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Kukri, are you sure we have to lynch a ninja today to win? I really really want to vote Beskar out. My vote is going to stay on Dutch Guy unless someone has a really good argument for someone else. DG has a mere 15 posts in a game with over 2000. I know that there are other quiet players but none of DGs posts seem to be very analytical. I do wish that Kage would appear and add something to the conversation though. His insight would be greatly appreciated at this time.
Beskar, in nearly every post you make, you remind us how innocent you are. Even before BQ's reveal, you were doing so and seemed amazed that anyone would think otherwise simply on your word. Although you are on the innocent list, your constant screaming about your innocence is making me wonder if BQ was somehow duped. Beware he who screams the loudest and pointing his finger elsewhere. I dunno, I'm just sayin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Regarding Ichigo, how have you been on his tail? Aside from him voting for you, why else do you say he's a baddy? He and Stephen/Tiberius seemed to do a tag team on you. Early on Stephen was after you. On day 5 both Stephen and Ichigo voted for you and after BQ's reveal, Stephen left you go, but Ichigo stayed on you with his voting. What else do you have on Ichigo?
We are down to the point in the game where we cannot afford any more misses, so I think it behooves all of us with suspicions to state our cases completely. Gut feelings aren't enough anymore especially since our guts don't appear to be in agreement (and haven't worked either).
Since it appears that all the pro-townie roles (known) have been killed off, I don't see how the laying-low tactic is valid anymore. All true townies should be activitely participating at this point in the game. We are on the verge of extinction with the only consolation prize being that Uesugi Kenshin will be getting a sword up his keister whilst sitting on his "throne" some years down the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
Well, that's the opinion of this mafia noobie anyway. :embarassed:
He'd be the third Watanabe to die I think (Yoyoma post). How many Watanabes could there be? It would be nice to think that one of them was the traitor, but it is hard to confirm.Quote:
Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
Or it could be the case that people kep voting for me, regardless of the vast evidence that I am innocent and regardless, they continue suggesting I am not. Then we get to the end of the game, Andres will say that I was indeed innocent, then it is "Well, I kept telling you, but no.. you didn't listen" moment. Every round some one has voted for me or suggested it is me, twice there have been bandwagons. Not my fault people are being ignorant of facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregoshi
Many reasons, Stephen Asen was just a revenge vote, and when he was certain I was innocent, he decided to drop it. That is simply explained. Ichigo who was active in the beginning went lurking and all his posts have either been to misdirect the town and all his votes were against known innocents. Many circumstances and there is absolutely no shred of evidence that he is innocent in any shape or form.Quote:
Regarding Ichigo, how have you been on his tail? Aside from him voting for you, why else do you say he's a baddy? He and Stephen/Tiberius seemed to do a tag team on you. Early on Stephen was after you. On day 5 both Stephen and Ichigo voted for you and after BQ's reveal, Stephen left you go, but Ichigo stayed on you with his voting. What else do you have on Ichigo?
Yes, I am certain. Though I certainly understand your annoyance with Baskar-san and his perpetual proclmation of innocence, and degrading opinions of his fellow players.Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
I quote Gregoshi's recent post:
to cite my wholehearted agreement: we gotta get us a ninja or traitor this day phase, and the next, or roll over and cede victory to the dark forces. So that, if for no other reason, they don't cackle in glee over their victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregoshi
I can't wait for the host's summary and analysis, and the reveal of the "other" board, used by the bad guys - just to see how "off" or "on" we have been.
Kill the lurkers.
Or die.
Then there is the whole argument you was a mafia-role, Kukrikhan and misleading us from some one who is in fact active mafia-role and target an innocent quiet person.
It was especially noticeable that the Ninja roles were confirmed to drop by two when Quintus and you got killed off.
Just saying.
I believe we're beyond the point of killing lurkers. We need to kill bad guys, regardless of how (in)active they may be. Now, my vote is on Rhyfelwyr because I believe him to be a ninja. The fact that he is the last of the pevers don't necessarily jive with me, and I don't quite like how he's pretty much slid by these past couple of days without any suspicion or contribution.
I would also like to hear from Kage as well, as this is usually the point where he steps up and leads his side, whichever it may be, to victory. Alas, I can only vote for one person at a time however, and thus I'm sticking with Rhyfelwyr.
