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Enjoy your holiday. I shall send my finest Cossack guards to accompany you!
Have a good holiday, Franc. I really enjoyed your take at the Belgian history this update. You know your history well.
Yea. There is NO WAY revolting would ever be associated with Belgian beer. :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peasant Phill
1828/1829 --Income next year----A-cost -----------------Fleet -----------debt --------------Army seize
AUSTRIA -----14.000.000 --------15.650.000 ----------100.000 ------103.250.000 ------229.000
PRUSSIA -----8.000.00 -----------11.500.000 ----------500.000 ------154.500.000 ------115.000
RUSSIA ------7.000.000------------ 3.000.000 ----------0 ---------------192.000.000 --------50.000
ENGLAND ----14.000.000 ----------5.400.000 ----------4.500.000 ----170.300.000 -------45.000
FRANCE ------7.000.000 -----------4.000.000 -----------600.000 -----186.950.000 ---------40.000
Sardinia -------4.000.000 -----------3.600.000 -----------150.000 -------7.400.000 -----------40.000
Netherlan -----5.5000.000 ---------1.500.000 ---------3.200.000 -------9.100.000 ----------15.000
Egypt ---------4.500.000 ----------3.500.000 ------------700.000 ------37.800.000 ---------50.000
Poland --------2.000.000 ----------4.000.000 ------------0 -------------- 2.000.000 --------40.000
That's a little more readable. I don't know how to draft a table.
Franc: My army numbers are off. That's only the size of ONE of my armies. The details of which are in the outline I sent you. I'll send you an update with a few tweaks.
Is this the start of the new fiscal year then?
Umm, I don't have a fleet...
The Prussian Government hereby agrees with the Frankfurt Assembly's proposal, and we shall send elected representatives of the Kingdom of Prussia. We propose that seats in the Assembly be allocated as according to the each country's percentage of the total population of Germany. We look forward to discussing ways to decrease the trade barriers between the German states.
To the Catholic population of Prussia; the time for unrest is over. Your cries for religious equality have been muddled with the demands for chaos and tyranny by anarchists and republicans. In the confusion that arose, Berlin managed to see only disobedience when we should have seen discrimination. For this, I have appointed a new Chancellor to show my sincerity in admitting responsibility for the deaths in Cologne. I have thus agreed with the Chancellor to change our policy towards Catholicism:
Protestantism shall no longer be the state religion of the Kingdom of Prussia; rather, Christianity shall be established as the religion of the state, in order to incorporate all good German Christians. All offices that were previously open to Protestants shall now be open to people of all faiths, with the exception of the monarchy. It is important to remember that we are all Germans, and that it is a terrible tragedy that we are fighting amongst ourselves whilst Germans endure a foreign yoke in Schleswig-Holstein and Luxembourg. I am directing the Industrial German Bank to focus on investment in business and industry in the Ruhr region around Cologne, to help lift the Germans in that area from poverty and reduce economic tension. I hope that our Catholic fellow Prussians will accept the apology of the Prussian state, and trust that it will alleviate the concerns of the people of Cologne.
To that end, Prussia strongly condemns the French invasion of Luxemburg. We demand that the French remove 3/4's of their forces from Luxemburg, and accept that a Prussian force of equal to to 1/4 of French troops left in Luxemburg join the French as a peacekeeping force. We regard with disdain the French government's rashness in resorting to cannon fire before diplomacy, and regret the many Germans who have been killed by the French. We propose that a compromise is reached, and that the moderate Leopold IV, Duke of Anhalt be appointed Duke of Luxemburg, in an attempt to reconcile the differences between the liberals and conservatives in Luxemburg. We call to all Germans to support Prussia in it's endeavours to secure the liberty and security of the German Volk in Luxemburg.
Prussia also calls for moderation in the Netherlands internal dispute, and wishes that both sides will not resort to violence.
OOC: Wasnt Csargo playing Prussia?Maybe you should check with him before you make any manifestations?The operation in Luxembourg was completely approved by Prussia.Also as Luxembourg is part of Netherlands.Prussia doesnt have any business appointing anyone to govern it.France restored peace in Luxembourg according to request of our Dutch allies and with consent of Prussia, Austria and Great Britain. Luxembourg is internal affair of Netherlands, so please adjust your comments according to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Subotan
After Old King Csargo passed away, I ascended to the throne. If there was correspondence between you and Csargo regarding Luxemburg, then I was not informed about it, and I regret that. However, I do not regret the change in policy that Prussia has towards the Luxemburg Crisis.Quote:
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Prussia - Subotan
Your actions were intended to restore peace to the Netherlands and return Europe to stability; they have in fact unleashed chaos upon the continent! Your occupation of Luxemburg is not just regarded as illegitimate by Luxemburgers and Germans, but by people across Europe. You have no business in restoring the people of a free state to domination by a hated King.
