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My Arvernian empire in 241 BC
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Began the campaign with kicking Aedui out from the Gallic heartlands, built economy for several years before I got a S/C/V general to begin my almost peaceful unification of Gaul. At the moment I'm at war with Romans, got few veteran stacks and one fresh stack ready to sack Rome, just need to finish retraining.
Really fun campaign this far, after sacking Rome it's probably time to wipe Sweboz out.
Mines jsut an epic 19 yr old Arverni Terminator who exterminated Italy and conquered Germania :P
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The Republic of Qart Hadasht, ca. 219 BCE
The last ten years have been an island of peace and tranquility in a sea of war and destruction. Ever since I conquered the Lusotana by killing their entire royal dynasty, making their remaining settlements fall into anarchy, I have been rebuilding Iberia and upgrading my military infrastructure. (I just got the reforms this turn.) Even though I am nominally at war with both the Romans to my north and the Egyptians to my east, they have refrained from attacking me thanks to their grinding wars with the Macedonians and Seleucids respectively. My huge garrisons in Cyrenaica and Sicilia also help in dissuading the offenders from attacking again, even though they both have armies standing just outside my territory.
I have, at the moment two 'standing' armies, one stationed near Emporion and one near Qart Hadasht, though this last one is only at half-strength. Now that my military reforms have come through, my next task is to build an army to take on the Romans. I've upgraded all my mines in Iberia, so I'm getting roughly 30 000 mnai per turn. This money should allow me to build a nice army, I think. With elephants perhaps.
I need to mention three of my generals, who have made quite a name for themselves in my campaign:
- Massinissa - Son of the current Sophet, led the campaign against the Lusotana, captured most of their settlements. In the final battle against their king he led our forces, heavily outnumbered to a heroic victory, but sadly perished himself, fighting against the enemy king.
- Gades Mastia - Client King of Suguntum, led the heroic defence of Suguntum and, with the city's garrison force, vanquished the enemy, despite being heavily outnumbered and outclassed. Sadly died in the struggle for the city's walls.
- Abdmelqart - Leader of the 3rd 'light' army and in charge of the Island campaign. After the Hellenic League fell apart the senate felt it prudent to move into the aegean by capturing Kreta and Rhodos. The small garrison of Kreta posed no threat to our 3rd army and its settlement was easily conquered, but our reconnaissance had reported a huge army of levy hoplites and skirmishers on Rhodos. Over-confident in his abilities, General Abdmelqart charged the beaches of Rhodos against an army twice as large as his own. Our army was outflanked on both sides and, with the sea in their backs, our forces had no where to run and were completely slaughtered. Of the 1500 men in the 3rd army, only 41 managed to make it back to the ships. Among them of course, the coward General. He was summoned back to Qart Hadasht where he was prompty crucified.
Nice game!
161 BC.
Still seeing oddly passive AI behavior for a VH game. I sent two legions to give the Qarthadastim the boot out of Iberia, and when that was accomplished I fully expected the Lusos - a protectorate of the Qarthadastim - to attack me with their 6 fulls stacks running around not doing much of anything.
But that never happened, so I sent my Hispania Ulterior legion to to take the remaining QH coastal provinces. I've left them the desert provinces and Lepki as a buffer to the mighty Ptolemaoi. I've shipped that general back to Rome to celebrate his triumph, and then it's back to Iberia. I suppose I'm going to have to be the aggressor against the Luso's, starting with Arse.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
To the north, the peace with the Aedui has held since the game's second turn, and I've periodically given them settlements that I've taken from the Averni when I feel they've gotten too powerful. But after a tough battle to take Gergovia, the Aedui are now refusing to take it, even with Force Diplomacy. :inquisitive:
After being attacked by the Sweboz, I've taken Mediolanum off them, and they send wave after wave of troops trying to get it back to no avail. :laugh4:
On the eastern front, it's more AI passiveness, as I've held borders with the KH and Epiros for years with no attacks. Epiros have lost all their Adriatic holdings and have many full stacks wandering around doing nothing.