Yes, I can see how the Detective BG's less-than-innocent result on me marked me as a potential bad guy. To this day, I don't know why that result occured. Hopefully, the Host's aftergame writeup will reveal that reason. So, I didn't mind the resulting suspicion and votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
But, I got killed by bad guys in a night phase, not lynched like Q in a day phase.
And I never voted or challenged you - though in retrospect, maybe I should have. Not that it would have quieted you down; nothing seems to have that particular effect. You have proclaimed your innocence far and wide, repeatedly ad nausium, and I must applaud your level of participation, while also noting your continual disparging of any voter having doubts about your lily-white reputation.
If I were alive, I would challenge you this day.
However, I digress. Kill the lurkers.
Well, I let you into a secret. Don't hurt the lily and there won't be any disparging.
Now that I am dead, I feel wonderfully relaxed.
We don't have ANY useful information with which to pick lynch targets. The only, and very limited, exception in GBG's innocent list. Most of the ones on this list have been prime targets for the various murderers.
We still have two killing factions -- with the ninja numbers unknown.
It is getting too late to kill lurkers to kill lurkers -- GH is correct about that. But you have no reliable information to base your assessments on. Nor do you have time to force the lurkerish ones:
Kage, Dutch, Ichigo, ajax....have lurked and are successful with that strategy. EDIT: well, to be fair Ichi hasn't lurked. I'm used to him doing so pretty much every game, but here he has not. Kage has only two more posts than I, despite me lurking for more than half the game. I also have seven more posts than ajax and Dutch combined! Also, when was the last time you saw Ducky post 74 times! I cannot recall any game where that happened. ah well....
What we should NOT do is vote small.
We have at least two groups of killers and as many as 5 are bad guys. WHOMEVER you pick, ALL votes must settle on that choice so that it cannot be derailed by final switches.
Unvote: Rhyfelwyr
Vote: Dutch_guy
I think I'm getting paranoid. Upon second thought, Dutch's behavior is reminding me all too well of when he was mafia in Mafia VI. Bare minimum of activity, almost zero suspicion throughout the game... this is pretty scary. And it's making me go slowly crazy. We usually have something to work with here.
Mainly I just wish I had something to say. I've had virtually no idea who to suspect throughout the game. I'm astonished that I've lived so long, and frustrated that I still haven't a good notion how to contribute to a town victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Anyway, in the interests of 'not voting small,' it looks like Dutch Guy has the most votes, and I've no reason to suspect anyone else more than him, so
vote: Dutch Guy
And since I don't really trust his vote record, and I haven't got to use my challenge ability yet,
challenge: Ichigo
Ajax
Ditto, but by tossing out ideas or oddities I note, I hope to trigger a thought process in someone else who hopefully can make something happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaxfetish
Just noticed your custom title - "Paladin Wan(ta)nabe"... :inquisitive:
Dutch guy is acting normal, which makes GH suspicious I guess. Though there isn't much to go on this game. Beskar should still be lynched just because.
I can't defend myself against a bandwagon, as that's what this is. I'm never that active, and usually at one point pay the price for it - smart move on part of the mafia if that's why they kept me alive: they earn a free lynch.
My death will not help the town win this, that's all I know, but perhaps Beskar's will:
Vote: Beskar.
:balloon2:
I'd recommend lynching Rhyfelwyr.
Well, if you are going to play it that way. Let's see you fight back now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
*Gets a red hot poker and goes to where the Corpse of Sasaki Kojiro is laying*
Now then... which part of your body are you willing to have missing for the afterlife?
Yeah, because lynching a known innocent will actually help the town, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
You just admitted to being guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
No, I just threatened a ghost who keeps speaking on lynching some one "for the lulz"/"just because" with removing body parts from their corpse to deprive them in the afterlife.
A confession of any form of guilt would have been "I enjoyed ridding you of your miserable life", unfortunately, I don't have such a pleasure.
Yeah, he needs to work on his poker face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Just stating your vote without reason isn't helping the cause. We need to focus on a smartly selected target.
As for cases, assuming Beskar reported accurately, ajaxfetish's observed activities early in the game, while telling, did not carry much weight because he could have had a pro-town role. However, now that all the (known) pro-town roles are dead, his activities seem to hang a "bad guy" sign around his neck.
While Rhyfelwyr has the rap of being the last standing pever, there were four pevers but the ninjas got only three kills. This left Rhyfelwyr in a bad spot, it seems unlikely he's a baddie.
Dutch_guy's inactivity and spotty voting record early on sends a FoS his way, but I think ajaxfetish has a stronger case.
