Representative Democracy [Concluded]

OK going to bed for realz

Will read cuth in more detail in the morning

Schema too cause raisins

Insert the person also because lists need the things and there's probably a third person i should look over again. Maybe ask the have they even posted guys, or winston, or monty, or a meh person. Or maybe I'll just be lazy and not

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

And threads from 2005. What did you do, Visor?

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From a different site

Cuth also mega town read me in that mountainous game without really exciting it

Okbye

Explaining it

BYE

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Originally Posted by Sooh

I am a town PR, so thanks for the pushes and making me claim on D1.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Yup. I'm pretty sure I'm the ONLY ONE this game who hasn't said much.

Whatever. Even if you find another lynch candidate I'll be dead tomorrow, so.

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I don't like these posts tonally. ive seen sooh get a bit emo about not being listened to and being mislynched but it didn't sound like this.
it makes me nervous.

But she IS claiming town PR peeps need to get off her. And yes I know shes been vague. im hoping D2 we find out what she is

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Originally Posted by Cass_

I wanted to comment on this actually.

@ Dice, did wheels turning and the vote mean that you were reading me Town there?

Also - Cop, Doc, Vig?

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wheels turning means I can see you thinking. youre aussie enuff to know that maroon. the bote? I think ure the best choice. ive got u at 60-65% town but if you think im trusting MY ability to read you correctly ure nuts. Part of the advantage to making you the boss is I get to watch you make ure choices, I suggest you make sure you do it ITT.

COP and DOC is same answer Sooh. If sooh is cop then cop you. id rather get u two straight early so I then have people I can work with

vig hankerchief




[QUOTE=Cuthillius;2053729542]meh i disagree with the case on sooh

i think it's bad

i think she's always utr


ummm what??? UTR sooh means scum sooh. How much have you played with her?

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Originally Posted by Zack

i've been scum with cass multiple times and she REALLY struggles to talk

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chokes. exweese me? This is cass your talking about? She of the massive WOT? She of constant verbal diarrhoea about her paranoia? She who does this as scum which she has randed on DM 50% of the time? THAT cass??


cass do you play differently here?

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Originally Posted by Zack

DISTRICT ONE

Schema - bleh
Cuthillius - weird and bleh
Renata - fine
Choxorn - meh
Dp101 - meh
Jabbz - wolf
dicetosser1 - meh

DISTRICT TWO

Winston Hughes - meh
BSmith - has he made a post?
Visor - town
Csargo - has he made a post?
Riedquat - has he made a post?
El Barto - bleh
Monstrbro - town

DISTRICT THREE

Montmorency - meh
Al Sipsclar - has he made a post?
Sooh - claimed pr but otherwise bleh
Cass_ - town
GeneralHankerchief - meh
Zack - (mm)
atheotes - town

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well that was kinda depressing

anyways good night, i'll be here before eod

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Zack confirmed not reading the thread.

Monty, you have been fairly active in the thread. can you give me your list of reads?

I already mentioned "District 3 towny, District 1 powerful". As for individuals, I don't like Visor and I like Cass and DP.

As far as new information goes, well you're acting typical for town Atheotes, even if that's not really "new" from a manner of speaking.

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District 3 towny, District 1 powerful".

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Sorry, other way around.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I already mentioned "District 3 towny, District 1 powerful". As for individuals, I don't like Visor and I like Cass and DP.

As far as new information goes, well you're acting typical for town Atheotes, even if that's not really "new" from a manner of speaking.

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can u explain what u mean by powerful?

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can u explain what u mean by powerful?

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DISTRICT ONE

1. Schema
2. Cuthillius
3. Renata
4. Choxorn
5. Dp101
6. Jabbz
7. dicetosser1

DISTRICT TWO

1. Winston Hughes
2. BSmith
3. Visor - power
4. Csargo
5. Riedquat
6. El Barto
7. Monstrbro

DISTRICT THREE

1. Montmorency
2. Al Sipsclar
3. Sooh
4. Cass_
5. GeneralHankerchief
6. Zack
7. atheotes

Cass, Zack, and GH are powerful in District 3, while District 1 has Renata and District 2 has Visor and maybe Winston.