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I'm wondering if being a protectorate kills the aggressiveness of a faction. Both the KH and Epiros are protectorates of the Ptolemy's, and the Luso's with the QH.
I wish i had that AI passivness. Lost 3 good generals to massive elite Epirote attacks at Patavium. My fault I guess for leaving a skeleton garrison. Maybe your problem is the massive garrisons scaring their attacks off? Who knows, count yourself lucky though.
If you simply offer a city, with the ability for the AI to choose what they give in return, or even as a gift I think, the AI can refuse even with force diplomacy. You need to request something back at the same time, like 1 mnai or something.
It is nice not to have to fight wars on five different fronts, yes. The problem is I don't like to be too aggressive and now that I've pretty much neutered the QH, and don't wish to expand north, I'm left with not much to do but watch the KH and Epiros amass huge armies and wander around aimlessly. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blxz
Thanks, I'll have to give that a try next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanit
I find map information is the best thing to offer/request in return for whatever you're trying to give/take with Force Diplomacy.
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Olbia and Syrakousai were mine in the round finish
But... Why did I take it before the end?
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~Jirisys (All Hail Hellenon!:clown:)
Finally learned how to take screenshots with my system! :D (-ne switch on the shortcut).
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The Koinon Hellenon as of 241 BC. I recently had to intervene in Asia Minor to try to contain the Seleukids. Originally the plan was to use the Macedons for that, once I kicked them out of greece, but they've stubbornly refused to attack each other. Instead their provinces will serve as a beachhead for my conquest, and Macedon will have to try and contend with the Getai instead... :book:
All factions I made protectorates lost their aggressivness, if it's the same for AI factions I don't know, but it seems so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Africanus
Yes, I tried that earlier and it worked. Unfortunately, it didn't work with Gergovia. It's too late now as I've decided to keep Gergovia and have started building infrastructure. I plan on soon relieving the Sweboz of one of their settlements in retaliation for their constant attacks on me, so I'll try giving it to the Aedui once again.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius
The KH are protectorates of the Ptolemaoi no more as the two factions are now at war, so I'll get to see if the aggressiveness of the KH changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rahl
You're right, it's not a guaranteed item of exchange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Africanus
Have you considered giving the ex-Sweboz settlement to the Casse? Danger of giving it to the Aedui is the Arverni or Sweboz will just take it off them. Give it to someone else and you change the dynamic.
Bodmelqart crosses the Alps
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Spring 212BCE
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Summer 212BCE
Casualties:
Carthaginian ~850
Roman ~9000
First battle was at the river crossing north of Massalia. My army, fresh from the barracks, was besieging Massalia from the north, standing on the bridge, while an army of 3000 Romans attacked me from the north. At the same time, the 1000 Romans in Massalia sallied. I put my hoplites in a semi-circle around my side of the bridge while my Spanish and Garamantine troops crossed a ford a little to the east with my elephants. In no time at all I had 3000 Romans trapped on a bridge far too small for that number of troops with Elephants rampaging through the ranks. When my cavalry destroyed the reinforcements from Massalia, the men on the bridge were overwhelmed with panic and were all slaughtered while trying to escape.
The second battle was for a hill-top in the middle of the Alps. 2000 Romans had occupied it and it took the combined efforts of my heavy infantry and elephants to route them. What remained of the elephants from the previous battle fell here.
The third battle was on a slope going down the Alps on the Roman side. An army 3000 strong attempted to stop my advance, but they chose a very poor position, fighting an uphill battle against my forces. Sadly, they managed to hide a troop in the woods nearby, which managed to encircle my elite Africans, killing half of them before my cavalry could come to the rescue.
In all, I estimate I destroyed half the Roman armed forces in a single season. Time to destroy the other half!
NOTE: Elephants are totally not worth their price. It's that I'm swimming in cash, but if you are in want of money, spend it on something else.
Also, having an elite army you must be careful not to become overconfident and charging in without assuming a proper tactical formation or you will lose a needlessly high amount of your soldiers.
