Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

If it wasn't for Reenk covering all his bases.....or me putting pressure on you..you would have been content to watch Beskar kill everyone...do you recall what you said?:inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

The sad part is, I'm not even convinced you're scum, Beskar. But I can't reason with you when you're suggesting this was all my conspiracy against you when you have the facts which would evidently disprove that yourself.

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I mean, Reenk didn't even trust me...he trusts me to be "White_eyes:D":bounce:
not "White_eyes:D the innocent townie" (I admits that hurts:shame:) but it's just good mafia play..:shrug:

My best comment yet..

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Originally Posted by Beskar

I would have killed you, White_Eyes:D, on the first turn.

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

Too late for regrets, I am afraid:wink:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Ironically, if that had happened, we likely wouldn't have caught Ichigo. :laugh4:

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Ichigo has a tendency to be the first "lurker" killed though. With Beskar dead I don't think it would be too long after the "lynch the lurkers" started. We would have probably run through Atpg and maybe Sigurd before, but they deserved it for helping Beskar. :beam:

@ Atpg, despite your own comments on how you played, I think it's quite clear from an outsiders perspective that your saving of Beskar and being played by him was detrimental to the town A LOT. You got played by Beskar to be the insturment of his plan. He just failed to finish his plan at the end... :inquisitive:

The only reason your play didn't pan out to be a failure is because Beskar for some unexplicable reason decided not to kill you and AVSM allowing you to rat him out while alive. That's the way I see, I guess I'm crazy though. :rolleyes:

In all honesty, it was not only Beskar who gave Ichigo up, kinda unnecessarily, it was him who sealed his doom by not eliminating those who he was tricking. The credit goes to... Beskar for ruining the Mafia. :laugh4:

Ah well, I must admit Beskar, you are an ambitious player who did a good job avoiding the heavy fire you were under in the first rounds. :yes:

Lastly, I would like to see if Ichigo even lurked this game (according to his post standards). His win in SotM is considered a lurker victory though his activity went up... :inquisitive:

I'm not saying you did a bad job either, WE; I'm just saying we got Ichigo due to a little thing called patience. When someone claims detective to you, that's gold... because you know if you keep that person alive just a little while, you're helping town either way. Because if they fail to make progress, you can still point out all the innocent people. And, if they are scum, you can keep them close and watch what they do. And who knows... they might just reveal their partner.

And I was saying we should lynch Beskar on the next round anyway, which if he were a detective, would have been a good thing, and if he is scum, which he was, we would have lost nothing. Covering your bases and all that.

And I believe you were pointing to me and Sigurd as scum as recently as last round...? :laugh4:

@Reenk, sorry I just don't see how my play this game was bad. I'm just going to have to disagree with you on that, your hypotheticals aside.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

@Reenk, sorry I just don't see how my play this game was bad. I'm just going to have to disagree with you on that, your hypotheticals aside.

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You're putting words into my mouth for saying your play was "bad" as I only blamed you (and Sigurd) for saving Beskar early on being a detriment to the town... That play could be considered "bad" not your whole play...

Retrospective looks at Mafia are useless, but they're fun and that's what I'm doing.

But anyway, I won't step in front of your self glorification any longer, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

And I was saying we should lynch Beskar on the next round anyway, which if he were a detective, would have been a good thing, and if he is scum, which he was, we would have lost nothing. Covering your bases and all that.

And I believe you were pointing to me and Sigurd as scum as recently as last round...? :laugh4:

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Sigurd tripped my "graph checker"(I haven't named it, yet...:juggle2:) And you guys were both protecting the "Lynch-bait":smash: It looked so scummy it was not even funny...:shrug:

And you didn't cover all your bases:inquisitive:....If Reenk had not gone and warned me, it's hard to say if it ever would have came to light:no:

Beskar had you wrapped around his finger....I am just glad town didn't fall for it:2thumbsup:

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Mafia

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Originally Posted by 'Khaan

Greetings, Ichigo



You are the Naranbaatar, the Merkit agent. Your proud people have been oppressed and subjugated by Jenghiz Khan. Your tribe knows it must end his tyranny in order to restore the old order. It has agreed to a secret alliance with the Tatar tribe, who have sent their most promising young warrior, Beskar, as a partner to assist you. Each night, one of the two of you may venture into the camp to murder a member of the Mongol tribe, while the other guards your tent. Your objective is to eradicate the camp(town).

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

However, in secret, your tribe leaders confessed to you, that they still lack trust in the Tatar people. There are too many old wounds, they claimed, to form any full alliance. They advised you, once you felt secure in your position, to bribe one of the Mongolian tribesmen, to aid you, while secretly disposing of the Tatar. You are to maintain the facade of friendship in the meantime, lest he discover the plot. Do remember, though, that he is one of their strongest, most valiant warriors. Direct confrontation may prove dangerous. After you make TWO kills, you will be able to spend the following night sneaking out the tent to bribe one of the locals. The tribal leaders gifted you with a small bag of copper pieces to aid this. Your ACTUAL victory goals are to dispose of both the Mongols and the Tatar agent.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.