Even it if was still a domestic issue of the Netherlands (Which it clearly isn't), it is clear that King Warluster has lost control of the situation. How could you expect a Protestant Dutch King to rule over a bilingual French and German population? Our proposal shall restore the peace you have destroyed, whilst not swinging recklessly Radical.
There is nothing at stake here for you. You say you wish for peace in Europe; if that is true, than a proposal which involves more European involvement would surely be a good thing. Unless, of course, you have ulterior motives...
To Prussia,
So you are threatening the integrity of Netherlands by meddling into their internal affairs? France has not escalated anything, but put down an illegal rising against the lawfull government of Netherlands.France came invited to restore peace in Dutch lands and Prussia has the audacity to meddle into internal affairs of Netherlands. France would be very interested what the other Great European powers have to say about Prussia violating the Concert of Europe. It would seem clear that the new ruler of Prussia has little respect towards international agreements and is possessed by National fanatism. You are not Germany, but each German state is guaranteed by the concert of Europe.If you violate their self integrity. You can expect a proper reaction from the Concert. Consider yourself warned from interfering on internal affairs of Netherlands. France is sad to see that the new Monarch of Prussia eliminates the changes of better Franco - Prussian relationship to develop, which was progressing well before the change in Prussian leadership.
Louis-Philippe I, Royaume des Français
Meddling? I always thought meddling was defined as invading a country and occupy it, rather than wishing to restore it's territorial integrity. I do not claim to be the Monarch of Germany, but I am a Monarch of Germans, and it is my duty to defend Germans wherever they may be found. They are found in sufficient quantities in Luxemburg to warrant action by the Prussian state. You may
I have proposed an amiable alternative to the fiendish plot you suggest, the oppression of Luxemburgers. The Prussian Plan is to allow the Duke of Anhalt, an independent monarch with moderate credentials, to ascend to the throne of Grand Duke of Luxemburg. This solution would both please the people of Luxemburg, without being too radical.
You say I am acting without the permission of the Concert. If that is so, then why did France decide to act unilaterally to seize Luxemburg for itself? Surely if they were acting in the interests of the Concert, then they would have erquetsed aid from the German Confederation as well.
Rulers of Europe, see how hard it is to dislodge the Frenchman once he has wedged himself into the cracks of the wall of Luxemburg. It is self evident that he has no respect either for the wishes of the people of Luxemburg, or the international balance of power. We all know that Luxemburg is a strategic point. With Luxemburg under the control of the French, The Rheinland is wide open to a Napoleonic onslaught. However, we are considerate enough to not desire this fortress for ourselves. Luxemburg must be a neutral state.
To Prussia,
First you are not King of Germans. You are a German king.More accurately Monarch of Prussians.You dont hold any power over Germans as people. I think Austria for example can educate you about that bit.What the Prussian Monarch doesnt seem to comprehend is that France has not seized anything, but helped our allies after their official request. Luxembourg remains as part of Netherlands, like internationally decided in congress of Vienna. Prussia does not have any kind of say to internal matters of Netherlands. If you insist you do,then you are attacking the self autonomy of Netherlands, thus turning against the Concert. Prussia does not have any right to proclaim anyone to rule Luxembourg. It is insulting to begin with that you feel the right to try and start negotiating with France about the fate of Dutch possessions. France will guarantee as part of the Concert the current Dutch possessions and the integrity of Netherlands as independent monarchy.
Other then that we feel your propaganda insulting to France and hereby do not consider you a friendly state to us anymore. It is a pity as we thought Prussia would be a positive force, which would work hard in order to settle down the turbulences in Germany, but it seems that you are only trying to gain more power with this excuse.I hope the other powers of the concert will aknowledge and judge accordingly your insolence and disrespect towards your neighbours. We have nothing else to add to this conversation. Instead we would like to hear the opinions of the other Great powers about the illegit charges of King of Prussia and their views about his meddling with internal affairs of Netherlands.
Louis-Philippe I, Royaume des Français
Esteemed members of Congress:
I am pleased to announce a recent agreement between the British, Austrian, and Russian empires. This agreement will end the bloody siege of Constantinople and restore peace in the region. The agreement is as follows:
The Ottoman Empire will be divided into the following spheres of influence:
1. The land from the north of Greece and between the Adriatic and black sea will be under the protection of the Austrian Empire.