EDIT: Meanwhile, in Sicilia, the Romans besiege and assault Messena with a 3000 strong army (literally half of them Triarii). My 2500 strong garrisson (mostly regular hoplites) resists the assault, but takes 2300 casualties, resulting the biggest carnage I've ever seen.
Hmmm, I like that line of thinking!Quote:
Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius
I ended up taking Aventicos and Valdideno, and the Audei this time were grateful for my gifts. They've managed to hold off the Sweboz for now but if I have to go at it again I'm definitely going to try to get the Casse into play. They've yet to attempt to get off the island.
Meanwhile, the KH have been much more aggressive since losing their protectorate status. They took Rhodes off the Makes, killing the last family member and destroying the faction while turning Crete rebel. They then took Crete and also Halikarnassos off the Ptoly's but lost Hali back. They still haven't come after me though.
The two remaining protectorates - Epiros and the Luso's - have still done absolutely nothing but wander around their holdings. I've got my two legions in Iberia and am getting prepared to strike. I also think I'm going to take Lepki off the QH to see if that provokes the Ptoly's to break their alliance with me and open another front. They're running roughshod over the rest of the world, splitting the once mighty Baktrian empire in two.
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@Folgore, nice series of battles. I would like to see some minimaps also. Would be nice to see what the world looks like and what areas you and the romans control.
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The Republic of Qart Hadasht, ca. 211 BCE
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The Romans control the same area as in 219, being at peace with Macedonia and in an alliance with both the Arverni and Aedui. I am still at war with Rome and Egypt, but also with the Arverni, though only the Romans are fighting against me at the moment. My great army under Bodmelqart has suffered significant losses, as has my Sicilian garrison, which I planned to use against southern Italy, so I am now raising new legions to occupy Italy.
The rest of the world has changed a great deal in the last eight years though. The Casse have conquered the British isles, the Macedonians (and their client the Getai) are now fighting against Pontos and moving east into Asia minor. Hayasdan suddenly started an expedition into the steppes and now occupy the Sarmatian homeland. The Seleucid and Bactrian empires (allies) are reduced to one city each, both under siege at the moment, so I do not think they will last until the end of the year.
I don't think I have ever seen parthia do very well in any of my games. Casse invading mainland, AS world dominance and even massive naval invasions against me. But never seen Parthia do ANYTHING. Very nice/interesting world map you got there. Also interesting to see you didn't take any of your southern african areas. Was that a barcid roleplay or do you just not consider them valuable enough?
Yeah, its the best part of a new campaign, not knowing how things will change. Out of three ongoing campaigns only 1 has the Pahlava doing well, in which I am Pontos. But 2 of those games saw the Seleukids take Salamis off of Ptolies, though in the Pontos game the Ptolies took it back and now contorl the sea with huge poliremes which are a scary nightmare. I landed one invasion, took Salamis, they landed a response invasion that actually managed to take the city off of me, and now my second invasion, carefully ferried over to avoid the poliremes, has taken the city again.
Oh, i always love to see two of my favorite factions rising on their path to glory: mighty Carthage on the west and mighty Pahlava on the east!Quote:
Originally Posted by Folgore
Koinon Hellenon, 256 BCE
Well, it's the first time I give the KH an honest try, and I have to say I... like it. It's keeping my interest for longer than any other non-Celtic faction has ever since I saw the light and accepted this Truth as The Truth of True Truths: der Keltoi über alles.
Anyway, this is the current map:
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The way I played this was that I at first conquered Crete with the army stationed there and sent my fleet to get the army on Rhodos to the main land. This last process proved difficult and dangerous, as I had to face both a Seleukid and a Makedonian fleet on the way there. The first one I defeated, but after a tight battle against the latter, my navy lost and were forced to flee, almost so far as to the African coast. Having done that I had to defeat the same Seleukid fleet that had come back, and I managed to outmanoeuvre the Makedonian one to finally get my men to shore. With that success, the Makedonian fleet was sent elsewhere, so when my army on Crete had successfully taken the island, I could quickly ship it back to the mainland safely, leaving only the FL to keep the peace. I disbanded the remainder of the navy after awarding the admiral with medals for honour, bravery and valour.