Powerful players are more likely to maintain the direction of activities, to express plausible goals and conditions, and to achieve their goals.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I already mentioned "District 3 towny, District 1 powerful". As for individuals, I don't like Visor and I like Cass and DP.

As far as new information goes, well you're acting typical for town Atheotes, even if that's not really "new" from a manner of speaking.

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btw, thanks for keeping tally with me.
I am asking about individuals. So you have reads on only 4 ppl? that is very small number. Why do you think you have such a small number of reads?

I'd like people to give a read on Cuth.

Monty, unless you plan to elaborate on this wolf read of mine that I (and others) have asked you to, numerous times, I'm going to simply treat you as a wolf and move on with the game.

I'm going to take a bit of a break on D2 from any sort of leadership action, as I don't wish to burn myself out completely. It is likely that my vote does not change from Cuthillius, and I would like support from the other likely electors.

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that is very small number.

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I don't believe so.

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Why do you think you have such a small number of reads?

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Secret records. Behind-the-scenes notes that mean nothing to outsiders.

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Monty, unless you plan to elaborate on this wolf read of mine that I (and others) have asked you to, numerous times, I'm going to simply treat you as a wolf and move on with the game.

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I already have. I'm not sorry that I can't grace you with a case based on everything you will do before you do it. That's life.

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I'm going to take a bit of a break on D2 from any sort of leadership action, as I don't wish to burn myself out completely.

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I knew it. Goddarn dog whistle. I see what you're talking about. Are you ready to directly answer my question on how you will use your ability?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I don't believe so.



Secret records. Behind-the-scenes notes that mean nothing to outsiders.

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Maybe you can categorize them in a form that everyone can understand?

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Originally Posted by Visor

I'd like people to give a read on Cuth.

Monty, unless you plan to elaborate on this wolf read of mine that I (and others) have asked you to, numerous times, I'm going to simply treat you as a wolf and move on with the game.

I'm going to take a bit of a break on D2 from any sort of leadership action, as I don't wish to burn myself out completely. It is likely that my vote does not change from Cuthillius, and I would like support from the other likely electors.

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I did not see anything alignment indicative from Cuth. I will read again because it looks like it might come down to you vs Cuth and to be decided by Cass. Wait what happens if the same person is leading for District rep and Chancellor?

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Originally Posted by Jabbz

Valid observation, and amusing the rest of us missed it. Perhaps our votes for rep goes through first, then their vote for lynch is tallied?

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Not to get too paranoid and OMG scum slip on someone I was already voting or whatever, but what on earth is this post replying to? I've just read all the posts leading up to it, and there seems to be nothing it could possibly be. @Jabbz

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Originally Posted by Jabbz

If you are so sure you are going to be lynched, then any reads you have are useful to town. While we won't trust your judgement necessarily, at least we can trust your perspective to be townish, and your words would be the only unimpeachable ones in game. Gives us what you can, and I will be grateful, even if no one else is (which I doubt would be the case).

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TEEE EMMM IIII

You're talking to her like she's an about to be mislynched villager.

LOL @ Monstrbro for calling this villagey.

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Originally Posted by Jabbz

Yeah, sure Zack, I'm using your hounding of me to avoid putting out the town and scum reads I already have to date. I get I misread you dude, but you need to get over yourself when it comes to me, you're just being an ass, and I'm pretty sure it's not contributing anything useful. Cheers.

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So are you saying your earlier scumread on Zack is now a townread? With zero progression? Even if "I misread you" refers to something specific instead a general read on Zack, "I'm pretty sure it's not contributing anything useful" doesn't seem like the sort of thing you say to your top scum suspect. Or about comments about yourself, for that matter.

Please explain.

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Originally Posted by Visor

I'd like people to give a read on Cuth.

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Not sure I trust my judgement of Cuth, as I know that as town he does things I find incredibly scummy.

Nevertheless...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

i strongly dislike this post

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Responding to Monty.

Maybe just a gut reaction, but that word 'strongly' could do with greater explanation than the drop-and-run it gets.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

zack, cass, dp, all town

visor>monstr scum

mm

monty weirds me out a little but i don't think he's worth thinking about right now, plus he can resolve through connections

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I'm not on board with the Zack=town bit here. No idea how anyone ever reads him straight town from early exchanges, given his skill at fakery. Zack's clearly going to be powerful here, so you can see how a snuggle might appeal.

Dp and Cass are easy names to put on a town list.

Don't even understand the visor>monstr thing.

Previous 'strongly dislike' of Monty post now translates as 'slight weirdness, ignore it for now'.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

Vote: Cuthillius
Vote: Zack
Vote: Visor

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Self-vote is cheap.
Zack-vote is cheap.
Visor-vote seems a little risky if scum, but lack of explanation makes it much less so than it might have been.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

interesting

care to elaborate what you mean

hi

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This to Monstr.

Far as I can see Monstr doesn't reply, and Cuth doesn't follow up.

So not that interesting.

Abortive w/w exchange not beyond possibility here.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

gh could also be scum

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Obvious thought, phrased weakly and unjustified.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

eh

i think this is scum visor

he's saying the right things but i really feel like it's off

he hedges on zack initially

he's just off

and then monstr pops into thread and basically just says that he thinks visor is town in a certain way

meh

wrt monty he has taken a number (which i think is over one but am not fully sure) of relatively strong stances for/against players that will go farther towards resolving his alignment than his posting alone

can you summarize your thoughts on the gamestate; in particular talk to me about our district

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In reply to Renata.

Visor read is all gut, with 'hedging' barely even an excuse of a reason. Monstr reaction flows pure and direct from Visor read.

Monty explanation is reasonable but easy. Would have been much more helpful if Cuth had given some explanation for his strong reaction to Monty's post in the first place, so that some kind of thought progression might have been observed.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

visor is lacking

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

you're very mikey this game

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Lack of anything to help others understand the read makes these pure spam.

More to follow.

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Originally Posted by Renata

You're talking to her like she's an about to be mislynched villager.

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Well, yes, that was presumably the idea. :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Jabbz

Overall I find the argument against Sooh to be fairly compelling, there are a lot of posts that don't really say much of anything. The response they gave when confronting those arguments really came across as a last ditch scum effort to avoid swinging, figuring there was nothing left to lose, and feeling cornered. I feel for them, I've been there. It may be my irritation with his style, but I also find Zack's support for Sooh to be off, even when faced with the line by line argument against Sooh that (I can't remember who it was, and it's late so I'm not going to look for it) made with their 5 post breakdown. At this point I'm ok with either being lynched.

I'm still feeling solid about Cass for Grand High Muckymuck. Unlike the votes for Zack, these feel earned by solid analysis and examination of how the game would function, and how Cass could impact that as Muckymuck, Grand High grade.

Cass, I did find your arguments about why I should be voting for myself to be district rep compelling to a point, but I think I value getting a solid read on one of the two players I know vs trying to read everyone in my group and determining whether or not I should follow their lead and vote accordingly, or strike off on my own. It also sounds like more work, and since I just started my winter break, doesn't sound fun.

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This about Sooh from someone who just trotted out a patronizing post about how she should always share her thoughts if she thinks she's about to be mislynched, because then at least we can trust they come from a town perspective. No progression. It's just words.

I'm done commenting post by post now because this is getting ridiculous. Either Jabbz is the scummiest scum who ever scummed or we're on totally different wavelengths and always will be. I'll make a proper summary in a couple hours and what will be will be.

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Originally Posted by atheotes

I did not see anything alignment indicative from Cuth. I will read again because it looks like it might come down to you vs Cuth and to be decided by Cass. Wait what happens if the same person is leading for District rep and Chancellor?

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I imagine they become both district rep and chancellor and can break ties

aka supreme power

aka give it to me

Renatas recent posts read very well to me.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

Oh shit I totally forgot the game had started

lolchox

I've been spending the past couple of hours reading through the thread trying to catch up. Don't have a lot of good reads on anyone yet, lots of people I'm totally unfamiliar with. Zack still looks good, I'll keep my chancellor vote on him. Slight town reads on Renata, Cuth, and GH. Speaking of which, Vote: Cuth for District One. El Barto and Monty are still impossible to read, and while I don't want that to be an excuse that lets them whomp us like they did last game, I also don't want to reflexively vote them just for last game either. Sooh I was going to vote before she claimed PR. I still don't like her, and I echo what Zack said about her here:



I also hate generic PR claims and don't see what the point is of soft-claiming and trying to string everyone along unless you have some kind of uber-secret mafia-killing thing of doom going on, and it would be an easy claim to lie about because you're not being specific, and I don't like how she's reacted to pressure, but I also don't think she's scum for it.

No real opinion yet on most people.

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Bold does not compute as possible consecutive thoughts in a post and looks fake. Content is also much more generic reads-y than I remember of town-chox from last game. Wouldn't mind seeing a vote or three on you right now.

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Originally Posted by Renata

Bold does not compute as possible consecutive thoughts in a post and looks fake. Content is also much more generic reads-y than I remember of town-chox from last game. Wouldn't mind seeing a vote or three on you right now.

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100% agree (not on that necessarily but that chox post is Bad)

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Originally Posted by Renata

TEEE EMMM IIII

You're talking to her like she's an about to be mislynched villager.

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This is, afaik, Jabbz's first game off RB - which is pretty much an island culture - and also his first game since the summer.

But I know from experience that he's a strong scum player, and I doubt he'll be making the kinds of obvious mistakes you're seeing here.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

This is, afaik, Jabbz's first game off RB - which is pretty much an island culture - and also his first game since the summer.

But I know from experience that he's a strong scum player, and I doubt he'll be making the kinds of obvious mistakes you're seeing here.

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Again, that's nonsense. Jabbz makes a totally banal statement from the perspective of town Sooh going to lynch, and suddenly Renata's on him as though this was some hidden meaning inconsistent with his other posts.

Thumbs down.

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Originally Posted by Jabbz

I'm referencing this.





You talk about not voting for them because of competing for n1 kill. You have a weak argument against me, and only one other person is currently voting for me out of 21. Hell, I'm not even 2nd behind Sooh, that would be Visor, then tied for third would be you, me, elbarto and monty. The idea that I'm competition for Sooh with their 5 votes seems unlikely. This is your only articulated reason for not voting for them, and it comes off as an attempt to avoid committing to whether someone is fishy or not, something scum buddies often like to do.

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First thing I've seen from Jabbz all game that resembles genuine townie thought for me, but even here I wouldn't comment on what Zack said in quite those terms.

I don't know, I hate to go against an actual town read even for a single post, but you make my skin itch, dude. We'll see.

Schema - lean mild town on gut
Cuthillius - lean scum, though admittedly I've seen this kind of bizarre posting from Cuth before, particularly a hardon for lynching me, but its mostly like Wolf!Cuth due to the way he has gone about it, no interaction with me
Renata - town, last posts solidified that read for me.
Choxorn - wolfy, recent post is a bit of pinger.
Dp101 - null, really, will give him a town lean for now.
Jabbz - null, some bad posts, some okay ones, will probably give another day.
dicetosser1 - lean town on gut/tone for now.

DISTRICT TWO

Winston Hughes - lean town on freedom of posting/tone.
BSmith - inactive
Visor - town
Csargo - inactive
Riedquat - needs to post more
El Barto - utter meh, probably lean wolfy just due to the fact
Monstrbro - surprisingly hard to read for me right now, going to call him null, maybe mild town lean.

DISTRICT THREE

Montmorency - utterly bizarre posting. Steadfast refusal to engage me in a dialogue about my posts which he continues to call scummy with no reasoning. Could be either, but the spiteful person inside me says wolf.
Al Sipsclar - inactive
Sooh - claimed town PR, hasn't posted a villagery thing. Should sort itself out.
Cass_ - too much mechanics talk, clearly engaged in the game which is good, but would like to see more of a focus on solving.
GeneralHankerchief - Posts are... a little stilted. Expected a little more from town GH, though I imagine he is probably busy. Hopefully see more tomorrow
Zack - Posting okay for now.
atheotes - feel town for tonal reasons, hits a few notes I associate with atheotes town game.

So

Visor
Renata
Winston
Zack
Atheotes
Dicktosser
Schema
Dp101

Sooh - claimed PR so meh
Monstrbro

Al Sipsclar
Csargo
BSmith
Riedquat

Jabbz
GeneralHankerchief
Montmorency
Cass

Choxorn
El Barto
Cuthillius