Mafia VI: Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Return of the Mafia [Concluded]

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He's not desperate. He's making use of the well-known fact that Crazed Rabbit does not tell outright lies. He does mislead, but not in that way. Not many of us can make such a claim after playing in so many mafia games, but AFAIK he still can.

Even back in Capo, when GH exposed his entire family (the Barzinis), CR owned up to the whole thing immediately. Most other people thought he was using reverse psychology. I knew at once he was telling the plain truth.

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As said, using ones Rep. is always good. For instance, I could very well say 'I have never had a bad role' (true, by the by) thus the chance is slim that I have one now. statistically, however, everyone has the same small chance of being a mafioso.

You, however, have every right to disagree, because I could simply lie. Lying isn't hard, especially when it's ones first time - no one would expect it.

Back in Capo, lying was pretty much futile right ? After GH exposed the lot ? So why bother, I'd say, in his situation.

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Think about this: who has seemed keen throughout the game to prove that they are acting no different than they always do? That's right, Dutch_guy. Go back and read his posts if you doubt. In many ways he's succeeded, but IMO it's too much of an act.

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Ehm, I for one have never sought to prove that I am acting as I did in every other game. You did that for me when you posted your analysis, which I don't trust, but that's just me. I'm saying you gave people that idea, which is fine since it is an opinion. But I'd like to see one of those posts where I act, note Act, that I'm the same as in every other game.

Sorry for the back to back post by the way.

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Unvote Kommodus and Vote Dutch Guy.I think Rabbit is telling the truth and you are trying to turn the situation against Rabbit and save yourself by voting CR. So is your mafia buddy Kommodus or Stig?

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Unvote Kommodus and Vote Dutch Guy.I think Rabbit is telling the truth and you are trying to turn the situation against Rabbit and save yourself by voting CR. So is your mafia buddy Kommodus or Stig?

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Townies have a will to live also, you know, which is why I don't quite understand your apparant surprise at the fact I'd actually vote Rabbit to save myself. You would have done the same thing and it is to be noted that I would have probably not voted the way you just did under such weak, if you don't mind me saying, pretenses. Would you have acted the same way had say...ByzKnight voted Rabbit in this situation ? I think not, simply because he's harder to lynch with zero votes thus far...

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

Townies have a will to live also, you know, which is why I don't quite understand your apparant surprise at the fact I'd actually vote Rabbit to save myself. You would have done the same thing and it is to be noted that I would have probably not voted the way you just did under such weak, if you don't mind me saying, pretenses. Would you have acted the same way had say...ByzKnight voted Rabbit in this situation ? I think not, simply because he's harder to lynch with zero votes thus far...

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I must disagree with you there my Dutch friend.For townies,death doesnt matter.Mafia members have the constant worry of keeping themselves alive,so your statement just makes my stand stronger,that you are indeed mafioso.:inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

I must disagree with you there my Dutch friend.For townies,death doesnt matter.Mafia members have the constant worry of keeping themselves alive,so your statement just makes my stand stronger,that you are indeed mafioso.:inquisitive:

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I clearly remember you defending your life with vigor, not only when you were detective, but outside that also. People don't simply curl up and die because they are townie, that's simply ridiculous in my opinion. It shouldn't be that way, theoretically, as the townie's life is insignificant in comparison to the bigger picture (IE the Town), but it has happened because people simply want to play. Yeah, if the town wins the dead townies win too. Great, I'm sure those lynched wrongly after a heated defense, and those killed in the first round 'll agree...

I have been lynched whilst I was sleeping numerous times now, not being able to defend myself - even though I would have. Well, should all townies be like that, die like that ? I hope not.

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Kommo defends CR, does that not ring a bell?

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think Rabbit is telling the truth and you are trying to turn the situation against Rabbit and save yourself by voting CR.

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Erhh, Dutch Guy didn't vote yet

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He's making use of the well-known fact that Crazed Rabbit does not tell outright lies.