Meanwhile the Makedonian army under Antigonos Gonatas had moved up north to deal with Pyrrhos, and I don't know if he defeated him or if Pyrrhos just went somewhere else, but the fact of the matter is that if Pyrrhos ever took Pella, he didn't hold it for long. With my reinforcements, Antigonos together with his son once again marched south and besieged Athenai. As a response, I took my army standing north of Sparta and besieged Korinthos.
The following turn the garrison, aided by a small, captain-led relief force, attempted to sally against my army, but they were soundly beaten back behind the walls. However, when Antigonos Gonatas and his son then came, they greatly outnumbered my poor, tired Greeks, who were forced to abandon the siege and head back to safety of the Spartan walls. Just before they got there, the Makedonian army caught up with them and forced a fight. After a long and bloody battle, both Antigonos and his son lay dead on the ground, joined by the Hellenic league's general, Akrotatos Agiados Lakedaimonios. Both armies were practically destroyed, and since the Hellenic league had none left, and the Makedonians had the Epeirotes in the north to worry about, a peace treaty was signed, whereby the Hellenic league had to pay a large sum of money at the spot, and then pay a seasonal tribute for the next three years. They also had to end the short alliance they had made with the Epeirotes.
Since then the Hellenic city-states have focused on economic expansion and smaller scale military reforms (read: building mics - you tell me how to say that in-character). The only outbreak of war since those early douses was when Halikarnassos revolted against the Seleukid occupational force, and sought the protection of the Hellenic league. The protection was given, and a Spartiates named Ailianos Imbrios, recently adopted by then-Hegemon Areus Agiados Lakedaimonios, was sent to organize their defence. However, the Seleukids made little attempts to retake the city, and after blockading some Hellenic ports agreed to sign a white peace.
Now, in 256 BCE, Ailianos Imbrios, having won the Olympics and great fame about himself, is the new Hegemon, and an alliance has been formed with the Galatians, who had helped the people of Halikarnassos to throw out the Seleukids. (A unit of Enoci Curoas was, for some reason, amongst the garrison when I found it under my control.) Epeiros has taken control over all but the northern-most part of Illyria but lost Taras to the SPQR, and Makedonia has secured their starting positions and expanded in Mikra Asia. Pontos hasn't done anything but raise a larger army, and the same can be said about the Hayasdan. The AS are going on better than they usually do in my games, and the rest have done quite like the usually do and are not necessary to report for my games. You can just check the map above if you're interested.
how the hell did you lose athens? I've held that city against a retarded amount of Brown death.
Just fight them in the streets like Churchill said.
Hoplites cannot be defeated in streets!
its like 300.
Who lost Athens? I ask, because I sure didn't. Antigonos simply ended the siege on Athens when he came to relieve Korinthos. If you're going by the picture I posted, it's kind of hard to see what cities I have, I admit. :sweatdrop:
Earlier:
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The Republic of Qart Hadasht, Autumn 207 BCE
After vanquishing no less than 5 Roman legions [full stacks], the great Carthaginian General Bodmelqart [my virtual Hannibal] was recalled to Qart Hadasht, to retrain the troops under his command and to reengage the Romans in southern Italy, together with the rest of our forces. Here, one of our smaller armies was besieging Taras, while two Roman legions again attempted to take control of Messana. In the Spring of 207 BCE, Bodmelqart, having retrained his forces (and replaced his Garamantine infantry with Elite Africans), landed in Sicilia, hoping to relieve the siege of Messana. Unfortunately, the Romans assaulted this city before he could reach it, but, the city's forces held out against the numerically superior enemy, as it had done not 4 years earlier, under the command of General Milkherem Oea. In the summer then, Bodmelqart advanced across the straight into Italy where he destroyed the other Roman legion in addition to the garrison of Rhegion, which city he promptly occupied. At this same time the city of Taras was taken with heavy losses to our secondary Italian army. In the autumn Bodmelqart advanced due north. Here, the Romans had raised two new legions, one composed of mercenary troops and one legion composed of Rome's veteran soldiers [6 units of Triarii, 6 units of Principes, 5 units of Pedites Extraorinarii and 5 units of Hastati].