Forget Beskar, he says he's innocent. That's good enough for me. ~:pat:
Therefore, I suggest ajaxfetish for lynching but D_g is a good alternative.
Hard to explain as there is a really strong gut feeling I had since a while ago for Ichigo. I had suspicions since early on and I wanted BG to investigate him for me, however, BQ didn't live that night. However, look at Ichigo's case, there is nothing that even suggests a town-role, any form of aid, advice or logic. He has repeatedly voted on bandwagons or against innocents. Hell, he has never actually denied being a mafia-role either when accused.
Even then, there is as you said:
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Originally Posted by Gregoshi
woad is screaming guilt at me. Completely avoids "plays cool" any accusation by talking about something completely unrelated as if nothing else was ever said.
:laugh4:
My analysis says 90% chance the town will lose this.
The thing about Beskar is this, if he is the ninja master and turned up innocent, but is the only remaining person of BG's innocent list who is still alive, then wouldn't he have framed himself by killing off all the other suspects? Ultimately this ends up as a mafia in front of you as everything else does but at the moment I tend towards letting him live and killing dutch_guy, Ichigo, Kage. :shrug:
Have you guys gone utterly mad? This very well might be our final round when we have even slightest chance to still win the mafia and people start randomly challenging people like this.:stwshame: Are you guys in hurry to loose to the mafia?
1st point is that the only thing we can base anything is Banguos list and people voting others from that list are either acting like buffoons or they are scum. Also Yoyoma1910 now suddenly starts challenging people with nonsensical reasoning. Have you run out of poems or could you be in bit of a hurry to ensure mafia victory? If there is anyone scummy among the people left its him. Vote: Yoyoma1910
I started playing around with those numbers as well when I saw them, but was applying them to (1) the list of dead players and (2) the raw list of starting players. I came up with nothing useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregoshi
Using those same numbers (18, 22, 25) as a straight substitution cipher results in:
18 = R
22 = V
25 = Y
RVY is not the same as RHY(felwyr), but it is surprisingly close. :shrug:
Sasaki, why are you so focused on lynching Beskar?
I just took the sequence as the killer noting the mounting number of kills, night-to-night. But I admit, I wondered if they (the numbers) referred to players, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I did the same. The addition track was the only thing that yielded results that made complete sense. I was getting excited with the "R-V-Y" thing until I couldn't go anywhere else with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
The numbers are too unusual to not have significant (why not 10, 20, 30?). But I'll be darned if I can pull any meaning out of it. It was worth a shot.
How long ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Oh, btw I'm innocent.
What crime is itQuote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
For me to desire
Post be made
In a format
More simple
And elegant?
And how is my reasoning nonsensical?
A replacement arrives, and the OX houred killer,
Who stabs in the eyes returns.
Tell me the nonsense in challenging the man who arrived?
Why do you find it so?
Defend your accusation.
Well, you convinced me to change my vote. :juggle2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Got any reasons for people not to vote for you? Any evidence or proof of your innocent? People have been lynched for less suspicion than you.
Edit: I am actually the last person on the innocent list? Looks like my prediction was correct then, I thought two of the people who were killed were not on it. Doh....
That is not the case:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...96#post2227396
Sasaki is still convinced that BG's innocent list features a hidden "godfather" of the ninjas and that ending everyone on that list will produce a win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
Well my friend because if you think he might be guilty, surely you should vote for him and make a case against him,no? Also now that our numbers are low why are you risking your own life in duel and die in vain, if you are just an innocent townie with low duel rate? Could the reason be that you are not worried about dying in the duel because you have a high duel rating. Thus we are back at my original case against you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoyoma1910
There is a chance I may die,Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
But should prefer it be with honor in battle.
Rather than in bed,
Like some turtle
Slumbering
In the afternoon sun.
And if the Count has posted
Accurately,
Our ratings are reasonably
The same.
My vote:
I am still contemplating
Who is leading,
And who is following.
Surely this is no talk of Samurai. You live to die for your master. Your petty ambitions should not interfere you from protecting him with your life. If you die in vain you have failed your master and yourself by not being there to protect him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoyoma1910
You are a coward!
Challenge me!
Or are you simply some peasant with a stick?
Yoyoma's argument about the ox may hold some water, don't condemn him yet. Your poems are really annoying though :beam:
Two of Beskar's challengers from last night bit the dust - I think he does protest too much. We should really lynch him, I dont know how he survived this long.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
You insult my art?
Challenge me!
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Only hidden godfather would have been Kurkirkhan, who was innocent with a weird explanation compared to everyone else, but he got lynched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
The innocent list other than that were all innocent and everone on it dying.. yeah... self-explanatory
Okay, I think considering my duel record, we can all agree that I can hold my own in a duel. Therefore, I propose my services to the town. Tell me who to challenge and I'll do as you wish. If I fall, especially easily, you guys know who to go after. I think the time has come where we have more suspects than rounds. Therefore, it's time to coordinate.
Vote:Tiberius of the Drake formerly known as Stephen Assen.
It is the strongest lead I have for now.
unvote:Tiberius
Actually, I should like to think about it more.
Tiberius is innocent.
Also, I think all those not ont he innocent list should duel eachother, as it is one of them.
Well then, who is guilty?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
No. I am a samurai and loyal servant of my Lord. Not a fool throwing challenges around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoyoma1910
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Sure you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Vote: Kagemusha
Not Mafia-roles
Beskar
Stephen Assen aka Tiberius of the Drake
GeneralHankerchief
Possible Mafia-role
Ichigo
Rhyfelwyr
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
Dutch_guy
I would argue to vote for Ichigo.
hmm, well I support a beskar lynch on principle.
Ichigo always lurks, he could be mafia but there is no evidence.
Rhyfelwyr has acted strange. Good lynch, but his first game so no comparison.
Kage seems normal.
Chimpyang is quiet, couldn't say why without a reread. Decent suspct.
Yoyo doesn't seem different than normal. Neither do woad and fangs, ajax, and dutch_guy, but they all could have put up that appearance.
Who is left over after we cut out the people from the innocent list and everyone who made a challenge before today?
Also, what is the vote count?
If I had to pick three it would be rhyelwyr, chimp, and beskar.
You should probably challenge rhyf or beskar - hopefully one of them will be the lynch target and you can challenge the other...Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
rhyf has gone into lurking and has been more active in other parts of the forum...
Beskar - he is been hyper actively using BG's list as his defense - trying too much... i actually cant believe he still hasnt been lynched....
The principle I am still alive and you are not and you keep trying to get a bandwagon against me even though I am innocent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
It is more people keep on ignoring a pro-town detectives innocent list which says who is innocent and keep trying to lynch innocent people. Not my fault people keep to be told like a broken record.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
I think we can assume that Chimpiyang is innocent as he had a long absence between the 2nd of May and his last post.
He has been a lynch target since day one, yet never rose to the top of the list. We're gonna be kicking ourselves if he turns out to be on the dark side.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
I still don't know why innocent townies would be running silent now and thus casting suspicion upon them rather than a real target. Therefore, one begins to think the suspicions are well founded.
Chimpyang was suposedly afkb for a few days, posted he has returned after last night's action and is surprised that he is still alive, yet what is the difference? He has been silent anyway.
If not my prime recommendation of ajaxfetish, then Rhyfelwyr, Ichigo or Chimpyang appear to be good targets, in that order.
Yeah, but he's not posted anything in 20 hours since his "return". That's not helping the cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
We are down to the end game and there is a surprising lack of interest in the game from too many of the players that are still alive. Or so it seems. Is this normal? What am I missing about strategy at this point of the game that would account for the silence?
What? You don't believe me? Well I guess only you can say that and it be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
I've been fairly active I think(60ish posts), which means at least to me I'm not a lurker like you claim. I don't really know what the rest of your "case" against me is though. I told you I was innocent but you didn't believe me:bigcry:
Well Chimpyang had a five day absence without logging on. Either it is an elaborate scheme or he is innocent. My bet is on the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregoshi
Why wasn't he wog'd?Quote:
Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
What did I ever do to you Gregoshi? Why does you want me deadzies? :end:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregoshi
First of all, it was Stephen Asen who accused me in the early game. Second, I denied having a pro-town special role then . . . because I don't have one. I explained my actions from the beginning as a personal role-play, because I didn't expect to live too long based on my previous game and didn't want to get too bored with the night phases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregoshi
That said, I have no idea who's guilty, so I'm just as expendable as any of our few remaining townies.
Ajax
Ichigo's sarcastic style is a confession of him being a mafia-role.
You are right ajaxfetish, it was Stephen. My bad. I've little to go on as far as guilt too. But what are your thoughts on the various FoS's that have been tossed out? Surely you must have some thought on the rightness or wrongness of at least ONE of them (besides your own). Give us a hand please.