2. Greece and the islands in the Adriatic, excluding those claimed by Egypt, will fall under British protection.
3. Asia Minor will be under Russian protection.
4. Constantinople, known as Istanbul by non-Orthodox powers, and it's environs will be under control of an equal representation of Russian, Austrian, and British governance. Constantinople shall be a free port and serve as a location where the great powers can freely meet to discuss issues. Russia, Austria, and Great Britain will guarantee the openness of the Dardanelles. Any attack on the city or closure of the straights grants a caucus belli against that sovereign.
The Ottoman Empire will not officially be dissolved. Each great power will serve as protector over their spheres of influence and not annex the territories. The current Ottoman leadership will be exiled to Saint Helena and a new Sultan chosen from among the Ottomans. The Ottoman Sultan will remain head of state and no party will force religious conversion. A decentralized government focused on localized, regional rule will be established.
Let this be an example to all that such disputes over cities can be peacefully resolved. Once order is restored in Constantinople I invite representatives from France and Prussia to come and discuss their issues peacefully, lest the continent be plunged into war yet again.
Nicholas I
Emperor and Autocrat of All the Russias
King of Poland; Grand Duke of Finland
France congratulates Russia,Austria and Great Britain for this treaty! But we must honourably decline Russias invitation to negotiations with Prussia. Based on the following reasons.
Neither Prussia nor France has a say in internal affairs of Netherlands. Which should be decided by the Dutch Monarchy and their parliament.The issue of Luxembourg is not international, but national affair, so foreign powers do not have a mandate to decide over Dutch issues, unless the Congress decides that Luxembourg and Belgium are not part of Netherlands anymore. Which in principle would violate the earlier decisions of the Congress. So if there is not concencus amongst the European great powers that the Luxembourg and Belgian rebellion is international conflict, there is nothing to talk about. Expect the false accusations of Prussia and their propaganda against France.
I already said that >_>Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
I do not claim to be the Monarch of Germany, but I am a Monarch of Germans, and it is my duty to defend Germans wherever they may be found.
That's what you say now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Asking for aid to help oppress his own subjects? What a joke. That is not aid, but tyranny.
The Monarch of the Netherlands has clearly lost control of the situation. The circumstances the Concert was built upon have changed, and it was be foolish to try to stand against the March of Time. If the concert wishes to survive, then it must adapt to changes in the Balance in Power, such as Luxemburg's position becoming untenable. The occupation of the Luxemburg fortress by the French is a severe threat to Prussia and world peace. The temporary condominium between you and myself would alleviate those fears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
This is coming from the country which seized a strategic fortress in the name of "aid"? How droll!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Just to remind the other Great Powers; I'm the one saying that he should agree to share the fortress temporarily, after he invaded, sparking chaos across Europe.Quote:
I hope the other powers of the concert will aknowledge and judge accordingly your insolence and disrespect towards your neighbours. We have nothing else to add to this conversation. Instead we would like to hear the opinions of the other Great powers about the illegit charges of King of Prussia and their views about his meddling with internal affairs of Netherlands.
Peaceful discussion sounds like a great plan (As opposed to invasion), although somewhere closer to both of our borders would probably be more suitable. Switzerland perhaps?Quote:
Let this be an example to all that such disputes over cities can be peacefully resolved. Once order is restored in Constantinople I invite representatives from France and Prussia to come and discuss their issues peacefully, lest the continent be plunged into war yet again.
And thus the chameleon reveals his true colours. Spurning the offer to negotiate, France is selfishly ignoring the input of the other Powers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
You made it international by invading. Whether it was international or not prior to the invasion was disputable; it most certainly is now. Your foolish actions have made the situation a lot worse, with Brussels in the hands of extremists, and sparking riots all over Europe. I am trying to correct the mistakes of the French by reaching a consensus between the German people in Luxemburg and the Concert. You are imposing madness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
You are Monarch of Prussians.I am at loss of words with the Prussian Monarch. You dont remember claiming that you have authority to protect any German populations no matter what country they live in? Putting down a revolt is not opression. Revolting against lawfull government is a crime. punishable by death. Second the use of French troops to assist Netherlands doesnt violate any deals what so ever and does not make it international. If i would not support my ally if he has internal problems then my moral ground would be questionable. You can twist your words as much as you like, but you dont have any legimite rights to intervene in Dutch internal affairs at all. So please consult your lawyers next time before you start making pompous remarks. France is disappointed with the behaviour of the Prussian King and about the lack of knowledge about law and international agreements. Also your lack of knowledge of factual events disturb us.Bryssels was in hands of rebels well before France decided to help our Dutch allies. I am waiting for the Dutch King to make a statement and France will do as he decides. Prussia should also start showing some respect to Netherlands. The new Monarch has already succeeded in calling King of Netherlands as Tyrant and France as warmongers. We are very disappointed.
Louis-Philippe I, Royaume des Français
And Prussians are Germans. I am Monarch of a constituent state of the German Confederation, as is Luxemburg, and Prussia must respond to the damage caused by the French troops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
A revolt, yes. But when the Dutch monarch has lost control of half of the country, deals have to be spun, and the international community must adjust to the new reality, a crisis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
The only way it would not be international would be if the Netherlands was a province of France, which it clearly isn't. When a foreign power intervened in Luxemburg, you made it international. Thus an international response, with the input of Prussia, is required to correct this disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Again, if the Dutch King possessed the confidence of his people and his Parliament, then it would not even cross my mind to intervene on the behalf of the happy Luxembergrers. However, the opposite is the case, and as I border the Netherlands, and the Germans in Luxemburg, I must respond. To stand aside would be a crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Rebels who had the possibility of being crushed by Dutch troops. Your actions made that impossible, a self-fulfilling prophecy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
I am prepared to listen to the Dutch King as well, but he must be aware that concessions will have to be made. There is very little hope of the Dutch regaining control over the entire Low Countries, due to his internal position. The opinions of the other Great Powers must be considered as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Your only point is that you are not honouring the independancy of Netherlands as i already stated in my very first post. You somehow seem to think that Netherlands has lost its autonomy because of this rebellion, which is not the case. It is like saying that if Irish would rebel in Great Britain.You would automatically have right to intervene in British internal affairs. So your reasoning is false, unlawfull and against the Concert. There is nothing more to it. Our advice to you is that, remind the rebellions in your own lands and stay out of the affairs of other countries.
I have already taken steps to assure the Catholic protesters, and I trust that that protest shall shortly come to an end.
Of course the Netherlands has not lost it's autonomy. I suggested nothing of the sort. But a mere revolt has transformed into a full blown revolution, thanks to Frances' actions. Compromise is the only permanent solution.
Your analogy is false. Of course I would have no right to intervene if Ireland revolted. But if Britain asked for a French army to put down the rebellion, then I would feel the need to comment. Only if Ireland was populated by Germans and a key fortress that had to be kept in neutral hands to assure Prussian safety would I feel a need to intervene like this.
You can feel the need to what ever you want, but if ally of one country helps the said country in keeping peace and order. That doesnt give any third party any kind of mandate to intervene. Also. Before France accepted the call of our ally to help them, both Belgium and Luxembourg was under control of rebels. Now only Southern Belgium remains in the control of rebels. So do not out right lie. We regret continuing this talk with you as it is clear that you are just talking in circles, while the law and international agreements are against you. So like we said before let us wait the input of other countries and even more so the opinions of Netherland. Which is the solem power to have authority legimitely decide this issue.
Poland welcomes trade with all nations
Gone for 8 days and all of this happens! :clown:
Warman - have you been off with this operation on your wrists?Quote:
Originally Posted by |Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
I trust all has gone well - you seem able to type!!
Welcome back
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Originally Posted by King Kurt
Thanks KK. :yes:
I reply to all PM's once I read everything. I still can't play online like I use to of course, but with careful typing and rest every so often. I can type all I want.
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So as we dont have any responses from the other great powers. We ask should France understand this as other powers agreeing with Prussia and their accusations? If that is indeed the case.France will immediately withdraw from Luxembourg and will not react any further to anything happening in Germany or inside Dutch borders, if the Concert´s view is that helping an ally is indeed unlawfull act from France.. We think atleast in that case Prussia would be happy to restore peace in all Germany. We are most disturbed at the silence amongst the members of the Concert.
The Czar offered a forum for France and Prussia to settle this affair. France declined.
V.
With all respect to Russia and her Czar.Like we said already this is not issue to settle between France and Prussia.This issue is about Prussia violating the autonomy of Netherlands. France is obedient to the concert and if the Concert thinks France has violated international agreements with its actions helping Netherlands.France will accept that, but in that case the responsibility of protecting the autonomy and integrity of German states and Netherlands will move completely to the other members of the concert and France will not partake in any efforts concerning Germany or Netherlands after such decision.
The silence from the Dutch court is disturbing.
V.
Austrian Kaiser hopes the Dutch King is OK. Austrian Kaiser will make a comment of all the issues soon.
We have tried to reach the Dutch King in vain. It would seem our messengers cant get past Belgium. I hope we can reach him sooner or later.Which leads to another point also.Thanks to the Belgian rebellion our land trade with the Dutch is completely cut off. This is not acceptable.
Statement from The Duke of Wellington
We welcome the policing action of the French army in restoring order. It has our wholehearted support. We are concerned by the belicose stance of Prussia and hope that such expansionist policies will cease immediately.