While Bodmelqart expected these legions to attack, he judged the veteran legion to be too far away to pose any threat this season. Indeed, the mercenary legion attacked our forces quickly, but, being mercenaries, the were routed easily without too many losses on our side. However, at the end of autumn, suddenly the veteran legion showed up. At first, Bodmelqart retreated a great distance back to the south, but the Romans were persistant. Judging the terrain, a wooded hillside, to be in our favour, Bodmelqart drew up his battle line, anchored on the left flank by a large rock formation. Here, he put the Sacred Band and the elite Liby-Phoenicians in the front, followed by our hoplite and finally our Spanish men. The right flank was guarded by our African spearmen and Elite Africans. The citizen cavalry was hidden in the woods nearby and Bodmelqart stayed just behind his troops, so that he might encourage them, should their strength waver in the face of such an enemy force.
Although the battlefield was generally level, the Romans had to climb the hillside to get there. As such, they were already tired when the lines met. After a very lengthy engagement, the Roman troops now all being tired, the signal was given to attack. At once, our Spanish and African infantry joined the battle in addition to the horsemen, coming out of the woods from behind the enemy. This sudden attack paniced the Romans and almost at once their forces broke. With a loss of only 150 Carthaginian men, 3000 Romans were slain. Where all the world expected our forces to suffer great casualties at the might of the Roman military, if even victorious, our great general Bodmelqart won Carthage's greatest victory!
Surely, this time next year, Bodmelqart would stand victorious before the walls of the very city of Rome itself. Surely, such a great and noble spirit would conquer the whole of Italy for our great Republic, surely...
Wait... What...?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
[Sadly, Bodmelqart, aged 31, left no children to avenge his death. He does have a younger brother, but he has never yet seen battle. Command of his army has been taken over by the hero of Messana, Milkherem Oea. Had he lived, Bodmelqart would surely have been made Sophet one day. Truely, the Republic has lost its greatest leader today.]
[Against my expectations, both the Seleucids and Bactrians have managed to postpone their inevitable deaths by at least four years now, despite their only remaining cities having been under siege practically contiuously!]
Duuuuude I'd reload that and try again. There's no way to let such a great general go unless it's gloriously in battle.
LOOOOOL that sucks so ****** much. thats sooooooo brutal..
shucks.... :(
Send his son to the war. sack, burn and destroy every city in italy, and then besiege rome till they surrender, and sack it to hell, leaving nothing, and sack it ceremoniously every year for their cowardly treachery.
That's what Caesar said. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Biowulf
My Roman empire in 190BC, recently got my legionaries (modded the script a bit, was too impatient to wait till 172 :juggle2: ). Before Marian reforms I didn't have any of Gaul and Qart-Hadast still had northern Africa. Legionaries did what they are supposed and here are the results:
My faction leader, conquered pretty much all Greece, burned Kart-Hadast and is now on his way to conquer gaul. He has some really nice traits like Master of Assassins, Spy Master, Reconnaissance Specialist, Exterminator and Despoiler. Obviously he has killed quite a bunch of people on his way but war, war never changes :smash:
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About the game, I heavily funded Pahlava, Pontos, Saba and Baktria with add_money to avoid the goddamn yellow fever. Pahlava is quite a beast, Pontus is giving me nice challenge with several full stacks. Overall this is probably one of my best Romani campaigns ever.
Nah, I don't reload. House rule number 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biowulf
Here are some tactical considerations the Arverni recently learned in my game:
1 - Do not raise an entire army consisting only of levy spearmen.
2 - Do not accept battle with said army against a battle-hardened legion of Carthaginian veterans, no matter if you do outnumber them by a thousand men.
3 - Do not allow the enemy to take the high ground in said battle.
4 - Do not break formation, turning the battle-line into a battle-blob when assaulting the enemy on said highground.
5 - Do not run in panic when javelins start raining down on said battle-blob.
Result; 3200 Arverni dead, 8 Carthaginians dead.