Yep, epic battle - wonderful write up :thumbsup:
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Because he's Herakles!
So who's the last mafia - w&fs?
CR
hmmQuote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Well damn if I know, but it seems the burly guy got some more powers after having killed 4 (Warluster, Twilightblade, Ichigo and Northnovas).
So... TinCow I guess you should know who Banana B and Elite F protected last night.
Any investigations getting guilty results yet?
vote: woad&fangs until we can agree on a better candidate.
Man, that guy is good. Awesome write-up Kami.
So why was the fiery guy its target?
But after all that death, I will Vote:Abstain.
Ug. I think one of the doctors forgot to submit orders. This was not a good night. I will comment in detail in a little while.
how did banabob die if I was protecting him?
I think this might be kamikhaans revenge to even things in the game out after pever's WoG reveals.
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Sorry, fellow hellions :shame:
I believe I've "screwed the pooch" as the test pilots used to say.
Good luck waxing the angelic ones....I really fear you'll need it.
Ok.. this is how I think it played out.
The burly mafioso have had 4 succesful kills. We know from TinCow's and pever's roles that their abilities were extended when they had made a certain amount of kills.
TinCow's resurrection ability were released upon 4 succesful kills.
pever's ability to kill many (3?) would be relased when he had made 3 successful kills (or 4 if he lied about the number).
I propose that the burly killer got a similar killing power upon his 4th kill - he was able to attack 3 and killed 2.
We know he attacked TinCow - Were TinCow protected by Banana Bob?
So TinCow attacked Makanyane, Banana Bob protected TinCow and Elite Ferret protected Banana Bob.
The burly killer with his new power attacked TinCow, Elite Ferret and Banana Bob.
TinCow's kill was not blocked and Makanyane died.
Elite Ferret's protection was futile as he was attacked at the same time as his protection target.
Banana Bob was somehow able to protect TinCow... hmm this contradicts the statement above.
Pray tell us how this night should have worked TinCow...
Ok, re-reading the write-up, things are still bad, but not as bad as I had originally expected.
First, Seamus' death was expected. He was the other Detective. Unfortunately, both his name and FH's were listed in the old town thread that pever had access to. Since pever was clearly feeding info to the mafia, as shown by NN and FH's deaths the night before, it was only a matter of time before Seamus was hit. Seamus' identity was the only reason we were still keeping that thread secret, since there was still a tiny chance that the mafia did not have access to it and we didn't want to doom Seamus if there was any possibility of him living. With him dead, I don't see any point in keeping that thread secret anymore. I'm almost positive the mafia have access to the whole thing, so it doesn't help us to hide that information. So, here's the old town thread which was used up until pever's betrayal:
http://www.quicktopic.com/41/H/uMXUw342Hc7PQ
Also, here are the detective results I have from FH and Seamus:
Seamus:
Kommodus Innocent(N1), Yaropolk Innocent(N2), Rythmic Innocent(N3), Late PM (N4).
FH:
CA Innocent(N1), Prole Innocent(N2), GH Innocent(N3), TinCow Guilty (N4).
The deaths of BB and EF are the major blow to us, as they were both our doctors. In re-reading the write-up, though, it is clear that all orders were properly submitted. Obviously, Herakles has a special ability that allows him to kill doctors. This makes sense, since the doctors were Cerebrus and the Hydra, two creatures that Herakles defeated in Greek mythology. I guess Herakles got lucky, in that he attacked the doctor that was protected by the other doctor. Thus both doctors were in the same place and in battle against Herakles, and thus he was able to use his anti-doctor ability to kill them both at once. This hurts us significantly, but Makanyane's death helps us a bit.
So, there were 4 hits/deaths last night, conducted by three people. BB & EF were by Herakles. Mak killed Seamus, and then was killed by me. The other person that attacked me failed because BB was protecting me. That means that there were 3 mafia operating last night. With Mak's death, we are now down to 2... assuming that all mafia were active last night. If some didn't act, we could have more than 2 still alive. However, our bad luck in losing both doctors means that I will die tonight. There is no way to stop this and no sane mafia would leave me alive. I think it's in our best interests for me to kill one of the suspects tonight before I get killed myself. We can discuss that later, though. For now, let's concentrate on nailing one of them with a lynch.
Unfortunately, we have very little hard evidence to go on at this point. However, I think we do have it narrowed down pretty well. The final list of suspect in that town thread still seems accurate to me:
Hannibalbarc
Crazed Rabbit
Fahad I
Sarathos
woad&fangs
Mouzafphaerre
I'm not sure what to think at the moment and I will hold off on voting until we get some analysis and discussion going. However, right now my top two suspects are Mouzafphaerre and CR. Mouza's last few posts have been comic gold. If he's not mafia, he's certainly doing a good job of posting like one. My suspicions about CR are two-fold. First, he's too quiet for a townie. I would expect more analysis out of him if he were pro-town, since he did a good job of it in Capo II. Second, his above vote was way, way too fast. He instantly jumped on a name that we had listed as a possible suspect earlier on, even though Sarathos was also discussed as a suspect and had more evidence against him. For this reason, I think we need to give a long, hard look at CR.
Big FoS: Crazed Rabbit
Big FoS: Mouzafphaerre
FoS: Hannibalbarc
FoS: Fahad I
FoS: Sarathos
FoS: woad&fangs
So, three mafia killers active? That means there are two left now. Still this game is winnable though.
on the FoS list..
I don't think Mouza is mafia.
Fahad, CR, and Hannibalbarc have posted(or not posted) in a style that makes me suspect them.. but, no big clues.. :embarassed:
:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I remember Cosa Nuova II, hosted by Kommo, where the mafia was able to recruit townies. Those townies were no more then puppets who were to obey the original mafiosi.
If all original mafiosi would die, the town would win.
Now, what if the resurrection = mafia recruiting townie puppets.
We have a guilty detective result on TinCow who admitted that he has killed 4 townies.
This game is confusing. Damn you, you evil kamikhaan ! You're making my head hurt!
Well, doesn't matter anymore if he's pro-town or not. I don't think he'll survive the night. ~;)
Now it's just classic mafia.. 2 killers left, and a bunch of town. need to pick our lynches carefully. :sweatdrop:
We'll see if TinCow dies tonight...Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
We lynch Crazed and TinCow kills Mouza tonight?
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say it, but it was a general PM query I made with kamikhaan at the start of the game:
Mafia: Always appear guilty
Townie/SK: Appear guilty only after they have killed
Which is why I suggested a while back to reinvestigate N1 results too.
Nvm
I made a mistake. I thought CR actually voted w&f with his post, which he did not. Without the actual vote, it seems less scummy. I am going to withdraw the "Big" part of my FoS against him. Also, in post #26 in the old town thread, pever stated that one of his mafia buddies suggested the grim reaper persona. I haven't looked for myself, but Rythmic says that woad&fangs was the first person to say this in the public thread. If pever was referring to a mafia buddy's statement in this thread, then it would be woad&fangs. However, if he was referring to a private statement, it might be someone else.
Also, Sarathos is something of a puzzle. pever claimed he would kill him, then didn't and killed Andres. This seems like mafia protecting one of his own. However, it could just have been a whim as pever suggests, since Sarathos was pever's kill suggestion in the first place. Also, pever claimed he would kill Sarathos when he was about to be lynched. This could have been a lie to protect Sarathos, or it could have been the truth to get pever some credibility if he had survived the day phase. I don't know what to think, really.
Revised FoS list:
Big FoS: Mouzafphaerre
Big FoS: woad&fangs
FoS: Crazed Rabbit
FoS: Hannibalbarc
FoS: Fahad I
FoS: Sarathos
Let's remove the wonderful narrative and examine the framework of events.
1. A attacks B, B Dies.
2. C attacks A, D & E approach.
3. C kills A.
4. D & E battle, F joins battle.
5. D kills E & F.
Players:
A = Mak' (fully incinerated, no raise likely here); blue w/ 2 blades
B = Seamus (Good riddance to bad rubbish)
C = TinCow (assumes he issued orders as stated) black blade was used (part of signature from before, see CSI post).
D = Club/SS man -- presumed to be Herakles, which also fits with kill partics on E&F
E = BananaBob (Hydra, successfully protected TinCow)
F = Elite Ferret (Cerebus, failed to protect BananBob [25% chance?])
Thoughts & Musings:
Mak's character was clearly one of our killers. This is the ONLY "very likely to be angel mafia" type now dead. (Kalraati)
A second "very likely to be angel mafia," our dear Herakles, was unhappy not to be able to "complete his mission" which the writeup suggests means that he was targeting TinCow. However, if there real is a Heraklian ability to kill the mytho-beasts, I suspect that this is a canard and that Herc got the hoped for result. (Heracles)
At the outset, Kami suggested 2-4 mafiosi (angels), 2 Docs, 2 Dicks, plus other characters.
As of now, TinCow's summary suggests that all 4 basic power roles for the town are dead. Only specialist roles remain.
pevergreen's role is indeterminate. He was a claimed multiple killer, but argued that he was transforming into a powerful pro-town figure thereby. We disagreed and lynched him. The "old" thread does not show him well. Killing folks because they were "annoying" etc. Too petulant. Of course, TinCow made essentially the same argument....However, TinCow's discussion in the "old" thread does lend his role claim more credibility. He was very open and his subsequent actions have matched his claims.
How innocent is innocent? Godfathers in many games read as "innocent." Does this mean that one of the results obtained by the supposed detectives listed in TC's assessment are false?
I missed something obvious. Fahad I was attacked on N3 by the mafia, thus he can't be one. The FoS list narrows:
Big FoS: Mouzafphaerre
Big FoS: woad&fangs
FoS: Crazed Rabbit
FoS: Hannibalbarc
FoS: Sarathos
Damn, yeah, good one TC, how could we forget about that one? :dizzy2:
Anyway... with only 5 possible mafia left this should be a town victory. :yes: :beam:
Hm... I was suspicious of both Crazed Rabbit and Hannibalbarc earlier. I think I will:
Vote: Hannibalbarc
What's your opinion of the proceedings? You've been following them closely but not commenting much. :inquisitive:
I don't think Mouzafphaerre is guilty, a mafia won't be that stupid as to FoS the townie network.
I still think da townie network is teh scum though.
IIRC we had a 15%-25% to kill the person we were blocking. I dont think we had a failure percent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
My Fos list is the same as TC's except myself removed, and which mafia are left?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
Heracles, and who is the other guy, is he the shape shifter? I got confused with all these mafia monsters, oh and Kommodus, lynch me and the mafia are one step closer to winning as it would be a wasted lynch, although I still think it's unlikely the mafia will win.
My FoS towards Hannibal is growing.. :no:
Atropos, where are you?
I have done as you have asked. I have brought your one soul back and will soon finish with the second. My end of the bargain has held up, O Mistress of Destiny. Now I want you to hold up yours. I want you to cut the threads.
BAPHOMET WANTS HIS ARMY!
I have tried to find you privately, but alas, my efforts have been in vain. I put the message out here in hopes that you will respond. Time is running low and I will finish with the process this night. Show yourself, Fate, for the good of the Netherworld.
*shock!* :dizzy2:
haha, this game is sweet.