Good luck

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Originally Posted by 'Khaan

Greetings, Beskar

You are the Aynur, the Tatar agent. Your proud people have been oppressed and subjugated by Jenghiz Khan. Your tribe knows it must end his tyranny in order to restore the old order. It has agreed to a secret alliance with the Merkit tribe, who have sent their most promising young warrior, Ichigo, as a partner to assist you. Each night, one of the two of you may venture into the camp to murder a member of the Mongol tribe, while the other guards your tent. Your objective is to eradicate the camp(town).

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

However, in secret, your tribe leaders confessed to you, that they still lack trust in the Merkit people. There are too many old wounds, they claimed, to form any full alliance. They advised you, once you felt secure in your position, to bribe one of the Mongolian tribesmen, to aid you, while secretly disposing of the Merkit. You are to maintain the facade of friendship in the meantime, lest he discover the plot. Do remember, though, that he is one of their strongest, most valiant warriors. Direct confrontation may prove dangerous. After you make TWO kills, you will be able to spend the following night sneaking out the tent to bribe one of the locals. The tribal leaders gifted you with a small bag of copper pieces to aid. Your ACTUAL victory goals are to dispose of both the Mongols and the Merkit agent.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.


Good luck

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Town

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That's correct, there weren't any pro-town roles in the game. Anyone claiming a pro-town role was fibbing.






I hope this helps clear up a few things. I'm going to post a more complete summary later.

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

Beskar had you wrapped around his finger....I am just glad town didn't fall for it:2thumbsup:

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I disagree. I told him that I didn't fully trust him from the beginning, and I told people what was going on. If I had died, I still would have been screaming "lynch Beskar", I just wouldn't have been able to say why. Only AVSM or the clues I left behind would have.

You might say I had Beskar wrapped around MY finger. When I told him he had a few rounds of time before I exposed him for fake revealing, he got nervous. I never once fully trusted him, and his days were numbered. I wanted to follow his claim to see where it went, and it led directly to Ichigo.

*sigh*

I guess I'll just lynch anyone claiming detective from now on. :rolleyes:


Edit: Self-glorification? Oh my. You mean not thinking I was a total screw-up?

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Town

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That's correct, there weren't any pro-town roles in the game. Anyone claiming a pro-town role was fibbing.

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The same thing as Chicago Soiree... :laugh4:

Ah, well that explains why Beskar fingered Ichigo. That's an interesting position for the mafioso to be in.

Yeah, Ichigo was trying to set me up with the kills, he had to go. However, Khaan not revealing Ichigo was mafia was my downfall. :cry:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Ahahaha, I was right all along! Bow before my superior Beskar-detecting skills! :laugh4:

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I call you out on such abilities, there was no way you could have known. It was a fluke. You need to be far more consistent, since other times you did it, you were wrong. :yes: :wink: Statistical chance of accusing some one of Mafia game is bound to end up with that person as a Mafia some time. Same for those others who had theories completely inaccurate.

Also, for those hating ATPG, if it wasn't for him, you would have never have won. Keep that in mind. Other then getting one Mafia, Ichigo, lynched, if he didn't reveal, it was high chance the next two lyches would have been him and White_Eyes:D, then possibly Sigurd for a 3rd, leading up to a Mafia victory.

(Also Khaan making it only 1 kill between us :smash: Also, Khaan not revealing Ichigo was a Mafia :smash: )

Beskar, did you kill me randomly or was it a reaction to the "Cold Night" game?

It was Ichigo who killed you, not me. You have to ask him why, it was nothing to do with me.

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I call you out on such abilities, there was no way you could have known. It was a fluke. You need to be far more consistent, since other times you did it, you were wrong.

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I correctly called your identity in both this and Swords in the Moon early on. I CLAIM ETERNAL VICTORY. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I correctly called your identity in both this and Swords in the Moon early on. I CLAIM ETERNAL VICTORY. :laugh4:

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You called me Mafia in Swords of the Moon when I was Town!

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Originally Posted by Beskar

It was Ichigo who killed you, not me. You have to ask him way, it was nothing to do with me.

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oh..ok. nevermind.

Did not, and don't make me dive into the thread for proof.

Told you guys I was mafia... Oh wait it is over. Nevermind.:dizzy2:

Notes on the process and game structure.

I was a disappointed that I didn't get the full forty players I was hoping for in this game. Had I been able to get this, I would have had 4 starting mafioso, and one doctor. The doctor I ended up eliminating when the game failed to get the the required number of players. Mafia kill power was halved, though the total number of players was about 60%. Thus, the doctor was sacrificed for the purpose of balance.

Starting the game, Ichigo and Beskar were able to do one kill per night. Who killed was very important. After each one got two kills, they would be able to recruit a townie afterwards. After recruiting this person, each "sub-mafia" would get a kill for each mafioso. Thus, Beskar and Tratorix were both able to kill one person per night once the bribing was done with. This meant that, potentially, there could have been four kills per night once all recruitment was done. Since this is such a large number of kills per night, it was necessary to cut starting kills from two to one.

Now, for a few questions that might still be lingering. Ichigo apparently was having difficulty in obtaining consistent internet access. On night four, he failed to send me kill orders, while Beskar was out bribing tratorix. This would have been his second kill. Subsequent nights, he still was unable to send in orders, and thus he never was able to recruit. Had he been able to get the kill orders in, the balance of the game may have shifted, as there may have been substantially fewer townspeople in the last round.

A few other notes about the mafia. Beskar and Ichigo were both immune from a singular kill. In other words, if either one attempted to kill the other very early, the kill would have failed. This was done to attempt to guide the game towards both players being able to recruit their future partners. Once the mafia recruited there new partners, they could, however, both go after the other original mafioso and kill them at night. The exception was that, if both went after the other original mafioso on the night said mafioso was bribing a townsperson, they would find the tent empty for the night. Again, this was for balance to prevent a mafioso ganging up on his person by virtue of having gotten the two kills earlier when they were supposedly working together.

And lastly, the comet. I am being absolutely serious when I say this. The comet meant nothing as per being relevant to the game. When I was not getting orders from Ichigo on night four, I realized there would not be a night kill. I needed a plausible excuse for the town to think that there were still killers in the camp. I was sitting at my computer for about 20 minutes trying to think of something until it hit me that a bad omen from the heavens would be the most suitable, and a comet was the best I could think of. That it had two tails was basically an accident of writing. It wasn't meant as a spoiler or anything like that pertaining to the game.




Thanks everyone for playing, and congrats to the town for winning. :yes:

Thank you for hosting, Shinseikhaan.

I had a blast... I got to toss around a lot of lies and some jokes as well, and didn't get killed off this time. It was fun!

Thanks for hosting khaan, it was an entertaining game even though it didn't end well for me. I'm a little confused as to why Beskar told me he couldn't night kill while Ichigo was alive even though he apparently could, though. :inquisitive:

I was Wogged and Alive at the same time, I am God.

You were given a Wrath of Khaan....not quite dead...but not alive either...ask Reenk:clown::smash:

Victory! Sorry for not trusting you ATPG. Truthfully enough, Beskar's position was quite bad, but I was seeing scum written all over you. Guess I need glasses. >__>

EDIT: Thank you, mighty khaan!

It's ok, Jolt. I don't have a very trustworthy face.

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Plus all that lying I do constantly. :grin:

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Can I ask you guys who are blaming me a question? Would you have gotten Ichigo so early if Beskar hadn't pointed the finger at him? No. I was one of the ones voting for Ichigo early because I didn't buy his story. Furthermore, as soon as Beskar revealed to me, I told him that if he didn't hand over a mafioso in a few rounds, I would expose him for fake claiming to me. Then, I kept telling Beskar I would volunteer to reveal any guilty result he got. Which prompted the Ichigo reveal. I told you to lynch Beskar if he survived after the Ichigo reveal. AT MOST I said wait ONE more round. I started questioning Tratorix right after that, and voted for him, just as he had been recruited.

So yeah. That would be 3/3. If you think I somehow did a bad job this game, might I remind you that you thought I was scum the whole game, and I assisted in taking down the whole mafia team. I guess that doesn't matter though.

Final point: You really want me to just immediately lynch someone claiming detective in future games? Yeah ok. Good call. :laugh4: He still went down, I was just exploring the possibility of him telling the truth. In short... puh-leaze.

I'm not trying to take too much credit, this was a team effort, and a lot of it was luck. But if you think I did a bad job this game, you need to get your head examined, no offense.

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My story was sadly true, which hindered my activity greatly in this game. That's why I didn't kill in the 4th round. Sorry for messing up your game khaan. I could have done much better.

atheotes I picked you out randomly no real reason behind it.

You was just trying to frame me! :furious3::furious3::furious3:

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Originally Posted by Beskar

You was just trying to frame me! :furious3::furious3::furious3:

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Maybe I was don't remember though. But you got me killed, so I hold the moral high ground.:juggle2:

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

My story was sadly true, which hindered my activity greatly in this game. That's why I didn't kill in the 4th round. Sorry for messing up your game khaan. I could have done much better.

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If it helps matters, and it probably doesn't, it also disrupted the lives of two mafiosi in the Swords and d20's game over the past couple days. It hasn't been a very pretty week. :sweatdrop:

Yeah other then the mini-mafia(ATPG won):shame: It is going to the town:wink: