As per suspicions voiced yesterday: Vote: Autolycus
Zack sounds villagery but unfortunately had the strongest town vibe as scum that I've ever seen in that other game.
...yeah I thought Champ was a strong player based on his first few posts. He has not lived up to initial expectations.
IF Zack is town then GH's switch makes little sense. So Zack/GH are probably both town or both scum. The former then seems most likely, also given everybody's lacklustre effort in general yesterday. The thing that bugged me the most about GH's switch is that he pulled a chaos move that he knew could catch heat just prior to going away. That smacked of a scum hit and run.
05-27-2017, 08:40
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
El Barto, did you heal Manasi? What's going on?
05-27-2017, 08:59
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by novice
IF Zack is town then GH's switch makes little sense. So Zack/GH are probably both town or both scum. The former then seems most likely, also given everybody's lacklustre effort in general yesterday.
That's remarkably crappy logic now that I've had my coffee. Zack as scum and GH as town is certainly a possibility. But given that GH's scumminess is largely dependent on Zack being scum it makes little sense to lynch GH first.
05-27-2017, 09:37
Jabbz
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Hey folks, sorry for ghosting last game day, Kids graduations and like stuff kept me beyond busy. I've caught up but want to reread some things before I make any serious observations. In order to protect my ass from being booted Vote: Zack for old times sake.
05-27-2017, 14:54
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Zack
Logic - lean town
Montmorency - other than the claim lean scum
BSmith - null
GeneralHankerchief - lean town
El Barto - lean town
Champ - garbage posting, unfortunately not out of his town range but think he should be getting more votes than he has if he's town
Jabbz - null
Manasi - lean town .... i guess
SeveringViper - not crazy about his posts, but the counterclaim seems like something a villager is much more likely to do than a wolf
Novice - lean town
Csargo - null
Autolycus - has posted like once? null i guess
Zack - handsome gentleman
Your reads are lame.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Please do not freaking lynch me.
I was at a highway rest stop eating yesterday when I decided to to check the thread. Caught up with literally 2 minutes to go and I went with my gut. Take a closer look at my wagon, the votes on me are garbage.
Going to sleep now, will try to make another appearance tomorrow afternoon/evening US time.
Maybe - but we still need to lynch you sometime.
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Originally Posted by novice
But given that GH's scumminess is largely dependent on Zack being scum it makes little sense to lynch GH first.
I disagree. :grin:
05-27-2017, 17:49
Zack
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
vote: monty
No one cares that gh lynched a survivor d1, you shouldn't either. It's weird that you feel so strongly about that.
05-27-2017, 18:00
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Play the game.
05-27-2017, 18:03
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Yeah I've been wondering if the Monty/GH thing is clumsy distancing. Someone (Logic, I think) mentioned the same thing earlier. Tunneling one player is convenient scum play at any rate. Monty, what is your full suspect list, given that Zack's reads suck?
Here's a player list:
Cuthillius
Seireikhaan
Raith Kemmler
Sooh
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Logic
Montmorency
GeneralHankerchief
El Barto
Manasi
SeveringViper
Novice
Csargo
choxorn Zack
Autolycus
Champ
BSmith
Jabbz
If all the scum are hiding among the bottom four, I'll be pissed.
05-27-2017, 18:16
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Speaking of leaving a narrow footprint, here are all of autolycus's posts so far:
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Originally Posted by autolycus
Me, I'm a lurker, especially in the early game, but come out with analysis in the late game that gets stronger over time. Basically, I'm a geodude spamming rollout.
vote:Montmorency
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Originally Posted by autolycus
Barto, you've played enough with me to know it's the truth. My analyses aren't right, but I do tend to pick up the activity once we enter the mid-game.
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Originally Posted by autolycus
Wait, you blocked GH last night, someone died, so now you want him lynched?
And now you want a scanner to claim?
Vote:Montmorency
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Originally Posted by autolycus
Mine yesterday was a random vote for a player I'd played with before. Today it's about the idea that GH being blocked last night is evidence of guilt on his part and because both the choxorn and khaan wagon feel like they could have been scum trying to save Monty.
Just trying to get in a "reasonable" vote ASAP and mentioning as few other players as possible.
05-27-2017, 18:16
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by novice
Yeah I've been wondering if the Monty/GH thing is clumsy distancing. Someone (Logic, I think) mentioned the same thing earlier. Tunneling one player is convenient scum play at any rate. Monty, what is your full suspect list, given that Zack's reads suck?
Here's a player list:
Cuthillius
Seireikhaan
Raith Kemmler
Sooh
---
Logic
Montmorency
GeneralHankerchief
El Barto
Manasi
SeveringViper
Novice
Csargo
choxorn Zack
Autolycus
Champ
BSmith
Jabbz
If all the scum are hiding among the bottom four, I'll be pissed.
At first I thought you were posting leans of your own.
Anyway, my leans are in an atrocious state. My only town leans have been Choxorn/Zack and Viper, but at <75%. The rest are neutral or null, except for GH and now maybe Barto.
It's not that I'm tunneling, but that I don't have alternatives.
05-27-2017, 18:25
Zack
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
Play the game.
What is that even supposed to mean?
05-27-2017, 18:28
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Hey Momty, what's with the bolded statement:
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
Doesn't inspire much sentiment. And Khaan has another semi-character here:
On the other other hand, this post is like his first Futuramafia posts in that he's complaining about certain tactical decisions for the early game:
But Khaan did always say the best way to play scum roles is to do that which the gut wouldn't believe.
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
Tally plz GH is making a play for the badge.
This reads like you're holding the door open for a Khaan lynch. Yet in your next post GH is making a play for the badge?
05-27-2017, 18:38
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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But Khaan did always say the best way to play scum roles is to do that which the gut wouldn't believe.
This is a Khaan quote from Futuramafia, where Khaan was scum. I wanted to see how GH would respond in light of his case against Khaan.
He didn't respond, instead saying this to Cuthilius (WHO WAS AGAINST THE CASE AND DIED N1):
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
If khaan's town, and I point out his lack of character schtick is somewhat worrisome (believe that's the exact phrase I used), and that's his recent history, is that how he hits back at me?
So I tried to warn everyone about GH going for the Pokemon badge, i.e. killing all townies.
Here are my notes on Cuth, btw (I have no other notes):
Cuth: Liked Sooh, novice; liked by novice; weirded by Manasi/Chox; disliked Khaan case by GH; voted Jabbz for non-town but not scummy; Viper sees Cuth-Mont, Logic too?; voted Chox; scumlean by Chox; voted Khaan
05-27-2017, 18:51
Csargo
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Monty is looking worse today imo.
Zack is here, and looks okay so far. Probably slightly less active than I would expect, but I'll give it time.
Unvote:, Vote: Champ I think he deserves some pressure at this stage. Just dropped a vote on Manasi, and disappeared. Is this how Champ plays?
05-27-2017, 18:53
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
This is a Khaan quote from Futuramafia, where Khaan was scum. I wanted to see how GH would respond in light of his case against Khaan.
He didn't respond, instead saying this to Cuthilius (WHO WAS AGAINST THE CASE AND DIED N1):
So I tried to warn everyone about GH going for the Pokemon badge, i.e. killing all townies.
How did you want town GH to respond then?
05-27-2017, 18:58
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Csargo
Unvote:, Vote: Champ I think he deserves some pressure at this stage
I agree, and it bugs me that there are several players for which this is true. Scum can just direct us onto the one who's town.
What do you think of Autolycus?
05-27-2017, 19:00
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by novice
How did you want town GH to respond then?
:shrug:
05-27-2017, 19:14
Csargo
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by novice
I agree, and it bugs me that there are several players for which this is true. Scum can just direct us onto the one who's town.
What do you think of Autolycus?
This is how auto plays, I don't think there's enough to get a good read on him. It's hard to say conclusively with so little information, I have him as null for now.
I still don't follow your thought process. If GH was going for the badge, that should mean that Khaan seemed town to you, right? But aren't you yourself pointing out a good reason to suspect Khaan here?
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
On the other other hand, this post is like his first Futuramafia posts in that he's complaining about certain tactical decisions for the early game
05-27-2017, 19:37
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Csargo
This is how auto plays, I don't think there's enough to get a good read on him. It's hard to say conclusively with so little information, I have him as null for now.
Do you agree that he was quick to vote Montmorency for his odd GH reasoning, and that asking Monty for clarification would have been more natural?
05-27-2017, 19:38
SeveringViper
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
He didn't respond, instead saying this to Cuthilius (WHO WAS AGAINST THE CASE AND DIED N1):
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
If khaan's town, and I point out his lack of character schtick is somewhat worrisome (believe that's the exact phrase I used), and that's his recent history, is that how he hits back at me?
I read that as his trying to defend the case to Cuth by claiming that Khaan wouldn't have responded to him that way as town.
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
Here are my notes on Cuth, btw (I have no other notes):
Viper sees Cuth-Mont
I still don't follow your thought process. If GH was going for the badge, that should mean that Khaan seemed town to you, right? But aren't you yourself pointing out a good reason to suspect Khaan here?
Here's a run-down:
GH soft, Khaan response
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
khaan hasn't done a character schtick yet to start the game which is mildly concerning.
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Originally Posted by seireikhaan
Got tired of people wanting to lynch me for rp'ing.
GH incites: Khaan shouldn't be talking about character shticks.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
khaan's most recent past games on the .Org, in reverse order:
- French Revolution Mafia: town, had a character schtick, not lynched
- Visor's Small Mafia Game: town (subbed in), sort of had a character schtick (speaking nothing in smilies, but only for a few posts), not lynched
- Tokens of My Confection: town, made two posts, not lynched
- Futuramafia: mafia, did not have a character schtick, not lynched (was vigged though IIRC)
- Polandball Mafia: town, made two posts, not lynched
- IKEA Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
- Bird Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
This goes back to March 2016. Does not compute.
I was struck by the argument's lack of a nail: Khaan only needs to have taken this consideration at some - any - point in his Mafia career, which has lasted a decade. What was the special significance of recent history?
I wanted to see if GH was willing to make comparisons between Khaan's form and content this game and those of earlier games where he was scum, in particular Futuramafia. The "do what your gut would not believe" line from Futuramafia does not IMO point to Khaan's guilt in this game, certainly not on its face. I wanted to see how GH would interpret it in service of his case.
What turned me against GH was the apparent willingness to ride on the stakes he had already raised. He didn't want or need a more detailed case, just attention and votes on Khaan. Town GH should have seized on the chance to explore Khaan's past behavior.
@Viper: I'm sorry, that was Logic in post 338. I don't know why I thought you first voiced the thought. The second person to bring it up was in fact Choxorn at EOD.
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Originally Posted by Logic
Responding to Cuth: slight alarms going off here. Feels like a forced joke about breaking the spirit or the letter of the rules. If Monty turns wolf, I would not be surprised if Cuth is one as well.
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Originally Posted by Choxorn
Cuthillius- lean scum, partly for some things Logic pointed out between him and Monty and I'm getting weird vibes from him, too.
05-27-2017, 19:58
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
zack what's going on
05-27-2017, 20:00
Zack
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
He did explore khaan's past behavior, and saying otherwise seems really nitpicky.
05-27-2017, 20:03
Csargo
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Do you agree that he was quick to vote Montmorency for his odd GH reasoning, and that asking Monty for clarification would have been more natural?
Yeah, he was quick to vote Monty yesterday. I don't know about the second part tbh in regards to auto, considering how he plays. The better question would be do you think it was a valid reason for voting Monty?
05-27-2017, 20:08
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Csargo
Yeah, he was quick to vote Monty yesterday. I don't know about the second part tbh in regards to auto, considering how he plays. The better question would be do you think it was a valid reason for voting Monty?
I'm not sure that's a better question, showing an honest process is important, too. And results matter more than both. Anyway, I think the first part of his reason is invalid, the second part is fair enough.
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Originally Posted by autolycus
Today it's about the idea that GH being blocked last night is evidence of guilt on his part and because both the choxorn and khaan wagon feel like they could have been scum trying to save Monty.
