You would use "them" for singular in that sentence, because you don't know if the detective is male or female, so you can't say "him" or "her".
What was your little experiment and what did you conclude?
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You would use "them" for singular in that sentence, because you don't know if the detective is male or female, so you can't say "him" or "her".
What was your little experiment and what did you conclude?
Well, I'm glad everyone has realized that I'm not the godfather.
*continues work on tomato catapult*
CR
What can I say? I'm just a nice fellow.Quote:
Masy (hasn't said boo the whole damned game except to defend himself)
Day breaks in the Gameroom. All is quiet.
Don Corleone went out to his favourite restaurant for the evening. Eating fine foods was the only way for him to relax, and with the threat of the mafia constantly looming it was especially difficult for him to relax.
He arrived and sat at his usual table, next to the fish tank. Service was surprisingly quick.
"Hello," said the immacculately dressed waitor, "I am Ivan and I will be your waitor for this evening. Are you ready to order?"
DC eyed him up suspiciously. He had never seen this man in the restaurant before, and none of the other employees ever dressed that well. He must just be new and enthusiastic, DC thought.
"Yes, thank you. I will have the spicy meat-a-balls, with your finest australian red."
The waitor nodded and walked off. He strangely arrived back only a few minutes later, holding the meal and the wine in his hands. He laid the sumptuous looking plate of meatballs in front of DC, and poured him out some wine. DC didn't seem particularly interested in that, though. He began stuffing his face with the spicy meat-a-balls; his suspicions had disappeared when he first saw the plate with them. He was so into the meal that he did not even notice when the waitor pulled out a pistol and pointed it at his head.
He cocked the gun and fired. DC's penetrated head fell straight into the plate.
Chief of Police Divine Wind addressed the dwindling townspeople in the town centre.
"People! Despite our greatest efforts, the killings still have not ended! If we cannot find one who is responsible now, it may be too late to do anything else. Next execution will be done by burning at the stake. Cast your votes - and remember, this is crucially important."
Status List
Killed By Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar
Major Robert Dump
Byzantine Mercenary
Sir Moody
theRTWGuru
Dutch_guy
Xiahou
Cowhead418
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Lynched:
Drisos
Kommodus
Sasaki Kojiro
Ignoramus
Evil_Maniac From Mars
GeneralHankerchief
Seamus Fernanagh
Crazed Rabbit
PM:
Destroyer of Hope
Wrath of God:
Big King Sanctaphrax
Peasant Phill
Still alive:
Masy
Csar
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Divine Wind
Myrddraal
6 players remaining.
If you gotta go, go with a smile (and a nice glass of Australian Shiraz). Well, that certainly was a nice way to exit. I'll check back in a while to see what actually happened...
Now I have die Qual der Wahl.
Anyone volunteering as the next lynchee?
Anyone who does not want to be voted for?
Anyone who might want to give his last comment?
Anyone who has an idea who to lynch next?
Anyone who wants to be spared?
Anyone who wants to explain his views?
Anyone who would like to tell me more than I already know?
Anyone who does not like this post?
Just go ahead, Husar is there and will listen to you.
Sigurd made some comments about why DW might be suspicious, but I cannot really see anything very suspicious there to be honest. He sounds more like he was mighty confuzzled but not like he had an evil plan in the back of his mind, I might want to check another theory now....
edit, this might take ages, the thread is just too long, but I can explain my general idea:
The mafiosi mention who is supicious and those who they mention are very likely not the one who gets killed next since they always kill innocent people. Then again, innocent people get mentioned here and there as well so there might be some knowledge to gain by looking whether there is someone who is still alive who never mentioned someone as suspicious who would get killed right afterwards.
The problem though is, that this theory is trather weak and some who are still alive have fewer posts than the thread has pages so there is not much to gain from this I fear.
A ghostly voice whispers in Husar's ear from beyond the shroud....
Ask yourself why they'd kill me now. What did I say and how did I vote that bought me a bullet. They had some reason for killing me before you.
