Academy of Elemental Magic [Concluded]

I'm up for that.

Ironside is freaking me out with his town acting. It's so good that I'd rather go for the guy who is just, nakedly scummy.

We can lynch Ironside tomorrow I guess. EF is just rubbing me all kinds of wrong. So very wrong.

Since there's not going to be enough people attacking tonight, I guess I'd better help whoever I can.

Iron, I still think you're scum. But there's enough doubt in my mind that EF is looking like a better target.

Biggest thing is Elite Ferret being so eager for edse to be lynched, then me, and then Ironside. If Ironside is scum, it means EF is likely scum. But if he's townie, oh you better believe EF is the scumbag.

No matter how I look at this situation, EF is scum, or Ironside is, or both, but Ironside is acting more townie than EF, even if the circumstances make Ironside a top candidate for scum.

Congrats, Elite Ferret. You managed to look even scummier, to me, than the only person in the game who could have known who I was targeting with that scan.

Don't know how you did it, but you've succeeded.

EF can't be an orignal scum. He did attack both Kennigit and Riedquat (on my command), without showing any sign of corruption or hidden stats. That's on the record, checkable and all.

I think he's simply loyal to me (and suspect of you ATPG) enough that it colours his suggestions.

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Originally Posted by Ironside

EF can't be an orignal scum. He did attack both Kennigit and Riedquat (on my command), without showing any sign of corruption or hidden stats. That's on the record, checkable and all.

I think he's simply loyal to me (and suspect of you ATPG) enough that it colours his suggestions.

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Disturbing part is....that one member I mentioned wants to stop all vig-killing as soon as his name pop's up. TinCow? no sweat, what has he done? But EF no....:no:

I strongly think EF and him are scum buddies.

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Originally Posted by Ironside

Let say I'm into the plan to frame edse and make scans look failable. That's clever true.

Now when edse falls over innocent, what happens next? Innocent ATPG will suspect something, since it's low odds of it being a random framing (and I've already pointed it out earlier aka being aware of the situation) and look how many people knowing about the scan. Behold, by some odd action (since I usually posted all night actions in the main guild topic), I've only posted that in the wielder qt, where only me and ATPG is alive. After edse flips he'll accuse me. By some reason I'll expect that to fail, normal procedure will be done (aka lynch ATPG). When he flips innocent, look who's the next one to accuse. Ironside.

Yes, you have expected me to be that freaking stupid!! :stare:

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I don't think that's equivalent. In the ATPG-engineered situation he would have known he would be the prime suspect immediately after the end of the lynch phase. In addition, the way he went about it during the day, first accusing and then defending edse, drew heavy attention to him as possible scum even before the lynch was done with. ATPG actively endangered the very lynch that he would have been trying to promote by the fake-out, which is very poor strategy and does not seems consistent with his style.

For an Ironside-engineered situation, it's far more subtle and has far greater benefits to offset the risk. First off, when the action was planned I was still alive. If I hadn't been killed, there would have been a three-way stand-off between you, me, and ATPG with all of us accusing each other. That would have been a lot of cover, particularly for a starting headmaster who was, up to that point, thought to be guaranteed innocent. Second, the sheer chaos of the situation was bound to have (and has indeed) disrupted the relatively peaceful state the town was in, which is to the mafia's advantage. Third, even if you are scum you're clearly only a recruit and thus not a vital role. At this point in the game it's a worthwhile gamble to risk the life of a recruit to sow this much chaos and eat up a few lynch phases. Indeed, I'd go so far as to say that, far from being a stupid plan, it was a very intelligent and highly strategic plan.

If you are indeed innocent then perhaps we've all been chasing shadows and this is a comedy of errors. Regardless, I call the game as I see it, and right now the most likely scenario seems to me to be a situation engineered by you, rather than by ATPG or by pure luck.

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Originally Posted by Ironside

EF can't be an orignal scum. He did attack both Kennigit and Riedquat (on my command), without showing any sign of corruption or hidden stats. That's on the record, checkable and all.

I think he's simply loyal to me (and suspect of you ATPG) enough that it colours his suggestions.

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He was the one? Sweet! Attacking us proves nothing ... I wonder what shows of corruption you expected to see...

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

Disturbing part is....that one member I mentioned wants to stop all vig-killing as soon as his name pop's up. TinCow? no sweat, what has he done? But EF no....:no:

I strongly think EF and him are scum buddies.

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Make his name public! :stare:

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

Disturbing part is....that one member I mentioned wants to stop all vig-killing as soon as his name pop's up. TinCow? no sweat, what has he done? But EF no....:no:

I strongly think EF and him are scum buddies.

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If you are so sure of this why have you not revealed his name?


I also notice that yet again ATPG has failed to address any of the points I have made. Is anyone even reading my posts or are you all just jumping to this ridiculous conclusion together?

If you are innocent ATPG you should have no problem addressing these issue, all of which you have consistently refused to talk about:

1. Your assertion that johnhughthom was involved in TinCow's death, where did this come from?
2. Your repeated claims that being a mason means you cannot be recruited by the scum, is this explicitly stated in your role PM?

These are just few examples (I'm tired and know there are many more but can't recall them off the top of my head) of your odd behaviour, you even admitted to wanting to raise your corruption so you'd be more useful to the scum if they recruited you. I know these things aren't incredibly relevant to the current discussion but your refusal to respond to anything I post has forced me to take a different track.

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Originally Posted by Visorslash

Anyone not doing anything, help me attack EF.

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If this is what it take for you guys to trust me then go ahead. Just make sure I actually die or you'll have wasted two phases that are desperately needed for scum hunting.

If you do kill me tonight all I ask is that when I flip innocent you lynch ATPG immediately.

I have no doubt that he'll coclude that as I'm innocent Ironside must be guilty and try and get you to lynch him. He will then have eliminated two college heads and a wielder, utterly demolished the college of air at the cost of merely his own scummy life, without revealing any of his buddies. Don't fall for it, ATPG is playing you all.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

First off, when the action was planned I was still alive.

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Nope, you were dead by that point. You died the night before. That's why I promoted EF instead of going for a scan.

Really, I would've simply dropped the info in the main qt in that case. Had ATPG somehow fixed it on me in that case I would've been annoyed (since it's wrong), but not insulted. I'll do plenty of mistakes, just not simple ones as this when planning is involved.

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Originally Posted by Riedquat

He was the one? Sweet! Attacking us proves nothing ... I wonder what shows of corruption you expected to see...

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The only thing we know is that all scum will be more or less corrupted. And corrupted attacks (3-4) was shown the the writeup as corrupt.
And the original attackers had very good stats, unlike EF, who did only small time damage in the descriptions.

I did get an ambigious answer on this early on. It was by PM, since it was before it was clear that we would've 2 quick topics.

Anyway another question. Can a player with high corruption turn it off? As in attacking without doing corruption damage?

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Originally Posted by Jarema

no, he cant. but some effects may do the trick (I will not tell you if there is an item or an ability that allows it)

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I did take it as the scum could possibly fool scans (the reverse of current situation), but couldn't hide corruption in the attacks. It can also refer to that the pyros could burn the corruption away, of course.

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

Is anyone even reading my posts

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I am

Thank you Jarema :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

1. Your assertion that johnhughthom was involved in TinCow's death, where did this come from?

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He's right, it would be nice to clear up that point.

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Originally Posted by Ironside

Nope, you were dead by that point. You died the night before. That's why I promoted EF instead of going for a scan.

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Ah, you're right, sorry about that.

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

If you are so sure of this why have you not revealed his name?

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Because white_eyes really has no idea what is going on.

I suggested we find out exactly how much combined attack we would need to kill you, based on your given defense values and the fact that you have the artifact. Then I suggested we find out what our combined attack actually is, and if it matched up. Because if it didn't, then it would be kind of pointless to attack you since we would just want to lynch you the next day, anyway.

Regardless of whether we did or didn't have enough combined AV (I don't know, because white_eyes didn't say his AV), white_eyes proceeded to attack me as being "your scum buddy".

tl;dr he has flown completely off the handle with paranoia.

Exactly, there is no point attacking me unless I die. I won't be using the air artefact but if you don't believe me then attack with air, as it cannot defend against that.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Xenoneb was sleeping, when someone attacked him. Whirlwind crossed his cell, and throwed him agaist wall. Somewhat hurt, he walked to obtain some medical aid

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Elite Ferret was attacked with water. Strenght of attack was great, and he was damaged heavily.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

That's not all. Next day, he was attacked with air! Fortunately for poor Elite, this time attack was not so strong.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

ATPG was also attacked with air. Also this attack was succesfull, and he has been wounded moderately.

Day 10 begins


Living Players:
1. Captain Blackadder
2. Autolycus
3. Chaotix
4. Askthepizzaguy
5. Memnon
6. Alsark
7. Ironside
8. Visorslash
9. Issaikhaan
10. White eyes:D
11. Xenoneb
12. Robbiecon
13. Johnhughtom
14.Elite Ferret

Dead Players
Montmorency (aeromancers)
NinjaCow (pyromancers)
Andres (hydromancers)
Ignoramus(pyromancers)
Arjos (Defilers)
BSmith (Defilers)
El Barto (hydromancers)
Riedquat (Defilers)
LazyMcCrow(pyromancers)
TinCow (aeromancers)
Kennigit (Defilers)
Edse (hydromancers)

Attacked Players:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Alsark (n3, n8)
Andres (n3, n3, n3)
Askthepizzaguy (n2, n4, n8, n9)
Autolycus (n7 - group)
Chaotix (n1, n4, n4, n4)
Edse (n1)
El Barto (n6, n6)
Elite Ferret (n9, n9)
Ignoramus (n3)
Issaikhaan (n4, n5, n5, n5)
Johnhughtom (n3)
Kennigit (n3, n4, n6, n6)
LazyMcCrow (n1, n1, n3, n3, n7-group)
Montmorency (n1, n2, n2)
Riedquat (n4)
TinCow (n3, n4, n7 - group)
Visorslash (n2)
Xenoneb (n1, n2, n5, n9)

And that's exactly what I was afraid of happening. Great job guys.

I bet the mafia are absolutely loving this...

Also the Jar of Infinite Winds was stolen from me, which is not good news.

Vote: Elite Ferret

The JHT thing was a joke given the whole "Benny Boy" stuff. I believe that's some reference to Xenoneb, which I think JHT calls him that a lot.

vote:Askthepizzaguy

I'm almost looking forward to dying so that I can finally find out what the hell is going on. Fair play to whatever cunning so and so is orchestrating this.

Vote: Elite Ferret

Let's go with ATPG's hunch. He was right about edse, I suspect he is right about EF.

Also the constant stream of scum spouting from EF's mouth is kind of a dead giveaway.

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Originally Posted by MY attack on EF

Elite Ferret was attacked with water. Strenght of attack was great, and he was damaged heavily.

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SEE.....Chaotix should have just attacked, he would have been dead rather then wasting this phase. But NOOOO....."Take out the garbage first, rub my feet first, now I am too tired.":wall:

Why didn't you just do it, instead of having all this making excuses stuff?:stare:

Vote:Elite Ferret

Vote: Elite Ferret

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

vote:Askthepizzaguy

I'm almost looking forward to dying so that I can finally find out what the hell is going on. Fair play to whatever cunning so and so is orchestrating this.

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OMG, pizza sucks!

Just make sure you go after ATPG when I'm dead guys.

With regards to White Eyes' attack: how in the hell did you manage to do 6 damage? Either you've got a massive Water AV of 8 or you're super corrupted, which is it?

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

With regards to White Eyes' attack: how in the hell did you manage to do 6 damage? Either you've got a massive Water AV of 8 or you're super corrupted, which is it?

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By putting every XP into my Water AV (I was intending to be the batting ram for the Water College), you not defending or something, killing TinCow and getting more corruption.

You can tell my attack was not Super corrupt, in that it had no "Dirty Water" description to it, but not exactly "pure water" either.:sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

SEE.....Chaotix should have just attacked, he would have been dead rather then wasting this phase. But NOOOO....."Take out the garbage first, rub my feet first, now I am too tired.":wall:

Why didn't you just do it, instead of having all this making excuses stuff?:stare:

Vote:Elite Ferret

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You might have just mentioned you had around 8 Water AV. That would have been plenty reassuring enough.

Instead you complained that we didn't have enough time (this when we still had 10 hours left) and said you couldn't trust me and were just going to defend, neglecting to say anything on the matter.

I rest my case, white_eyes. If we had you calling the shots this whole time, Earth and Air would have gotten tired of the repeated potshots and just demolished us long ago.

I mentioned my Water AV in the QT.

I told you my attack would shred Elite Ferret's defense's....Are "Ye of so little faith" in me?~:mecry:

Edit: The biggest thing was that I received no, "I am doing this White_eyes:D but let's iron out the details". It was instead "Let's do anything but that action" kind of thing.:shrug:

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

I bet the mafia are absolutely loving this...

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No kidding... :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

Just make sure you go after ATPG when I'm dead guys.

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Look, you were going to get Atpg after lynching poor edse remember? Then You were going to get Atpg after getting down Ironside... Now its you going down, because you orchestrated the thing about edse with your mind control superpowers... and while you keep throwing accusations back and forth the other college is starting to fell in anarchy too, except the geodudes that are firm as rock. I'm enjoying this but my master is a bit concerned town is killing itself, not a bad thing per se but bad to get to our objectives in the end, so slow down the paranoia a bit.

Lynch elite Ferret and Ironside, in whichever order pleases you the most.

I must repeat, someone reveal to kumquat so he shuts up.

I have to say I'm surprised to be alive and even more, unattacked.

What did you decide Geos? No attack at all?

Notice that neither me (I attacked Xenoeb, to clear out the natural lynch after me and ATPG dead. Decision made before EF got accused), ATPG nor Elite Ferret got corrupt attacks.

Your water AV White Eyes? If corruption did extra damage, then EF needs to have less.

Water guild, do you agree that one buring down corruption, the second healing him and your new master also doing confirmable actions (or simply scanning) are reasonable?

I know I got very low credibility, but personally I'm suspect of one in water and the other(s?) lurking in earth. My guess is that the early promoted wielders are innocent, based on how the item thefts has been. Earth is clear of defilers based on the wasted attack on 'khaan.

I'm not surprised. There's like two townies interested in voting anyone or attacking anything.

I fell asleep, so I didn't send in order in. Been busy today as well. Wish the nights were longer.

Want me to perform an action tonight, tell me. I have high DVs, but lowish AVs except for Water.