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Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
- the only player capable of breaking through Argentina's left flank defenses during the entire game - and he did it not once but dozens of times.
Well okay, he got through a couple of times, but to what end ?
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- he runs fast even WITH the ball under own control. He has same of better control than the others when he runs quickly
I don't doubt he is fast even with the ball, Klinsman put him in the team for that reason I reckon.
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- assisting the 1-0 goal in Germany vs Poland with a perfect pass
I'll believe you, as I forgot that - rather unexiting - match.
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Certain players are a lot better as substitutes than having in from start.
We are in agreement.
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A lucky victory in the end - I would not call it undeserved, considering the second part of the second hal and the extra time.
In the end Argentina played better from a technical point of view - but one did not really have the feeling that they did too much to actually win the game, i.e. they did not turn their superiority into any serious chances.
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Originally Posted by [DnC
] Now the wretched, undeserving beasts have gone through. Ugh.
Nothing against some healthy rivalry and competition but that was a comment that just shows complete lack of character. :no:
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Originally Posted by [DnC]
Now the wretched, undeserving beasts have gone through. Ugh.
No. I won't have that. Argentina lost. :laugh4:
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Damn spaghettis winning... For once they play well but they shouldn't have gotten to the quarter finals in the first place. Australia - Ukraine would have been so much more fun...
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Originally Posted by Red Peasant
Just bad losers the Argies, always have been. Professional dummy-spitters. Compare with 1990 final. Well done Germany, but a poor game only made compelling by what was at stake.
Don't forget Rattin in '66. Or their sporting celebrations after knocking us out on pens in '98....
Still, surprised to see you come out with summat like that mate, just goes to show that football related emotion trascends the spirit of socialist internationalism ~;)
And with your comments on Dudek, I take it you're a bluenose?
Anyway, not going to gloat too much over the Argies, England still have to play their game.....
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Originally Posted by Mount Suribachi
Don't forget Rattin in '66. Or their sporting celebrations after knocking us out on pens in '98....
Still, surprised to see you come out with summat like that mate, just goes to show that football related emotion trascends the spirit of socialist internationalism ~;)
And with your comments on Dudek, I take it you're a bluenose?
Anyway, not going to gloat too much over the Argies, England still have to play their game.....
I've not forgotten their many past indiscretions and lack of class, but I didn't want to appear bitter ~;)
Yes, I'm a bluenose (despite the misleading forum name). I was in Rome when Liverpool won and I think that I was the only person in the city that wanted the Gobshites to lose. The Romans hate Milan and Berlusconi with a passion. I'm still stunned to believe that an Italian team, and AC Milan to boot, surrendered a 3-0 lead. :no: I smelt a Mafia gambling fix straight-away, but how do I prove it?!
As for England, yes we'll have to wait and see. I'm convinced that they can beat anyone, but are they? I doubt it somehow, except for young Rooney who knows no fear it seems.
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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
Nothing against some healthy rivalry and competition but that was a comment that just shows complete lack of character. :no:
Indeed it was a bit harsh and uncalled for, I was just a tad angry at the time. I apologize.
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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
A lucky victory in the end - I would not call it undeserved, considering the second part of the second hal and the extra time.
In the end Argentina played better from a technical point of view - but one did not really have the feeling that they did too much to actually win the game, i.e. they did not turn their superiority into any serious chances.
Nothing against some healthy rivalry and competition but that was a comment that just shows complete lack of character. :no:
What a game. I got too excited even. Things that I broke during game:
-Phone (when Argentina scored)
-XBOX-360 Remote (when Germany couldn't put one in)
-Pillow (it ripped when I hit the TV with it)
-Lamp (when I threw the pillow when Lehman saved the PK.
I went beserk...:laugh4:
ONWARD TO THE DEFEAT OF THE ITALY :evil:
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Originally Posted by Soulforged
This word (fútbol) amuses me mate, are you by any change a latin american brother in US lands? Of course it lacks the tilde, but just curiosity you know...:2thumbsup:
I needed some way to make a distinction between American Football and Football as the rest of the world knows it. Oops. Forgot about soccer.
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Originally Posted by whyidie
I needed some way to make a distinction between American Football and Football as the rest of the world knows it. Oops. Forgot about soccer.
Yeah, I want to do that sometimes too, but that's more for the mexican - south american audiances.
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Originally Posted by [DnC]
I'm glad Saviola wasn't in, however Messi should have gone in instead of Cruz. You could see the argentinian play completely drift off course with high longballs instead of the passing they showed in the first half and beginning second half. Messi could have brought so much pressure and danger to the german team, I'm sure of it.
It's almost cliche to say this after you are out of any tournament, but the changes were wrong. Why take out Riquelme in this match, why not in the others, against Mexico he played really bad... but no it should be on this one and winning...:no: And I'm with you, all Argentina, except the parents and relatives of Cruz, is with you. Cruz is a tree, not a football player, he's stiff, he cannot play, and I don't know why coaches and some players like the way he plays... ufff... Messi in the bench...wtf?!!!! Cruz enters and Messi stays on the bench!!!! What was happening on Pekerman's head:wall: .
Odonkhor made Sorin crazy and there was no variation on that flank, Sorin persued him for the rest of the match without any clue and there was no change?
Well I could go on. In the World Cup winning is important not playing well, you get the prize by winning not by playing well... Not that Germany played bad, but it surprised me that they didn't look for the match since minute 0...
The penalties were amazing. Europeans are so used to be cold and concentrated that they know, from the young to the old, what to do in that moment. They shooted well, the goalkeeper did all well anticipating every move, and the argentians felt the burden... I feared penalties the most, because I knew that this was going to be the outcome...
And finally the referee...uffffffff.... whatever... :rolleyes:
Anyway it was good while it lasted. 20 years of illussion crumbled again before argentinians eyes, 16 years of illussion for me personally... No one here is satisfied with being between the first 8 teams... Yes that's how we live fútbol here, that's how we feel it, it manifest itself in the stadium, in the players and in the fans, in the whole country, and you can actually see people sad for the rest of the day waiting another 4 years for that prize alone...
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Originally Posted by Red Peasant
Just bad losers the Argies, always have been. Professional dummy-spitters. Compare with 1990 final. Well done Germany, but a poor game only made compelling by what was at stake.
No. The germans are bad winners. If I'm not mistaken some german player went directly to the face of the argentians to rub the match on their faces... That's called a bad winner... You can call me biased if you want...
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Originally Posted by Soulforged
No. The germans are bad winners. If I'm not mistaken some german player went directly to the face of the argentians to rub the match on their faces... That's called a bad winner... You can call me biased if you want...
I think you are biased, but so am I, so don't take this too seriously. I'm pretty sure the Argentinians started a little something, but I think I saw some arguements within Argentina. One or two players were yelling at the assist coach for Argentina.
If I were Argentina I would too. No offence, but I was loving the stupidity of the coach. It made it easier for Germany :bow:
I think that was the world cup match itself, but unfortunetly both teams can't advance. Argentina is better than Brazil. :bow:
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I agree with most of what you wrote, Soulforged.
Cruz is teh suck. Not playing Messi is a crime against football fans everywhere. And that German shouldn't have provoked the Argentinians indeed. Argentina still has a responsibility of its own however. Neither showed much class there.
I wonder what refereeing nastiness tomorrow will bring, I have a bad feeling about it. It is too early to have an Argentinian referee at an England game. Not because the ref will be biased against England, but because he'll be too eager to show he's not. With the refereeing being under fire already as it is, I fear he will be under too much pressure. It could lead to costly mistakes, or to him being being too focused on being impartial.
And Fifa is a Brazil cheerleading organisation indeed, which doesn't bode well. I wonder if our referee will be actually wearing that Ronaldo shirt he asked for after Brazil's game last week...
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The penalties were amazing. Europeans are so used to be cold and concentrated that they know, from the young to the old, what to do in that moment.
Hehe, somehow I don't think we'll see the English being cold and concentrated at the penalty spot tomorrow. :laugh4:
It's the quarter-finals already. Penalties, a traditional early exit and Scolari outwitting Eriksson yet again all loom for England. Which we can't have. England must progress - I want to see our boys rough 'em up in the semi's.
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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
Well he did try to copy Dudek...
On a side note, what do you guys think, does it have any effect whatsoever on the penalty kicker ?
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Lehmann was a statue compared to Dudek and his Grobbelaar dance.
Observe the shootout clips at the end of this video.
All keepers should take up such movements in shootouts, especially in a World Cup
- it could easily be enough to put the penalty taker off in such a tense situation.
[Full shootout.]
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Originally Posted by DnC
Indeed it was a bit harsh and uncalled for, I was just a tad angry at the time. I apologize.
Thanks, and accepted :bow:
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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Cruz is teh suck. Not playing Messi is a crime against football fans everywhere. And that German shouldn't have provoked the Argentinians indeed. Argentina still has a responsibility of its own however. Neither showed much class there.
Is there an special meaning for "the" written this way "teh"? Seriously...:inquisitive:
And I agree with you on Messi. There's no need to put him from the start, but why, why do you've to make him stay on the bench and put Cruz to play, I don't want to put all the blame on the coach, Cruz has something, not sure what, because it seems that only coaches and people that know him personally actually know what's that... Perhaps Messi and other young players before him are and were suffering from Maradona's curse, "Maradona was the best player and there is no possibility that other surpasses him... so don't put him to play..." About the provocation, is something of fútbol, I was expecting the argentinians to do it at some point (the fans sure did... :rolleyes:), I mean we're the best of the world so we should rub it in the faces of others :rolleyes:, it's very typical of latin american fútbol, but I didn't expect the germans to do it :shrug:
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And Fifa is a Brazil cheerleading organisation indeed, which doesn't bode well. I wonder if our referee will be actually wearing that Ronaldo shirt he asked for after Brazil's game last week...
France will win, and I want them to win. My mother is brazilian, but I don't care, if we're not the ones who will throw them out of the World Cup, then France will be the one, and France will get the Cup. That's what I hope, I'll not be happy, but at least I can realize my anger in secret while Henry fills the net...:2thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Soulforged
The germans are bad winners. If I'm not mistaken some german player went directly to the face of the argentians to rub the match on their faces... That's called a bad winner... You can call me biased if you want...
From what I have gathered there were provocations from both sides during and after the penalty kicks.
Argentinian players were verbally addressing the German players that went up for the kick and a German player made gestures asking Argentinian players to stop that - both probably not very sportsmanlike and unfortunately in line with a lot of little attacks we have seen during the game (again from both sides).
These are things that (should not but do) happen in such games were a lot is at stake for the teams.
What then happened went far beyond verbal attackd and gestures.
One Argentinian player kicked a German player after the the PKs and got the red card for it.
https://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9238/cufre1nr.jpg
Maxi Rodriguez went as far as running up to a German player (Schweinsteiger) to hit him from behind on the head.
https://img450.imageshack.us/img450/2317/maxi0ot.jpg
Not acceptable :no:
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Rooting for England and France.
Don't think Portugal got a chance, so many yellow cards already and those players missing the game to red cards will hurt them. Meanwhile England is strong with not injuries and only some cards.
I don't have high hopes for France but hope for the least that they play well against Brazil. I want at least a respectable match for even just one half if it has to be only that. Hope they win though!!!
Go former Empires but not Portugal!!!
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Originally Posted by Soulforged
It's almost cliche to say this after you are out of any tournament, but the changes were wrong. Why take out Riquelme in this match, why not in the others, against Mexico he played really bad... but no it should be on this one and winning
Exact same thing happened in the friendly against England - he took Riquelme off to "protect the lead", the game changed, and England came back from 1-2 to win 3-2
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No. The germans are bad winners. If I'm not mistaken some german player went directly to the face of the argentians to rub the match on their faces... That's called a bad winner... You can call me biased if you want...
You're biased. Argentine taunted England after they won on pens in '98. England did not respond with violence. Instead, they internalised their anger, remembered it, and used it as an additional motivation to beat you guys in 2002.
Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is a trend....
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Originally Posted by Mount Suribachi
You're biased. Argentine taunted England after they won on pens in '98. England did not respond with violence. Instead, they internalised their anger, remembered it, and used it as an additional motivation to beat you guys in 2002.
Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is a trend....
Agree completely. Argentine team just couldn't handle losing.
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Originally Posted by Mount Suribachi
You're biased. Argentine taunted England after they won on pens in '98. England did not respond with violence. Instead, they internalised their anger, remembered it, and used it as an additional motivation to beat you guys in 2002.
Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is a trend....
Totally agree, Argentina are real sore losers. Which is why i had a huge grin on my face after the final whistle ~D
I dont like either team whatso ever, but after the '98 incident, they have always been top of my hate list. Good riddance, we dont want pathetic players like that winning the world cup.
Cufre, the player that kicked Mertesacker in the leg...twice, should be BANNED from international football for a bloody long time. But have FIFA got the balls to do it? I doubt it. Sepp Blatter is all talk and no action, i bet he'll just give Argentina a fine, a slap on the wrist and that will be it.
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Did anyone see how Maradonna reacted? :inquisitive:
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Originally Posted by Divine Wind
Cufre, the player that kicked Mertesacker in the leg...twice, should be BANNED from international football for a bloody long time.
I couldn't agree more, and also Maxi Rodriguez for his cheap shot to Schweinsteiger's head!
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Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Did anyone see how Maradonna reacted?:inquisitive:
Maradonna, no doubt he hit some German's using that Hand of God of his.
EDIT: In my posts I mean no offense to you Soulforged, and I am sorry if I have offended you. :balloon3:
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Argentina coach resigns
Seems he's going to move into all-in-wrestling and boxing as a coaching career.....:laugh4:
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Today it's France vs. Brazil here in Frankfurt (I wish I had tickets...)
We already saw the fans fraternizing in the city this morning:
https://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2083/footie12gi.jpg
https://img307.imageshack.us/img307/3686/footie23jd.jpg
looking forward to a hopefully great match ~:)
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Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Argentina coach resigns
Seems he's going to move into all-in-wrestling and boxing as a coaching career.....:laugh4:
To be completely honest, I think what Argentina needs isn't Pekerman resigning, but Pekerman getting an appropriate co-coach. Pekerman has improved Argentina's TACTICS well, but his sense of strategy is lacking. I doubt many coaches are able to achieve so much in terms of tactical abilities of a team. The 1-0 lead and complete domination of the first part of the game was as much caused by his positive sides as the equalizer and loss was caused by his shortcomings... Ah well...
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France vs Brazil will be amazing, because France, as I explained before, will win with 5 goals to 0, the amazing team from 1998 will come to live again like never before! Or not... We'll see...
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I'm taping both games (we're leaving in a few minutes out on the river). As for the Argentina vs. Germany game yesterday, Maxi Rodriguez is a disgrace to soccer and Soulforged: you need to teach him a lesson in sportsmanship when he comes home...
Go England.
Go France.
(ironic)
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Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
Go England.
Go France.
(ironic)
Very! :laugh4:
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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
I enjoy seeing pictures like that, makes me wish I were there - and of course that we were still in, but that's out of the question...
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Originally Posted by Soulforged
The penalties were amazing. Europeans are so used to be cold and concentrated that they know, from the young to the old, what to do in that moment
Well to be fair, I think the Germans are the best PKickers Europe has, and I think it was unfortunate that you guys had to face them with Penalties. Although be comforted, no team is able to beat the the germans with Penalties - especially when the Germans play on their native land.
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Originally Posted by SSNeoperestroika
Lehmann was a statue compared to Dudek and his Grobbelaar dance.
Observe the shootout clips at the end of this video.
Yes it seems you're right, Dudek was quite a bit more active than Lehmann.
Oh and thanks for posting the link to the full shoot out, enjoyed watching it.
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