Ichigo, I have nothing against you. You are Glorious. However, you are alive and thus a prime candidate for being bad Glorious. Sorry, but life sucks, as they say. Unfortunately, death sucks more. :shame:
AD, I'm talking about Chimpyang since he "returned" yesterday. "I'm back!" and then...nothing.
Gotta run and get food. I'm "cooking" tonight. :laugh4:
Explain. I would like to hear this out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
You spent the whole first half of the game saying you were innocent and expecting everyone to believe you, but now you don't believe me. Attacking everyone who voted against you and just kept repeating "I'm innocent" when no one had a reason to believe you. Even though BG investigated you that doesn't make you innocent. The likelyhood of Andres giving the ninja-master the ability to fool an investigation is pretty high I think, possibly some of the ninja.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
While all you do is not say much and if anyone accuses you. "Yay for me!" "why me dedz :(" etc you aren;t taking it seriously.
How does that relate to mafia-esque behavior though? Just because you're not taking something seriously doesn't mean you're automatically a villain. If anything, I, as a villain, would take things even more seriously because I know one misstep means you're screwed.
BTW beskar, I'd like to point out that in mafia, failing 99% of the time does not lead to success.
Lynch Beskar. Anyone who emphasize their own innocence unprompted every single day needs to have that theory tested in reality.
:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
WIFOM Terrority. Innocent people stop when security say halt, guilty don't.
It's not necessarily a lack of interest, keep in mind the ninjas also have some considerable voting power in the end game and a lack of discussion means more confused townies, more wrong lynches etc. In other words, they'll probably win anyway because most of the discussion at the moment looks to me like "I'm right!" - "No, I'm right!" - "No, you're all wrong and I'm right!" with hardly anything to go by, if you're going to believe everyone who says they're innocent then we probably have eliminated the ninjas already. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregoshi
That's the funny thing about Beskar saying he is innocent and then calling that evidence, he has a bit more of a case since BG's list so I think he is being framed now as he caught suspicion before and is generally acting a bit annoying but that alone doesn't make him guilty, if he had his friends kill everyone on the list except himself, that would have been an incredibly stupid move but here we are at vodka in front of my horse again as they could have calculated exactly that, blablabla, still a daring move though so he might deserve to win if that was the plan(and they're most likely going to win now anyway as noone has an idea and everybody is/plays confused, discussions are being ignored etc.).
Whether anyone is acting normal or not according to Sasaki I wouldn't go by that, I personally remember Ichigo as one of the two most active players in mafia games and especially Kage would not show anything as he is one of the best mafiosi/ninjas around. I'm not sure about dutch_guy but I remember people saying he'd be more active towards the end which doesn't really seem to be the case here, yet sasaki says he is acting normal. :dizzy2:
Some of the others I've never played mafia games with before so it's hard to say much about them, could be anything, hard to say anything about them for me.
So in the end I'd say everybody who tries to focus on Beskar, except Sasaki, is somewhat supicious, lynching Ichigo might be a good idea for now.
The Mafia plan is simple, they will kill all the innocents bar myself, then when I am the only innocent left, they will go "lol, try to get out of this now" and any other innocents would just join the bandwagon against me and ensure they win. That is the Mafia tactic and the reason I am still in the game. It is thanks to people who are on the dimmer side of the light bulb which are obsessed with lynching me which allows it to happen in the mafia's favour. In other words, Mafia-role want to purposely have suspicions against me and use me as their scape-goat.
Magical.
That is how I have been in the game so long and it is what I purposely played to in the beginning. Hell, I even said it near the beginning, go and read it.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
That's why we should lynch rhyfelwyr today.
Husar when was the last time you played a mafia game with me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
"Lynch Beskar! Lynch Rhyfelwyr! That is it, Lynch Everybody!!!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
You just confessed to being mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
But Beskar, wasn't there a stretch when you had relatively little suspicion on you?
Yes, because doing an impression of you, is obviously a confession. You know, since lynching happens at the end of the day phase and you keep saying to lynch people randomly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I always had some one vote for me on every round. Little suspicion would imply 2 votes opposed to 7 on some rounds. People just like to bandwagon. You know, having evidence you are innocent, having pro-town roles having to investigate you and turn up innocent, and probably even Kami saying I am innocent won't even let people accept the fact I am. Hell, even if I get killed by the mafia tonight, they will still say I am not innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Challenge: Rhyfelwyr
-edit- Woo, 2000! :medievalcheers: