Oh yeah, Sorry about that Crazed. Your certainly no liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
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Oh yeah, Sorry about that Crazed. Your certainly no liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Well, I'm glad that the CR thing was a bit of a "false-flag" effort. It certainly didn't add up for me.
Kommo is now spotlighting me, and others are adding in their thoughts. Hmmm.
Last time I was in the lynching spotlight I launched into a voluminous defense. This was ignored in favor of my death, in that game it was assumed that Sasaki and I were in cahoots and that all of my posts were just "white noise" to confuse.
I'll try it more simply.
I do piggy-back on other's efforts with my analytical stabs. Often some other's comment will jar my thinking and spool things up. I built on points thrown out by others in CN to suggest going back to the Kagemusha vote and played of Sasaki's analysis/stabs in Silver's game. It's not abberant for me here.
I have voted: disco, Divwind, B-Ghost, Zalmoxis, abstain, Masy, Reenk.
If Zalmoxis is my "callous wagoning" effort, you are scraping for clues that are -- I submit -- not there. I try to vote for someone where a shred of evidence suggests their guilt or where their lurker status means they provide little to the town. Feel free to read over my votes and check.
I am not a mafioso -- and I'm not built for mafiosa.:beam:
Seamus, to summarize the reasons why I suspect you, it comes down to this:
You and I have minds that are akin to one another. We both prefer numerical analysis, where possible, to subjective analysis. We tend to distrust such subjective thinking, which ample evidence has shown to be oft-unreliable.
And when I read your comments, it occurs to me that you're doing pretty much precisely what I would do - nay, what I did - when I was a mafioso. From withholding truly insightful comments, to relying a bit too much on the comments of others, to acting rather confused, to even occasionally defending a player when you have nothing to lose by doing so - it's all there. Now you wager your life on a simple defense, knowing that vigorous defenses often get a player lynched. This doesn't actually mean much - it certainly is logical - but once again it's precisely what I did in Mafia III.
If you go back and check, you'll notice it didn't work for me back then. Time will tell if it works for you here.
Seamus, your voting record will not prove you innocent lol. You, who pay so much attention to voting records, would hardly be condemned by your own. From the kills it looks to me it looks like the mafia were trying to set up the lurkers, and you went after the lurkers.
Also note, you put the lynch vote on Reenk after much hemming and hawing. If he was detective you would have wanted to lynch him without appearing to eager. I know I was all "he's a mafiosoooooo!!11" at the time, but you have to consider my strategy. I considered his claim untrustworthy and thus his investigations useless. I figured we could learn far more from watching for people either trying to save him (his fellow mafia if he was mafia) or trying to lynch him (the mafia if he was detective). You'll recall Cosa Nuova where Sigurd picked up on Xiahou because of the way he voted during the reveal. There's a decent chance Reenk was detective, and that would certainly implicate you.
Hmm... I'm slightly displeased that CR is getting off, but Seamus is the one that cast the deciding vote, so not a bad tradeoff! :2thumbsup:
By the way, Sasaki is the worst thing that the villagers have to worry about. Look how quickly he jumps from me to CR to Seamus. Who knows who it will be next?
Sasaki made no good argument against me.
At least Kommodus tracked my behavior change (I change behaviors every couple games by the way... first there is the List, then the fan club, then courteous abstention, then voting again...etc...) and Seamus made a good point about not coming clean completely (though I thought that I gave enough info in the reveal, the post is so long, plus I gave info immediately when asked...which was natural, and not planned).
Look at Sasaki's caprice: "There's a decent chance Reenk was detective"
:rolleyes:
By the way, my Source is Kommo of course, and there is one little tidbit I'm hiding from all of you still. Perhaps I will enlighten you soon...
On the contrary Reenk, I explained my reasoning in post #724.
You on the other hand seem in going after people just because they wanted you lynched, even when they've been proven innocent. This isn't going to help us.
In game reasons aside, it was an obligatory meta-game tactic to lynch you. Now mafia will be more hesitant about making false claims, and the real detectives will be more careful so they don't fudge it up completely. How exactly did revealing 4 people as innocent who then got killed the next two nights help us? If you'd revealed the next day there could be two people alive now who were confirmed innocent, maybe 3 since we probably wouldn't have lynched you. Maybe you'd have had another chance at investigating a mafia. You should take my persecution of you as a compliment since I'm basically saying I think you're smarter than this and wouldn't have screwed it up.
This is because you are still blinded to some of the realities Sasaki...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Perhaps things will be more clear if I inform you all of all that I know...if I choose to do so...
Please remember to actually vote, people.
Looking at the extremely short list of players remaining, it's apparent that if there was really a detective alive at this point, he would reveal. There's no point in staying hidden any longer.
This means that either Reenk Roink was truly the detective, or the real detective was killed earlier. As I said before, I saw no real problems with Reenk's reveal.
Regardless, we should be trying to identify the remaining mafia, rather than speculating on whether Reenk was innocent or not.
Agreed, I just wanted it out there as a reminder. I was after lurkers as a reminder. I think Kommo has me read pretty well -- it's just discouraging that the very things I emphasize in play make me suspect in the endgame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Actually, going back over it ("hemming and hawing") on the tenor and pace of his reveal/defense, I came down hard on Reenk. Like you say, his investigations are pointless because I read him as mafioso not as townie. If he was the detective, then I deserve to be lynched for taking him out. By the way, good point on the meta-level of forcing quality reveals upon future detectives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Oh, you came down hard alright, you only hesitated because you didn't want your lynch vote on Reenk to be seen as suspicious.
btw, who are you going to vote for this round? You must have some suspects.
There's like 2 hours left, we may need an extension.
Well, considering there have been zero actual votes that is a distinct possibility. :wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Or I may just Wrath of God everyone.
You yourself know how pivotal my innocence or guilt is when determining the Mafia... :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
Well it's too important a round not to really. Perhaps another 24 hours or till say 6 votes are in.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Xiahou and CR joined me in voting for Zalmoxis, who we now presume innocent. In fact all three of us voted for Reenk last time as well. Both of them voted against Reenk in round #1.
Dutch_Guy has voted for only one named individual -- Divine Wind -- and only in the runoff. Divine Wind is a likely innocent as well. That's a hole lot of lurkin' goin; on. Mafia hiding in plain sight? Hard to say.
Don Corleone missed a lot of votes early, and has actively voted only to lynch Kagemusha (doing so twice). Early absence speaks against an active role, but later voting behavior reads possible mafia.
Craterus hasn't voted actively a lot so far; but that's fairly typical for him. Again, hiding in plain sight possible, but hard to establish.
Iggy has also been a bit hit-or-miss. This is inconclusive.
So, since I do not suspect myself of trying to lynch "detective" Reenk, I would cast my suspicions towards Don C, X-man, or Rabbitt more or less in that order. So, I'll start with
Vote: Don C
Uh... would some else please vote?! Otherwise Seamus' one vote will carry the decision... :dizzy2:
Seamus is known for his condemning votes...
As someone who was reacently eaten by children.:gah2: I think Seamus is voting for the mafioso.
nah, don is innocent.
Okay, just a heads-up:
I will be going offline to do some reformatting on the comp. This could take anywhere from a few hours to over a day. When I do manage to get back on, the voting will be finished.
So far we only have one vote. If you don't want that person to be executed then you better get on and vote, as I could be back anytime.
Well, I'm known to abstain a lot, and not vote that often - as I simply wish to vote with some preferably conclusive evidence on the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Knowing myself to be innocent, it leaves Iggy , Don, Craterus, Xiahou, CR and Seamus. Don and Iggy I'd like to think as innocent. Iggy hasn't been active at all, and could very well be WoGed soon (not quite Mafioso behavior), and Don hasn't been active enough to actually make a profile (of some sort) of, same with Xiahou for that matter.
As for Seamus,
A tough one, especially after taking Kommudus' post(s) into account. The man does have a point, but then again, you are the most active still breathing participant left. Would that be a wise mafia strategem ? It could be so, but it doesn't have to be.
As for CR...
After Sasaki pounced on him he reacted in a solid, townie-esque way.
As for Craterus,
I still don't quite understand his accusation against me, some posts back now, as I find it quite hard to believe GH made the suspected slip-up. It seems to me like he was actually searching, forcing, a way to lynch someone, which had to be me - an innocent townie.
And that, is why I'm voting Craterus this round, this vote is also used as a way to force a tie breaker. As I'd like to hear the other participants out, and I don't believe Don's a mafioso.
:balloon2:
I know what I read and, to be honest, I think it's the best case out there. Hard for me to prove, but it's the one thing that I've seen and have had a good feeling about.
Vote: Dutch_guy
That's pretty suspicious. If your mafioso then your not doing a good job of defending yourself or your a townie and your doing a crappy job of defending yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
I think your a mafioso.
Vote for Seamus
Sorry it bothered you so Mr. "Pinkerton"....not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Still, someone else should toss in a vote. First past the post with my vote only seems a little "off."
Edit: note to self, read WHOLE thread before making stupid post.
As much as Seamus and CR should die for their slander, I say vote to censor Sasaki for the rest of the game...
Let's hold another vote, separate from the lynch vote. All participants allowed, dead or alive, Mafia or villager. ~:grouphug:
Together we can stop Sasaki! :2thumbsup:
I'm afraid I gotta go with Seamus. He's very much an end-game player. He really picks apart every post in the last few rounds. This game though, just enough to get get by. Maybe GF2 is still on the brain, I dunno. He could be mafia two games in a row...
Vote: Seamus
Btw, sorry I was off all day. VERY, VERY, VERY busy day at work.:whip:
...Uh...Don...I wasn't mafia in GF2. That was Silver's "dream sequence" false ending. So it's 0 games in a row. I drew detective in my first ever game and then a whole lot of yadda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Thanks for the compliment on the end-game stuff though. I do try to make things add up.
Why did you mruder me in Csar's game?
Seamus just doesn't ring true. He has said repeatedly during this game that he respects my judgement and he's asked for Kommodus's input several times. Yet when we both accuse him he isn't surprised. If he were innocent he would be quite shocked, like Crazed Rabbit. Instead we get this:
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Kommo is now spotlighting me, and others are adding in their thoughts. Hmmm.
I agree. He does seem to have been acting out of character this game when it's all laid out. I certainly don't suspect CR at all... I'm up in the air on Don, and a few others, but I feel confident enough to:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: Seamus