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Why not for this once? Using that as your defense is just plain stupid imo.
"I'm innocent because I never tell lies"
pffft

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Mafia members have the constant worry of keeping themselves alive

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Go and read CR's post
"No please, don't vote for me, I'm innocent, please nooo, don't kill me, I'm a good guy, please?"

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Unvote Kommodus and Vote Dutch Guy.I think Rabbit is telling the truth and you are trying to turn the situation against Rabbit and save yourself by voting CR. So is your mafia buddy Kommodus or Stig?

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Can you explain why you think CR is telling the truth?

It's a fact he has been lurking for most of the game, claiming real life. This last excuse is not convincing, since he has posted in alot of other threads. Just click on his name and chose the option "Find more posts of Crazed Rabbit" and you'll see. He posted frequently in the Midgard Saga, while he claimed he didn't have time to check all the posts in Mafia VI :inquisitive:

Go check the Midgard thread and compare to the amount of posts in here.

About the claims that he never lied in a mafia game, well... This IS mafia, you know, a game of deception, so I don't think we can take that as a convincing argument.

And guess who backed him up on that: Kommodus.

Sorry CR, I am totally not convinced so I'll just stick to my vote and Kommodus is next on my list.

The moment where he started to participate was well chosen and he immediately popped up with 6 suspects on 15 living participants. When holmes gets questioned he eventually accuses somebody who was not detected by it, claiming that that person was keen enough to act totally normal and not suspicious ~:confused:

"Hey, I developped this system to track mafioso. Number one on the list of detected people must be mafioso. The second mafioso must be a guy who wasn't detected by holmes at all". ~:confused:

Did Reenk hack the Kommodus account?

Sorry Kommodus, I don't believe you anymore.

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Originally Posted by Stig

Erhh, Dutch Guy didn't vote yet

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Kage is right, on that matter, Stig. I voted on the previous page of the thread.

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

Ehm, I for one have never sought to prove that I am acting as I did in every other game. You did that for me when you posted your analysis, which I don't trust, but that's just me. I'm saying you gave people that idea, which is fine since it is an opinion. But I'd like to see one of those posts where I act, note Act, that I'm the same as in every other game.

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The acting comes from the relative infrequency of posting, short posts, nocommital attitudes, etc. I don't think I need to demonstrate that. What I can and will demonstrate is that you are lying in the above message - you have actually been quite intent on making sure that all of us know how consistently you are behaving.

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

I don't like voting for someone unless I have more than a serious doubt about one's innocence. I simply don't want to risk lynching someone I'd regret lynching later on. Do note I have been doing this since, what, the third mafia game ever?

I do vote, well, I abstain. Unless I find someone to act so strange as to warrant a vote. It's my playstyle, and has gotten me killed in just about every game. I know this, however it is hard to change, even though the solution seems so simple.

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

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Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning

Oh, and I would like an explanation from Dutch_guy. Why have you been lurking throughout the game, posting every now and than but without voting? I know lurking is a habit for you, as I've noticed it in previous games, but the non voting seems a bit odd.

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As you said so yourself, it's me being me. However, now I have to change, abstaining is not allowed anymore, and I will therefor have to carefully consider my next vote.

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And as for this...

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

Pointing others on ones good side when faced with death is never a trust gaining act, as you know. However, your lack of play in the sense of actually on the verge of getting WOG'ed and then suddenly acting up when the end is nigh does not help your case. No one likes to die, but it seems here that you have something to lose. You're not the detective, you would have revealed otherwise, and you're behaviour as described above doesn't quite fit the townie role. Let alone the style you've been using since mafia game one. Hence this vote, vote:Crazed Rabbit.

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An player experienced on these forums like you would know better. You are so guilty it's barely even funny. :rtwno:

First of all

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Originally Posted by Kommodus

What I can and will demonstrate is that you are lying in the above message - you have actually been quite intent on making sure that all of us know how consistently you are behaving.

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You used this example:

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Originally Posted by Me

I don't like voting for someone unless I have more than a serious doubt about one's innocence. I simply don't want to risk lynching someone I'd regret lynching later on. Do note I have been doing this since, what, the third mafia game ever?

I do vote, well, I abstain. Unless I find someone to act so strange as to warrant a vote. It's my playstyle, and has gotten me killed in just about every game. I know this, however it is hard to change, even though the solution seems so simple.

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Which was a reply to a question asked by Seamus:

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Why are Dutch and pev' posting so much without making actual votes?

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If someone asks something directed at me I tend to answer. I don't see the problem. That said, I can't help the fact you interpretate my post (which yes, is long by my standards) the way you did.

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Originally Posted by Me, again

As you said so yourself, it's me being me. However, now I have to change, abstaining is not allowed anymore, and I will therefor have to carefully consider my next vote.

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Again, an answer to a question posed by Andres. If you do not find it sufficient, the reply I gave that is, then you should have said so. Not voting, and minor imput, has been my style. I have always defended myself where I could if the situation needed it, sometimes (like the time(s) quoted by you) I refer back to my style of play. So no, I have not been trying to make you all believe my style hasn't changed, because it hasn't, it would be un necessary.

Secondly,

The rule GH has newly enforced, ie abstaining is not allowed anymore, has forced me to change. Sue me.

Do I actually, fully, believe CR is guilty ? A very good question, however, when driven in the position where I have to vote to save myself I chose to re read the few posts he has made here, too few, and decided that if there was a candidate who I'd vote for - he'd be it.

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An player experienced on these forums like you would know better.

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Come now, Kommodus, such one liners and smilies aren't necessary and don't do your supposed case any good.

Frankly, your posts here kind of reminds me of that time when you so viciously attacked the Moody/Me/Warluster Masonic reveal in...graffiti mafia, was that the game ? You turned out to be mafia back then, and gave yourself away during that day fase. The posting styles seem similar, but then again, I have no program to prove that they are.

Conclusion, you seem to think I'm guilty, and have tried to assert that I'm a liar. On grounds that I have tried to placate the crowds by posting how my style is the same as in other games, however, these posts were answers. Answers to questions, and I have never actively tried to point out how normal I am. You sought to prove otherwise, sought to prove I lied about this, by posting the answers of mine to certain questions. Well, if that's all the proof you can get, an objection is in order.

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

Kage is right, on that matter, Stig. I voted on the previous page of the thread.

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Ah at the end of a line, now I see

Re: Sasaki's idea of a big 7 game (check back a page or two)

I'd be happy to host it, but after this game's over I'm going to do something different. A few of you have an idea of what it's going to be already.

Voting ends in a little over two hours.

Here's what I've been mulling over. I can't decide if either is correct.


Lurker Mafia = CR & DG, trying to spoil the Kommo system by massive under-posting and very limited voting. The system is not as accurate at screening nothing -- all it says is that its abnormal because its not there. Claim RL or whatever and trust in the mafia-game norm for the Gameroom -- active posters turn on one another.

Mutual Hating Society Mafia = AtC & Kommo, carrying on a game-long argument with mutual slings and barbs but never quite pushing the group to lynch one or the other. Helps Kommo, since he doesn't like to lie and doesn't believe he can do it convincingly ... and lets the gamers kill off one another.

Vote:Dutch_guy

He's only made one actual vote this entire game and that was this round to try and save himself I might add. Since he already stated that he has a "serious doubt of their innocence" why didn't he vote CR earlier in the game? CR's been post like that with pretty much all of his posts.

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I don't like voting for someone unless I have more than a serious doubt about one's innocence. I simply don't want to risk lynching someone I'd regret lynching later on. Do note I have been doing this since, what, the third mafia game ever?

I do vote, well, I abstain. Unless I find someone to act so strange as to warrant a vote. It's my playstyle, and has gotten me killed in just about every game. I know this, however it is hard to change, even though the solution seems so simple.

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You answered Seamus question with the first line of that post. There was no need to post the last paragraph, or the last line of the first paragraph.

Should be pointed out that lynching a townie is as bad for the town as lynching a mafioso is for the mafia at this point.

Don't particularly find dutch_guy suspicious. Have you run a comparios on his behavior in Graffiti mafia Kommodus?

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

He's only made one actual vote this entire game and that was this round to try and save himself I might add. Since he already stated that he has a "serious doubt of their innocence" why didn't he vote CR earlier in the game? CR's been post like that with pretty much all of his posts.

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I know Ichigo, but then again, CR was on the verge of being WOG a long time this game. Plus, I would have probably gotten bandwagoned just because I would have voted, in stead of abstained. Just like is happening now.

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You answered Seamus question with the first line of that post. There was no need to post the last paragraph, or the last line of the first paragraph.

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I think you can find a lot of posts which could have been written shorter.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Vote:Dutch_guy

He's only made one actual vote this entire game and that was this round to try and save himself I might add. Since he already stated that he has a "serious doubt of their innocence" why didn't he vote CR earlier in the game? CR's been post like that with pretty much all of his posts.

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He voted because GH said in the last write-up that it wasn't allowed to abstain from now on.

Thus far, BK and CA still have to vote, so I wonder what will happen now.

I don't know about Dutch_guy, but the reasons given by the other "suspicious lurker" CR, weren't satisfying.

Claiming real life while posting in other threads, afterwards stating that he didn't had to pay that much attention in those other threads so that it was 'easier' to post in there, while he also posted in the Midgard Saga where there was very much more to read and check. Nah, I don't buy it.

Add to that the fact that Kommodus was the one backing up CR, while CR was also on his suspect list, not to mention the argumentation to explain why CR should be considered innocent ('he has never lied before in a mafia game' :laugh4: ).

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I think we have our two mafioso now. Let's end this, shall we?

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

I know Ichigo, but then again, CR was on the verge of being WOG a long time this game. Plus, I would have probably gotten bandwagoned just because I would have voted, in stead of abstained. Just like is happening now.



I think you can find a lot of posts which could have been written shorter.

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My point was that there was no need to say that you had been acting as the same as in earlier mafia games. Sorry if I did show that.:wall:

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Originally Posted by Andres

He voted because GH said in the last write-up that it wasn't allowed to abstain from now on.

Thus far, BK and CA still have to vote, so I wonder what will happen now.

I don't know about Dutch_guy, but the reasons given by the other "suspicious lurker" CR, weren't satisfying.

Claiming real life while posting in other threads, afterwards stating that he didn't had to pay that much attention in those other threads so that it was 'easier' to post in there, while he also posted in the Midgard Saga where there was very much more to read and check. Nah, I don't buy it.

Add to that the fact that Kommodus was the one backing up CR, while CR was also on his suspect list, not to mention the argumentation to explain why CR should be considered innocent ('he has never lied before in a mafia game' ).



I think we have our two mafioso now. Let's end this, shall we?

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I know why he voted he is forced to. I was questioning the reasoning behind it because that's been evident about CR since mid-game.

So Kommo believes him did you ever stop to think the only reason he was on that list was because he had five posts way below anyones normal posting habits. He's struck us all as suspicious it doesn't infact make him guilty.

How can you be so sure? You just stated that didn't know about DG. And in the chat you also said the same about some others.

GH if people don't vote will they be killed?

I haven't decided yet.

Voting over.

I'm not quite sure when I can post the execution, hopefully I can get to it tonight.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

GH if people don't vote will they be killed?

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Oh, Stink!! I forgot to vote...:shame:

Vote: Dutch_Guy

His standard method of playing is to lay fairly low and fly under the radar, yet recently he has just exploded with the number of posts. So he earns my vote.

EDIT: Damn my time zone!

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Originally Posted by CountArach

His standard method of playing is to lay fairly low and fly under the radar, yet recently he has just exploded with the number of posts. So he earns my vote.

EDIT: Damn my time zone!

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You do of course realise this was because I was accused, not because of some wild flash of inspiration which caused my activity to skyrocket ?

You did read everything which was said, right ?

Oh wait, you probably didn't since GeneralH said

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Originally Posted by General

Voting over

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A mere two posts below yours, and yet you still voted ?



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You did read everything which was said, right ?

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I read almost all of the posts, just didn't read the last few, until just after I posted, but I did read them.

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You see, life was abound in the Frontroom and they all came out to celebrate the dawn of another beautiful, glorious new day in their little utopia. The birds started chriping and trilling their sweet songs. The colorful flowers unfolded, drinking in the golden sun that was beginning to rise overhead. The brooks started burbling, carrying along gallons of sweet, clear water to no destination in particular.

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What a long time ago that seemed.

It had been cloudy for several days. The temperature had dropped sharply since the attacks began. The trees had lost all of their leaves. The birds had long left, and now the animal that one would probably see if they only saw one would be an insect. Those creepy crawlers were everywhere, as if they were drawn to evil. Although the weather was slightly better today, things still looked grim.

One constant in this was the townspeople gathering in the town square to vote. They had faithfully executed their own every day since the attacks began, and would do so until either the mafia were dead or they all were.

Chief of Police Beirut, perhaps the most constant of all the constants, was sharpening his axe grimly. He had been through this procedure God knows how many times (oddly enough, he seemed like he knew what to do when the mafia started to hit the town, as if he had been through it five times before), and had it down to a T.

"Gentlemen," he began, "You have hereby sentenced Dutch_guy to death. Dutch, have you any last words before your sentence is carried out?"

Dutch_guy nodded. "I suppose it would be pointless to continue to argue my innocence." The Chief of Police nodded back.

"Yes, it would."

"Very well. Then at least I am lucky enough to receive the axe from this master wielder of it." Dutch dutifully placed himself on the chopping block (literally) with a look of slight regret on his face as he was decapitated.

Now there were only eig-

"Gah-ACK!" Suddenly ByzantineKnight keeled over with a heart attack.

Now there were only seven left.

Here is the vote summary for Round 7:

Dutch_guy: 4 (Kommodus, Crazed Rabbit, Kagemusha, Ichigo) :skull:
Crazed Rabbit: 3 (AndresTheCunning, Stig, Dutch_guy)

Didn't vote: 2 (CountArach, ByzantineKnight)

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Still alive: (7)
Kagemusha
Stig
Ichigo
Crazed Rabbit
CountArach
AndresTheCunning
Kommodus

Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Warluster
JimBob
Fenring
pevergreen
ByzantineKnight

Killed:
UltraWar
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Zalmoxis
Orb
Rythmic
sapi
Sir Boo
Sir Moody
ChuggtheSquirrel
Faust| (replaces Destroyer of Hope who suicided)
Seamus Fermanagh
Redleg
Reenk Roink
Pannonian

Executed:
HughTower
discovery1
Caius Flaminius
Xiahou
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sasaki Kojiro
Dutch_guy

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Seven left. I WoG'd ByzantineKnight mostly because I wanted there to be a penalty for not voting and he was less active (vote-wise) than CountArach. Numbers also play a part into it, as you will find out soon.

Day phase will begin in 24 hours.

Holy crap that makes CountA look guilty.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Holy crap that makes CountA look guilty.

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He is suspicious yes, but vote wise he's more active then BK (says GH)

Im guessing that was a WoG?

i dont see his name anywhere..

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Originally Posted by Stig

He is suspicious yes, but vote wise he's more active then BK (says GH)

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And stig defends him :inquisitive:

I can't see GH WoG'ing a mafioso for missing a vote. That would majorly change the game.