, someone else wrote it for him and he had it before ATPG said anything to him.

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He's still convinced about the role pm being genuine. However, he still doesn't consider the possibility of the mafia having fake role pm's.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

You are wrong about this. Occam's razor points to his innocence because:


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When do we ever get this good of a day one lynch?

We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not. Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups.

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Ok. A discussion about who has the best Occam's razor. Whatever.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I think the discussion about whether Ares' role PM was fake or not is pointless. All this talk about the presence or lack of an introduction line is a waste of time. If that role PM is fake, it was an extremely good forgery. It mimics Reenk's writing style perfectly, and is laced with just the proper amount of humor throughout. No one would make that good of a forgery and then not put in the standard greeting line that we ALL got. It is far more likely that Ares is telling the truth and didn't post it at first because he didn't think it was actually part of the role. This is consistent with him not posting the joke earlier as well. As for the formating, I've seen that happen many times with real role PMs. It happens when people simply highlight and copy what they see in their PM box instead of hitting reply and using the formated text inside the reply box. The better point of discussion is whether the current situation seems like a frame attempt or whether it seems like a legitimate reveal of a mafioso.

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Still hammering on the fact if the pm is fake, it has to be forged byt Ares, disregarding the possibilities that a) it was provided by Reenk himself; b) one of his team members faked it. TinCow is right in that missing the first line of the role pm in itself isn't proof of the role pm being fake. I personally think the role pm is "genuine" as in "provided by Reenk".

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Also...

Vote: FactionHeir

I agree with Sasaki and GH that his reply raised an eyebrow. This line in particular seems like a typical mafioso attempt to participate in discussion and analysis without actually saying anything:

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Votes FactionHeir for a silly reason, imo.

The rest is less important, because then we get Ares SK reveal which confirms his guilt.

All in all, TinCow seemed very consistent in his defense of Ares and he sticked to his opinion.

Unvote : TinCow

Meh, it's night. :wall:

EDIT: I have to be guilty, since a mafioso would know when it's night and when it's day.

The clientele had thinned out a bit at the Dog & :daisy:

Despite the generous servings of lamb kebabs served with a mutton stew, those drinkers who were still warming their various parts at the fire and supping of the good stuff had not the same humour about them as on previous nights.

What had begun as an adventure had swiftly twisted into something of a nightmare and much of what the settlers wished to discuss with one another remained unsaid... scattered into the pit of grief they felt when they thought of the friends they had lost since their voyage began. But it was not just grief that held their tongues: Also they were silenced by the choking grip of fear.. fear for their own lives; fear spelt out in the distrust which pierced the air between them and fear for who... or what might be waiting for them after the fire's embers died down.

"Shame about awww them sheep wunnit really"

"Chomp!, scrontch! Slurp!"

"O yarrr, foine flock"

"Lovely drippin' pass that bread"

"So whass all this about the bloke who turned into a fish again?"

"Some koind of Religious row that one... bess left to the priests if you ask me"

"Oi thort at first it might be the Good Men who were behoind all this trubble, but now..."

"Nah. All in the same boat we are - even since reachin' droi laaaaaand."

"True enough my Man, Us Good Men may lack your numbers, but our quality shines through in our service to the Priest King, in a manner quite unachievable to those of your station"

"Eh? do you want a sla.."

"Shurrup! we're all friends here.."


The sentence hung in the cool evening air and wafted up with the motes of ash into the dark. Despite the sense of fraternity between many of the Settlers, it was clear that there were those amongst them who were NOT their friends....not friends at all.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Tincow, you now seem...withdrawn...once having posted your defense to Sasaki's comments.

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I'm more active when I'm at work than when I'm at home, because when I'm at home these days I'm playing ETW or watching TV. Thus, for a while now I've only been posting in the evenings when it's something short that I can respond to quickly, or if it is urgent. Public posts in this game do not usually tend to be either. In relation to Day 2 in specific, I also felt like I had contributed everything that I had that was worth saying. I gave my defense to Sasaki and that's the only reply I've got to his accusations. There's no point in me saying anything further because my original statement was the truth and I don't see any utility in pounding it into peoples heads with multiple posts.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

FoS: TinCow, Yoyoma1910, GeneralHankerchief, Jolt, shlin28

Too willing to lynch someone who was quite obviously innocent, even after he committed to death.

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"Quite obviously innocent." Yes, you get yourself into this situation in every single game because you're so clearly innocent every single time. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

"Quite obviously innocent." Yes, you get yourself into this situation in every single game because you're so clearly innocent every single time. :laugh4:

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LOL

You know, eventually you guys will figure me out. But so far, you've been off the mark quite a bit. You'd think I'd be slightly more careful with my life when I am mafia than to piddle it all away by leaving the vote on myself, keeping that challenge going until seireikhaan dropped it himself, and so on and so forth.

Ooops, sorry, I apologize, dead men tell no loies. I were mafiarr aw this time, 'ow did you know? Wot were the big giveaway? :laugh4: In all seriousness, you guys just collectively farted on a mason, then lit the match and let me burn to death. Soon enough, my partner will reveal himself and explain just how silly that was of you.

Oh, but it wer the woine in front 'o me, Mister TinCow, 'ad to bee, 'ad to bee. If there were woine, and it wer in fron' o meeee, yarr, Oi must've put the poison init, because that way, you'd think I were innocent; yarr but it didn't turn ot tharrr way, dinnit? But wot if I put the woine... in fron' of yoooouuu.... that moight be a bit more clever, it moight be, it moight be... but only a fool wuld drink it, yarr??? So it moost be tha woine in front 'o me.... but per'aps I'm clever enooof not to be soo ovvious, moiybe I put the woine in fron't of yooouu....

That was a baaaaaad thing you did with your sheep, Pizza. You should have skipped town entirely...taken it on the lamb as it were.....


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Listen, if some of you men had thunk just a little bit into the future, you'd have remembered to bring some women along. Perhaps not on the ship, that's bad luck, but even if they were tied to a rope and floating outside the boat...

Maybe they could have been used to catch some really really big fish. Or a mermaid! I'd bag one of those.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

You know, eventually you guys will figure me out. But so far, you've been off the mark quite a bit. You'd think I'd be slightly more careful with my life when I am mafia than to piddle it all away by leaving the vote on myself, keeping that challenge going until seireikhaan dropped it himself, and so on and so forth.

Ooops, sorry, I apologize, dead men tell no loies. I were mafiarr aw this time, 'ow did you know? Wot were the big giveaway? :laugh4: In all seriousness, you guys just collectively farted on a mason, then lit the match and let me burn to death. Soon enough, my partner will reveal himself and explain just how silly that was of you.

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The basic flaw with the above statements is that you're acting like we're all incredibly selfless townies. Some of us are mafia, some of us are townies who still want other townies dead, and some of us are regular townies who just want to remain alive. You make yourself an easy target, so people exploit it. You get lynched because it's an easy way to distract the vote from themselves or other vulnerable people, or to otherwise obscure a vulnerability in their position or buy time. People don't have to actually think that you're mafia to vote for you. They can fully believe that you're a townie, but be perfectly happy using you as a meat shield against the lynch. It's not a coincidence that I pushed for your lynch in a round when I was under attack.

Hehehe.... you're welcome.

Note: I shall be at a funeral tomorrow and have v. limited internet access. Will try to check comp in the morning before we leave (GMT)

It is unfortunate ATPG died... it usually is.... when he gets lynched he's never usually one of my suspects... unfortunatly there where quite a few innocents in the lynch list i think... no one really deserving of my suspicion... hopefully we have something better to go on next turn...

FoS: LittleGrizzly

Sympathy now is useless to me. :laugh2:


(j/k)

*Makes silent prayer to OsiOsi and his divine servant Reenk Roink for protection through the coming night*

I don't want you guys killing each other whilst I'm gone... got it?

*snoreS*

Mmmm... sweet, sweet death. How I love thee. Let me count the ways. I'm already up to 665.... just one more. If I cap myself in pevergreen's game, I'm changing my title to "Suicide King". That would be 4 games in a row I offered/succeeded in killing myself. :7king:

The dirt feels so good between my toes... the worms feel so good between my organs.

Maybe you could try being a useful townie for more than one or two turns ?

Think about it if you ever get a power town role people will lynch you for not doing your usual offering yourself strategy... or if you get mafia role... i care less about the second one though...

Edit: Thinking about it i hope to god your never my mafia partner!

LG-

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I've been on the winning team in all 4 games I've been mafia in. Just so you know.

All I am saying is that there is room for unorthodox strategies. Didn't we just learn this in the Godfather game from Reenk Roink?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

LG-

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I've been on the winning team in all 4 games I've been mafia in. Just so you know.

All I am saying is that there is room for unorthodox strategies. Didn't we just learn this in the Godfather game from Reenk Roink?

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Hardly unorthodox... :snobby:

You're as unorthodox as they come, Reenkster.

That's a compliment, by the way. You had me in the palm of your hands last game, and totally derailed my train of thought.

:bow: to the master.

Was reveal after dead allowed?

yes, absolutely. All I can't do after I am dead is quote PM's, I think, according to the rules.

So now, the only person who can reveal the proof of all your role PM's that you sent me is my partner, and I don't want him to do that. Best to protect everyone for as long as necessary.


Edit: And my apologies, GeneralHankerchief; but it seems Godfather will be de-throned after all. :shame:

The reason the night has been extended if you're wondering is to shuffle up some of the timings which I had planned to do (and thank god I got the most inconvenient one out of the way from the start :laugh4:). The new timings will be around 15:00 - 20:00 EST for a couple of rounds (this night will end no later than 20:00).

This is a chance for you late PM senders, take it! :bow:

Night has ended, writeup coming.

Hopefully we have a more peaceful night tonight...

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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

Hopefully we have a more peaceful night tonight...

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:sweatdrop::sweatdrop: I know I am dead......:juggle2:

any reason why?

Strange. Forgive me, White_eyes, but you're lynch bait at the moment for your odd behavior thus far. I don't see why the mafia would murder you.

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Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder

any reason why?

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because it feels like super powered roles are running around:juggle2:.....and I got nothing to fight back with but my trusty hoe.:scared:

You claimed to be a farmer, didn't you White_Eyes?

Farmer=Hoe(farming tool)=tilling the fields....I have no way to fight anyone....and I also have no way to vote anyone to death....I only count as one vote.....:sweatdrop: means I am screwed...:clown: