I don't tip. But I live in Australia where it is assumed that the minimum wage covers the basic cost of living.
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I don't tip. But I live in Australia where it is assumed that the minimum wage covers the basic cost of living.
OK, well here you are expected to tip because the staff is payed about a dollar an hour. The manager then takes most of the tips and threatens to blacklist you if you squeak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
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Originally Posted by Risasi
The only reason someone should get 0% is if they took a dump on your microwaved tuna melt sandwich. Even then, I would give 10% for effort.
Do you guys also tip in fast food joints or other places or only in restaurants where the waiters have the appropriate dress and the sign above the entrance says "Restaurant"?
Does it matter whether or not I tell you? Europeans are always pretending they "forgot about tipping" because they need the extra 3 Euro for their backpacking trip to Yellowstone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Eh, I do actually forget sometimes, or at least I used to. At the moment I often round up (not always to the next thousand, sometimes a thousand or two more), at least in fast food places and sometimes even in supermarkets. It has the additional advantage that I don't get buried in coins worth only hundreds of $.Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
I'm often too lazy to calculate percentages though and yes, I seriously often wonder if I'm at a place where I should tip or not, short of asking the employees for their wages I'm not sure how to tell.
It's an American conspiracy to get you to take away all of our pennies and nickels (no one likes worthless coins).Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
I would have given you a full detailed answer as a follow up, but I realized I have to hit the gym. Rule of thumb, if they bring food/drink to your house you tip them, if you sit down and they bring food/drink to your table, you tip them. Also tip cab drivers. And valet people. And hotel bellmen. And other people.
Silly rule.
I do tip, usually a lot (did some bartending), but I have a huge problem with the American system. The tip is supposed to be me saying thanks for the service, not me paying the salaries instead of the owner.
Probably because of the high costs of service here too. I think we typically pay double the price of our American cousins on these things. The thing is, we don't mind much, because after all, they need to eat themselves, but it feels really alien how the Americans do it and no, they don't just tip $3 like ACIN implies, they tip like $20. Which ends up being half the cost of the meal or more (depends on said meal). This is especially alien as we would typically have ordered a more expensive meal instead since we only wanted to pay the $30 whatever?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarmatian
Problem with tipping for living vs tipping for exceptional service...
If you need to survive on tips you are being underpaid. The owner/operator can go boom/bust sure. But by minimizing wages they are transferring a large part of the operating cost to the employees/wage serfs. Transfer of the risk to the staff, but I assume all the rewards go to upper management and owners.
For instance will you tip more for slow or fast service? A frown or a smile? Order kind of what you wanted medium vs medium rare steak?
Guess what are all these at the control of the individual employee or has the owner made a business decision to under staff for the shift? Two wait staff instead of three so the staff cannot swiftly handle all the guests, tired so they aren't genuinely smiling just those over the top teeth grinding grins, whilst the kitchen staff also go short handed and orders get down less than perfect.
And to add to all that fun the people who get penalized for the owner understaffing will be the staff who not only don't get a living wage their tips will diminish too.
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https://www.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleD...uide.docx.aspx
Minimum hourly rate here for an adult in the restaurant trade is $17.29
What?? You expect JOB CREATORS to PAY WAGES? The Holy Esteemed Order of the JOB CREATORS are above all other classes here in the Glorious Classless Democratic Northern Greater Republic States of America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarmatian
But the meal was cheaper, so you payed less money on the meal. You know NOTHING of US American economics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Wait, why and who is tipping $20 for a meal?
I actually went back to double check because it was bothering me. I was arguing with AntiDamascus about discussing with people who hold absurd views, over a year ago. I wish I could apologize to her (him?).
I do. $20+ actually. A decent steak dinner for two easily costs $100 or more, and I usually tip at least 20%.Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
Thank fully I live in Aus and can afford a good steak for a fraction of that cost. And good coffee too.
And that is the perfect example of how idiotic the system is.Quote:
Originally Posted by rvg
If you go to the supermarket and buy everything you need for a decent steak dinner for two - steaks, wine, vegetables, everything - and cook it at home, there's no chance that it would cost you more than 30$.
So you already pay 70$ or more for service, but than you're expected to pay 20$ more for, wait for it, the service.
And we haven't even touched the issue of how the steaks affect climate change.
Explain how steaks effect climate change.
Air -> Grass -> Animal -> Air
On a short term (geological scale) cycle:
Animals are part of a biological cycle and are not adding any net carbon to the atmosphere.
Digging up and burning coal is an additive process.
It seems that they actually do, Pape.
We grow a lot of cattle (in the billion). Cows fart and burp a lot. In fact, according to a 2006 United Nations’ Food and Agricultural Organization study, all these cows are responsible for more greenhouse emissions than vehicles used by humans for transportation.
Ok those farts were grass which gets CO2 from the air.
Grass doesn't get (directly) carbon from oil drilling or fracking.
Methane is a more potent gas than CO2 for Climate Change but farming cattle is also man made since they wouldn't be so numerous if we're not farming them.
Can't afford to eat at restaurants? Don't do it then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarmatian
Don't like to tip? Don't do it then.
I go to a the steakhouse on my own free will and leave a tip on my own free will. What exactly is the problem?
Yes and no. Most natural large fauna and flora have been wiped out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1026172050.htm
Rotting swamp matter creates a plethora of carbon gasses. Rotting vegetation in general releases carbon gases. Given the way hydro dams have been deployed the rotting vegetation under the water also releases carbon gases.
These are all part of a short term sink and release cycle.
The difference with fossil fuels is a very quick release of a long term sink.
Cattle are the least of our worries.
The melting arctic may free up more methane than the planet has seen in a long, long time:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-ice-retreats/
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...n-state-coast/
Exactly permafrost chilled methane, coal and gas deposits are all long term sinks that are normally part of a very very long cycle of deposit and release.
Releasing a lot of them over a short time frame is what is driving up the net amount of carbon as we don't have the sinks to take it back as fast as we release it.
Not surprisingly, Exxon had the goods on this 40 years ago.
Can't blame them for trying to stay ahead of the curve? (much like the tobacco companies)
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-40-years-ago/
Tipping is one of the most stupid things I can think of. In fact, it is bribery. But if you "tip" a governmental official for doing his job well, it is bribery. If you do the same to a hotel boy or a waitress, it is gratitude for the pleasure you received. Can't really see the difference, unless in amounts paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by rvg
Come on, they have their wages, why should you pay additionally for what they are supposed to be paid by their employer?
There's no need to justify not tipping, you're not required to do it. I do it because I like doing it. If course I do not tip where tipping is not expected, but wherever it is expected, I try to be generous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilrandir
When "We the People" don't matter:
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marb...lan-poll-chart
Much like background checks on guns...
You are not required, but the social environment imposes that "expectation" upon you, so you have to conform to it whether you like it or not, otherwise you will be looked askance, mocked or even reprimanded by those who would spot the inadequacy (as they believe) of your behavior. So it becomes not a matter of your free choice, but a social norm which you can't ignore without incurring moral penalties. Moreover, I heard that in some places the tip is officially included into the price of the meal. Here it became an official regulation (don't know how legal it is).Quote:
Originally Posted by rvg
But what pisses me off most is the arbitrariness of the services eligible for tipping. Why don't you tip librarians, school teachers or cashiers? Don't they deserve generosity from the customers?