Harbinger is a Reaper who resides in dark space with the rest of the Reaper fleet. It is the overseer of the Collectors' operations, frequently possessing individual Collectors to fight battles personally.
You are the Mafia Backup.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
1. If a member of the mafia dies, you inherit their ability as your own. [redacted]
2. However, you cannot use more than one ability each Night.
You win when the mafia can't be prevented from killing everyone else.
Have fun!
:2thumbsup:
Raskolnikov died to poison.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
"I am the very model of a scientist salarian, I've studied species turian, asari, and batarian.
I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology) because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology).
My xenoscience studies range from urban to agrarian, I am the very model of a scientist salarian."
Mordin Solus is a salarian geneticist, professor, and a former operative of the Special Tasks Group, where he performed reconnaissance and participated in the modification of the genophage. In 2185, he is recruited by Commander Shepard to assist in a high-risk mission against the Collectors. Mordin has a moral character best described as consequentialist, believing the ends justify the means, though he dislikes taking life without good cause. His actions are often guided by an impersonal logic, refusing to let his conscience, personal, and emotional connections cloud his judgment of what he believes is truly best in the big picture. Though he is affable, quick-talking and friendly, Mordin bears physical scars of his time in the STG and is still handling the consequences of his past.
You are Vanilla Town.
You win when the mafia are eliminated.
Have fun!
:2thumbsup:
Logic is replacing Dolby, effective immediately. Do not talk about substitutions etc.
Orders for Night Two are due in:
Do not post at night!
Alive: 13/17
Arapocalypse
ColonelLubriderm
Cuthillius
Ephemeral
Esooa
GeneralHankerchief
Hally
Logic (formerly Dolby)
Manasi
Maple
Montmorency
pzelda
Visor
Jacob Taylor is a human biotic and a former Alliance Marine under the command of Major Derek Izunami. He resigned after surviving the geth attack on Eden Prime. He is also part of Commander Shepard's squad during the suicide mission.
You are Vanilla Town.
You win when the mafia are eliminated.
Have fun!
:2thumbsup:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Guard: "As this is a high-security vessel, you must relinquish possession of your weapons."
Shepard: "I'll relinquish one bullet. Where do you want it?"
Lieutenant Commander Shepard is the human protagonist of Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and Mass Effect 3, whose gender, appearance, skills and pre-service history are all customizable and have an impact on the story. Shepard's first name is also customizable, but is never stated in-game.
Shepard is a graduate of the Systems Alliance N7 special forces program, a veteran of the Skyllian Blitz, and is initially assigned to the SSV Normandy in 2183 as Executive Officer. Shepard later becomes the first human to join the Spectres, an elite special task force for the Citadel Council.
You are the Town Odd-Night Poisoner.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
1. Every odd night, starting Night 1, you may target a player and attempt to poison them. A poisoned player will be announced as such at the beginning of the next Day, and will die at the end of that Day. For example, if you successfully poison someone night 1, they will be announced as poisoned at the start of day 2, and die at the end of day 2 (unless they are healed).
2. Additionally, you have a one-shot heal that you can use to heal a poisoned player before the end of day. This is a day ability, and you must PM me at least one hour before the end of the Day phase to use it. If successful, the poisoned player will immediately be announced as healed and not die at the end of the day. You may only do this once.
You win when the mafia are eliminated.
Have fun!
:2thumbsup:
Alive: 11/17
Arapocalypse
ColonelLubriderm
Cuthillius
Ephemeral
Esooa
Hally
Logic (formerly Dolby)
Manasi
Maple
Montmorency
Visor
Dead: 6/17
Csargo - Conrad Verner, Town Biggest Fan, eliminated d1.
Sunbae - Garrus Vakarian, Vanilla Town, killed n1.
dyachei - Harbinger, Mafia Backup, eliminated d2.
Raskolnikov - Mordin Solus, Vanilla Town, died to poison d2.
GeneralHankerchief - Jacob Taylor, Vanilla Town, died n2.
pzelda - Commander Shepard, Town Odd-Night Poisoner, died n2.
Day Three has started and you may now post. Sorry for the delay. :sweatdrop:
Voting ends in:
02-28-2021, 02:29
Visor
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Rip
02-28-2021, 02:29
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Nice
02-28-2021, 02:30
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Vote: monty
02-28-2021, 02:31
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Had a great time in vigi neighborhood chat with visor last night :)
02-28-2021, 02:31
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
vote: cuthalion
02-28-2021, 02:31
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Eph
Hally
Esooa
Probably
02-28-2021, 02:33
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Eph
Hally
Esooa
Probably
if you were a wolf with eph, who would be the third
random thought exercise
02-28-2021, 02:33
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Dya did the "oh that's (player on alt) haha" with bop
What does it mean? Who knows
02-28-2021, 02:34
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm
if you were a wolf with eph, who would be the third
random thought exercise
Manasi
02-28-2021, 02:35
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
I sort of had a feeling gh was v but him dying is completely understandable lol
02-28-2021, 02:36
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Lbr
Lolzelda poisoning rask>dya
Way to spew half the game bud
02-28-2021, 02:37
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm
1
hally
ara
visor
1-2
ephemeral
manti
manasi
1-2
cuth
monty
dolby
roughly where im at.
and the 1 over the top section doesnt mean 0-1, it means i think one is a wolf but im not gonna worry about it today
02-28-2021, 02:39
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
gh a villa kill?
i assumed a one time wolf kill
i have no idea what setups are like on here but figure village doesnt get a poisoner and a vig
02-28-2021, 02:41
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm
gh a villa kill?
i assumed a one time wolf kill
i have no idea what setups are like on here but figure village doesnt get a poisoner and a vig
mafia arsonist teasip
02-28-2021, 02:42
Visor
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Reckon we have odd night poisoner and even night vig
02-28-2021, 02:42
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm
roughly where im at.
and the 1 over the top section doesnt mean 0-1, it means i think one is a wolf but im not gonna worry about it today
What would you say your reads list is in a more traditional format?
02-28-2021, 02:42
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
I got good news guys
I think Dya spewed Amy clear :)
02-28-2021, 02:43
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Reckon we have odd night poisoner and even night vig
ok that changes how i look at the world slightly
02-28-2021, 02:44
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
replace numbers with the following
v
v-ish
eggsecute
02-28-2021, 02:44
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
My gut feeling is
manasi doesnt yolo vote dyachei while somewhat lurking, esp when dya would likely Hitler Gets Bussed in that situation
02-28-2021, 02:45
Arapocalypse
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Exciting!!!!!!!!!
My first thoughts upon seeing the dya flip is that it probably won't be quite as informative as I was hoping, due to dya generally being under suspicion from the get-go, but... hey, we take those red flips, still very hype!!!!!
Some basic thoughts from dya's ISO:
Liked Esooa from it, felt like her interactions with them were quite genuine in general!!! An example of which is them pushing on the point where dya forgot about the stuff they were nodding to with my posts that seemed fairly solid, as well as dya's general response to them... noting that dya was under a lot of pressure and aware that they were likely to flip sooner than later, though!!
Good interactions stuff from Hally and Ephemeral that I feel fairly comfortable about, don't sense a need to elaborate!!!!
I do not think the Visor/dya interactions from day 1 are clearing; they are okay but still not something I'd confidently say are not w/w!!!!! dya not realizing Colonel was Bop isn't clearing either, for that matter, though I still think he's towny!!
Still strongly dislike the GH/dya w/w thread that was pushed from SoD 2, with half the game agreeing; don't know why people thought GH would openwolf to that extent!!!
02-28-2021, 02:45
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm
replace numbers with the following
v
v-ish
eggsecute
I think your numbers system is a fun and colourful way to never clear any villagers and constantly have the entire game opened up to your PoE.
But at least you're open about it.
02-28-2021, 02:46
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arapocalypse
Exciting!!!!!!!!!
My first thoughts upon seeing the dya flip is that it probably won't be quite as informative as I was hoping, due to dya generally being under suspicion from the get-go, but... hey, we take those red flips, still very hype!!!!!
Some basic thoughts from dya's ISO:
Liked Esooa from it, felt like her interactions with them were quite genuine in general!!! An example of which is them pushing on the point where dya forgot about the stuff they were nodding to with my posts that seemed fairly solid, as well as dya's general response to them... noting that dya was under a lot of pressure and aware that they were likely to flip sooner than later, though!!
Good interactions stuff from Hally and Ephemeral that I feel fairly comfortable about, don't sense a need to elaborate!!!!
I do not think the Visor/dya interactions from day 1 are clearing; they are okay but still not something I'd confidently say are not w/w!!!!! dya not realizing Colonel was Bop isn't clearing either, for that matter, though I still think he's towny!!
Still strongly dislike the GH/dya w/w thread that was pushed from SoD 2, with half the game agreeing; don't know why people thought GH would openwolf to that extent!!!
Ara, I thought we agreed not to just post our logs from last night's hood :eek:
02-28-2021, 02:46
Arapocalypse
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
I sort of had a feeling gh was v but him dying is completely understandable lol
Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at; would have preferred poison but, oh well!!
02-28-2021, 02:47
Logic
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Having read nothing, I was so hoping to get my free v-read and coast.
Now it looks like I have to put some work in.
Also, Colonel Lubriderm, you have no idea how disconcerting it is to see you take that avatar and have me think that GH was dead posting.
OK, anyone want to give me cliffs?
02-28-2021, 02:47
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
you shouldnt clear me for dya not knowing who i was the same way you shouldnt clear manti for posting that dya AtE photoshop
02-28-2021, 02:47
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
i wish vig sheeped my legacy of dont kill gh
02-28-2021, 02:48
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
Having read nothing, I was so hoping to get my free v-read and coast.
Now it looks like I have to put some work in.
Also, Colonel Lubriderm, you have no idea how disconcerting it is to see you take that avatar and have me think that GH was dead posting.
OK, anyone want to give me cliffs?
What are you talking about?
02-28-2021, 02:48
Logic
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
I forget; is there an easy way to ISO on the org, or no?
02-28-2021, 02:48
Arapocalypse
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Vote Visor
Will be around in a bit, would like to discuss why people think he's towny!!!!! Is it mainly stuff from day 1? Both day 1 plus day 2? What in particular?
Where do you want to go today, Visor? Where's your head at?
02-28-2021, 02:49
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
ara did you think i was the poisoner yesterday? jw
02-28-2021, 02:49
Logic
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
What are you talking about?
Which part?
The GH godread?
The GH avatar imposter?
Or my request for cliffs?
02-28-2021, 02:50
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
Which part?
The GH godread?
The GH avatar imposter?
Or my request for cliffs?
The whole
I wanted to coast on free v read but now i need to put in work
I have no idea what you're talking about there
02-28-2021, 02:51
Arapocalypse
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
Having read nothing, I was so hoping to get my free v-read and coast.
Now it looks like I have to put some work in.
Also, Colonel Lubriderm, you have no idea how disconcerting it is to see you take that avatar and have me think that GH was dead posting.
OK, anyone want to give me cliffs?
Not going to lie, that is the single best part of GH dying!!!!! :p
Hi Logic!!! Cliffs are that day 1 had Dya/Amy/Csargo (who subbed out for Rask later) at very high suspicon, dya/Amy for reasons of being underwhelming!! Day 2, the dya elimination was a bit of a given for most of the day, had a fairly meaningless EoD!!!
Unrelated, forgot formatting:
Vote: Visor
02-28-2021, 02:52
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
we cleaned up v/v/w wagons and v gh was killed for being tied to w dya
is literally all that has happened
pretty boring game so far, all things considered
02-28-2021, 02:53
Arapocalypse
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
ara did you think i was the poisoner yesterday? jw
No comment!!!
...Actually, maybe!!
I didn't think it was pzelda, anyways; had a bit of a vanilla town read on him for various reasons!!!
02-28-2021, 02:53
Logic
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
The whole
I wanted to coast on free v read but now i need to put in work
I have no idea what you're talking about there
Are you implying you don't know about the GH godread of me, every single game?
This is Manti, right?
I'm going to be very confused in either case.
02-28-2021, 02:54
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
Are you implying you don't know about the GH godread of me, every single game?
This is Manti, right?
I'm going to be very confused in either case.
Tell me why that matters?
02-28-2021, 02:54
Arapocalypse
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
My gut feeling is
manasi doesnt yolo vote dyachei while somewhat lurking, esp when dya would likely Hitler Gets Bussed in that situation
Are you talking about yesterDay and also ?
I'm mostly disregarding yesterday's wagons/vote logic, considering the stagnancy/pre-determinedness of the EoD!!!!!
02-28-2021, 02:54
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arapocalypse
Are you talking about yesterDay and also ?
I'm mostly disregarding yesterday's wagons/vote logic, considering the stagnancy/pre-determinedness of the EoD!!!!!
Day 1
02-28-2021, 02:55
Arapocalypse
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Still very much annoyed at that whole GH/dya w/w thread because of how yesterday was constructed; I'm actually going to compile thoughts on that, please hold!!!
02-28-2021, 02:55
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manasi
vote: Dyachei
any spongers
char
02-28-2021, 02:55
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
what a weird thread
manti putting in effort
ara voting visor
two different people rushing to make sure people dont clear me because of some dya comment.
weird
02-28-2021, 02:57
Logic
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Tell me why that matters?
OK, if you are manti, you acting like you don't know about the GH godread is really [redacted] odd.
If you are not manti, it's a mighty strange coincidence that you are using one of his aliases and a related avatar.
02-28-2021, 02:58
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
OK, if you are manti, you acting like you don't know about the GH godread is really [redacted] odd.
If you are not manti, it's a mighty strange coincidence that you are using one of his aliases and a related avatar.
this is why i think the visor vote is weird. he can be a wolf but i wouldnt kill him before someone not on dya today.
probably someone on csargo
like me
02-28-2021, 02:59
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm
this is why i think the visor vote is weird. he can be a wolf but i wouldnt kill him before someone not on dya today.
probably someone on csargo
like me
I agree, that's why I'm voting monty
02-28-2021, 03:00
Hally
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
rip. gg capage, sorry gh
also welcome logic
i’m still at work but will be around in a bit
02-28-2021, 03:01
Logic
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Okay?
I am going to ignore you for a bit as your lack of engaging dialogue is not helping me solve you at the moment.
02-28-2021, 03:01
Logic
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Currently ISOing Dya.
Answers are probably in there.
02-28-2021, 03:02
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
Currently ISOing Dya.
Answers are probably in there.
Narrator:
They weren't
02-28-2021, 03:02
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Eph and Hally are my clears at the moment.
I think esooa looks good on spew, but there is a specific line where I can see it be faked.
I gave my manasi read earlier, and I'm going to be okay with it for now.
Ara came to more or less the same conclusions as me last night, apparently, so I'm going to call her good for the moment.
Everyone else is broken into one of three groups: voted for dya; voted for cargo; voted off wagon.
I don't really have strong preferences inside those lower groups, and will likely spend the day deciding who we should kill.
02-28-2021, 03:03
Visor
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
manasi can def bus so wouldnt put it past her but i think her play is kinda just not paying attention
02-28-2021, 03:04
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
manasi can def bus so wouldnt put it past her but i think her play is kinda just not paying attention
I think if she votes dya there, dya pings her 5 times in wolf chat and yells at her until she changes her vote.
I haven't really wolfed with manasi, but my feeling is that she'd pay more attention to wolf chat than thread in this activity level, i'd think just cause its discord.
Thats more or less the basis of the read atm.
02-28-2021, 03:04
Logic
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
manasi can def bus so wouldnt put it past her but i think her play is kinda just not paying attention
That does seem her play regardless of alignment (but slightly more likely as town, iirc)
02-28-2021, 03:05
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Eph and Hally are my clears at the moment.
I think esooa looks good on spew, but there is a specific line where I can see it be faked.
I gave my manasi read earlier, and I'm going to be okay with it for now.
Ara came to more or less the same conclusions as me last night, apparently, so I'm going to call her good for the moment.
Everyone else is broken into one of three groups: voted for dya; voted for cargo; voted off wagon.
I don't really have strong preferences inside those lower groups, and will likely spend the day deciding who we should kill.
fuck it take my energy.
especially if it leads yo to voting me
this isnt sarcastic tilt. im a-ok dying if everyone promises to follow my legacy this time
02-28-2021, 03:05
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
I'd put visor as better than a coinflip v but not real strong feelings; visor's best connection was w/ amy and the dya stuff was a lot weaker. There were positive but fakable posts, more or less.
I was thinking of claiming masons with visor for the lolz this morning but instead posted a meme
02-28-2021, 03:05
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
im trading eph for ara on my list
02-28-2021, 03:06
Logic
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm
fuck it take my energy.
especially if it leads yo to voting me
this isnt sarcastic tilt. im a-ok dying if everyone promises to follow my legacy this time
I have a slightly less selfish take of "I'm a-ok dying regardless of whether people listen to my (probably garbage) reads."
02-28-2021, 03:06
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Actually, it would have been better to pretend not to have a read on manasi and pressure her to hopefully get some play out of her slot, but you know how it be
02-28-2021, 03:07
Logic
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Off a glance, Dya seems obsessed with talking to Maple and Hally.
Gut says she's trying to pocket one or both.
02-28-2021, 03:07
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
I have a slightly less selfish take of "I'm a-ok dying regardless of whether people listen to my (probably garbage) reads."
You don't get the luxury of an accepted death.
02-28-2021, 03:08
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Actually, it would have been better to pretend not to have a read on manasi and pressure her to hopefully get some play out of her slot, but you know how it be
i have the funniest shit to say to this
@Visor @Manasi
remind me in postgame
visor will laugh and manasi will either laugh or be like "wtf", maybe both
02-28-2021, 03:08
Maple
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
Off a glance, Dya seems obsessed with talking to Maple and Hally.
Gut says she's trying to pocket one or both.
Dya is somewhat legally obligated to talk to and/or about us somewhat at length, based on meta things.
Dya was definitely not bothering trying to pocket me, calling me a wolf lol
I policy lynch them for calling me w
02-28-2021, 03:12
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
the only person i actively want to kill on csargo d1 is montecorenot
outside of that i could see ara/manti being wolves but i dont have aan active desire to go there before people on rask(dolby/cuth)
when sunbae and i (and hally a bit too iirc) were the ones really pushing dya, and then sunbae stopped and i kept doing it instead of backing off once given an out
and then i kill sunbae who is village reading dya (i guess this is a really wifom argument but still)
you need to say
a) why i would play it this way
b) how it is more wolfy than other people making actual wrong votes
02-28-2021, 03:16
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
if montenot is a wolf then i might lay off cuth. im concerned cuth was villa reading dya. I'm concerned cuth was, what i feel like, lying about my intent of my posts to fit his narrative.
However i dont think the same way cuth does and it might be a miscommunication. He wasnted to go montecorenot and if that ends up being a wolf the world where he was a villa wrong on dya increases alot.
02-28-2021, 03:17
Visor
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
the more interesting question is why sunbae and pzelda died
both widely village read i guess?
Vote: Cuth
02-28-2021, 03:18
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
the more interesting question is why sunbae and pzelda died
both widely village read i guess?
Vote: Cuth
pzelda is a weird death imo
im going to do something rare and reread a dead villa
02-28-2021, 03:19
Visor
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm
pzelda is a weird death imo
im going to do something rare and reread a dead villa
the think that irked me the most about cuth other than the dya defense was how he characterized me saying to giver her a chance to do her thing was me defending them. it was an attempt at me trying to get people not to badger them so it doesnt turn into an AtE where we have to decide is dya annoyed as a villa or a wolf(which it did)
02-28-2021, 03:28
ColonelLubriderm
Re: Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]
i guess i could see how it could be interpretted that way. still hate having my thoughts misrepresented.
my plan was the initial one i suggested at the end of day which was poison dya, kill somewhere else , evaluate but then i reread the thread