-- please note, this is following on Sigurd's "scenario #2" and my comments thereon. It presumes the mafiosi cabal to include GH and Myrd.
The Scenario as is:
-- 6 Townies remain, only 5 of whom may vote.
-- 1 mafioso, the Godfather, must still be active.
-- It is possible that another mafioso is also active.
-- Mafioso #3, General Hankerchief, has already been lynched.
-- Myrdraal is not a detective who has given up investigating, but a mafioso who never could. He is possibly the GF, though this seems unlikely with Hankerchief naming him as his "partner."
This rounds lynchee should be Myrdraal.
--If he is not lynched, and the lynch fails to correctly get the GF, another innocent will be lynched and a 2nd murdered, leaving 1 innocent townie with a vote, two mafia votes and the CofP who cannot vote. Game Over.
--If he is, surprisingly, the GF, its a townie win.
--If he's just a wiseguy, then even following another murder there will be 2 voting townies, 1 GF, and the CofP.
--If it so happens that Divine Wind is the godfather, there would actually be more townies left, and a longer time until mafia victory.
Of the remaining folks:
Divine Wind's voting record is indecipherable. He voted often, claiming to not remember that his votes would not count, but this might have been a ploy. His non-effective votes were for:
Abstain, Drisos, Sigurd, Sigurd, ~, ~, Gen. Hanky, ~, ~
Csar voted:
Abstain, Drisos, Kommodus, Sasaki, Ignoramus, Abstain, ~, Sigurd, Rabbit
This means he voted to kill the known innocents (Drisos & Kommo), the ever-suspicioius Sasaki, and the now-known-not-to-be-a-godfather rabbit.
Husar voted:
Guru, Abstain, Don C, Don C, Iggy, EMFM, Hanky, Seamus, Abstain.
Was clearly gunning for Don C early on, but followed established voting trends or abstained in all subsequent rounds. Difficult to decipher.
Masy voted:
Abstain, Drisos, ~, ~, Iggy, ~, Husar, Csar, Rabbit.
Difficult to assess this. Masy is the last surviving "inactive" voter from the early game. This could be a strategic choice to appear low profile, or just happenstance. He did sit out the close vote to stretch Sasaki.
Sigurd voted:
Abstain, Abstain, Kommo, Don C, Iggy, Prole, ~, Seamus, Rabbit
Most suspicious point is absence of any vote during the Hanky reveal and lynching. Did not vote to off Sasaki, though the Don C vote came late and was effectively after the decision had been reached. Active voter and discussion participant.
Thoughts?
Myrddraal's lurking makes him likely to be Godfather imo (btw Sigurd, he also invited the detective to investigate him). I think that in the event there is one mafioso and one godfather left, the mafioso will try to get someone lynched and the godfather will sit back. If the mafioso isn't believed and gets himself lynched then the game isn't over. It's a safe strategy.
It looks to me like Sigurd is the mafioso and Myrddraal is the Godfather. Sigurd has been acting weird all game, drumming up poor cases against people and getting them lynched. He said he was experimenting but hasn't answered my query as to how.
His case against Divine Wind is weak imo. In summary: DW asked Silver for a role and therefore might have it (!?), he asks the detective to investigate him (reasonable evidence, unfortunately useless since Myrddraal did the same), and that he forgot he wasn't supposed to vote. It looks much more like an "attempt to find a lynchee" than "attempt to find godfather".
Also, he makes a long post examining the scenario in which GH and Myrddraal are innocent, but doesn't do a followup examination in which he assumes them guilty.
I think Myrddraal is our best bet for Godfather.
Kill Husar. Consider; Don says he believes Husar the only other innocent. Who else could Husar kill that woud cast less suspicion on him?
CR
No, I don't think so. Don believed Husar innocent. 3 votes will be a majority this round. One vote in this situation is huge, it would have been foolish to waste it. Husar would have been forced to kill either Csar or Masy (killing Myrd would remove Sigurd from suspicion and vice versa).Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
If Csar or Masy were godfather it would have been the best strategy to kill Don.
If Sigurd and Myrddraal were mafia, Don would have been the best choice as well, since Don had been presumed innocent by themselves and they wouldn't have been able to lynch him.
Of course, Husar could have killed Don just to make himself look innocent by this reasoning. I really doubt that, but then I've already made it clear who I think is guilty.
I think the GH and Myrd detective thing is a bunch of crap. I doubt Myrd is the Godfather though but it's a possiblity. I don't think he would put himself out so much and take such a risk. My suspicion lies with Sigurd or DW I don't know which one though. God this is so confusing.
It is important now that the dead will voice their opinions, especially the innocent dead. We have until tomorrow at around 2000 GMT+1 to figure this out.
To answer Sasaki’s question first; in the beginning I wanted to act on impulses and my gut reactions, not so much what my brain said. Just to see if it would yield any results. It got me in a lot of trouble though and it was quite funny. Clearly that is not my thing.
It seems though that carelessness gets you far in a mafia game. The townies seem to disregard you because you are overly suspicious. The mafia ignore you or try to use you in their ploy. There was some that tried to drum up a bandwagon on me earlier in the game… What happened? I became less suspicious? Did the mafia realise that I was more worth as a crazy townie that created havoc and disruption amongst the townsfolk than an easy lynch candidate?
Well townies we are at a very crucial point in the game… no mistakes now. Should we follow Seamus’ advice? He is not cleared from his investigation that came up as guilty.
The thing that moves me in the direction of believing him is that I know how hard it is to constantly lie to people you know. It is quite taxing .. huh GH? The night that ended ‘Gotta have more mafia’ I felt tired and dirty. Is this why GH and Myrddraal is keeping their posting activity to a minimal now? I think it is.
The slip ups, theRTWGuru situation, the silence, GH talking cryptic in the chat and other bits and pieces lead me to think that I should vote for Myrddraal. It should have been done yesterday.
Here goes;
Vote:Myrddraal
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
That reason was already obvious to me.
I said that before but noone listens to me anyway.~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Now you got my evil plan, but why did Don believe in my innocence then? Am I that good at fooling people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Vote: Myrddraal
I think the town's going to lose personally. If I were still alive, I'd be following the GH and Myrd as detectives path though.
I have a feeling that this is all going to have a "Usual Suspects" type ending... Silver Rusher and the others that are "In" on it are going to have to explain it at least 3 times. I agree with the idea of civlians working on behalf of the mafia, but I still continue in my belief that there's two mafias out there.
If you believe in the Myrdraal/GH cabal, and you believe that Sigurd has something to do with it, vote Sigurd. He wouldn't throw his boss under the bus that early. That means HE is the boss.
Alright, if you don't find Husar guilty, vote Sigurd. He's beeen very suspicious, in my view.
CR
Really? Even though I accused him, thus proving his innocence? ~:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I know GH and Myrddraal are guilty (fake detective thing), and if we accept 3 mafia total then either you or Sigurd are guilty. I'm willing to give Sigurd the benefit of the doubt, especially since he voted Myrd. There's also the fact that you want us to lynch Sigurd...I don't recall you finding him suspicious before, now you suddenly change your mind?
Ok, I've kept my silence for too long.
Myrddraal and I are not Detectives. There are no Detectives (unless Silver sent RTWguru something weird). There are no mafia. We have been players putting on a performance for Silver Rusher's entertainment. I present to you a PM he sent to me shortly after I received the "Detective PM." It is quoted in the form where no italics are present, unless specifically put in there by him.
Obviously I was skeptical at first, but after an exchange of PMs with Silver it was clear he wasn't fooling.Quote:
Hello GeneralHankerchief,
By now YOU have received my little Pm that I sent to you and Myrddraal detailing your roles as Detectives. but, however, mhmm, it's all a bunch of bologna actually. I like bologna, yum. Anyways, dating
back
to that PM, it's all fake. It's not the true twist, no it isn't Precious. Truth be told, there are no Detectives.
There are no mafia.
There are even no... GODFATHERS!!! :dizzy2: Shocking, isn't it? Would YOU like to know why?
It's because I'm and evil person. See, I even use the evil smiley. :evil: Evil evil evil. :evil: :evil: :evil: Now that I have proven my evilness to YOU, let me explain why I have done this evil thing.
You see, I took a lot of flack (another great word. Flack flack flack. Too bad there's not a smiley for it. I should really ask Tosa about it) in Cosa Nuova for my track record, which I do admit is not the best out there. See, I'm kinda Mad about that. Actually, quite m ad. So, I'm going to be just randomly killing off people, without any mafia involvement thingies. And it will be fun, and brutal.
Oh, btw, YOU and Myrdd should probably still investigate people, just to keep up YOUr cover. The results will be random, however (randomness is funnyy) and I won't care too much about order ro continuity. So watch out for that.
But, I guess, in order to make the game fun, i guess there needs to be some sory of task.
SO, I'm going to pick one person that you need to keep AlIvE for the Game. In this case, it will be Sigurd Fafnesbane. Don't worry, I won't kill him off or anything. I'm not that evil (or am I? Muahahahahahaha :evil:). But if he is executed, YOU all LOSE. Won't that be fun?
So, good luck, play safe, etc. Btw, YOU are allowed to
reveal
this PM at any time, but be careful. If YOU enjoy watching good Mafia (this game *is* Mafia, right? Maybe it's Name That Pharoah :egypt:) games as much as I do, YOU'll do well to keep this PM under wraps.
PS: Do you like codes? I like codes. There's a code in this PM. If YOU crack it, then I pick a mafia/Detective and it's an actual game. Everything in this PM is Fair Game, including this little PS here.
That is why this game has taxed me so much. That is why I took a round off right after my argument with Sasaki. That is why I defended Sigurd so ardently in one of the rounds. Because I wanted the game to be a normal one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Rusher
But time has gone by now, and I have made zero progress. I have no clue what The Rule of Four is, and cannot decipher the PM. So screw it, I really don't care anymore.
Town, it's up to you. If you think you can help crack this code, vote for Myrd by all means. But if you're fed up with this massive deceit, vote Sigurd and stick it in Silver's face. Because I'm done.
lol, A for effort GH. But Silvers "annoyed" pm's are a lot more coherant than that.
Also, GH criticized Silver's track record in Cosa Nuova, so it makes no sense that Silver would let him know what was going on this game.
GH and Crazed seem quite eager for us to lynch Sigurd rather than Myrddraal. Maybe he actually is the Godfather and they are using reverse psychology, but the smarter move is to lynch Myrddraal anyway, regardless of what they say.
Sasaki was lynched, no proof of guilt or innocence.
I was assassinated, proven innocent.
If what General Hank says is true (and I seriously doubt it), then there's no winning this game for the townies. Silver will keep shifting the rules all along until he gets the result he wants. To that end, do what will annoy Silver the most.
If he's lying, he's trying to save Sigurd. Likewise, everyone's favorite undead mafia, Sasaki, is trying to save Sigurd.
Add to that Sigurd's track record of getting people lynched on falsified evidence.
Csar, Masy, Husar... you know what to do.
Gah. I say lynch Sigurd just to find out if it's true or not. If we all "lose" the game because Sigurd dies, well... who really cares about winning or losing under such circumstances?
And BTW...
Why the heck would I be mentioned here? I had no special role.Quote:
Originally Posted by [B
Anyway, if this is true (which strikes me as a bit of a long shot), I'm glad I never wasted the time required to finish my new numerical method. It would've been useless in such a situation.
Ah, do whatever you like. Maybe Myrddraal really is the most likely to be a villain of some kind (mafioso or Godfather). As for me, I'll be walking around wearing goggles in anticipation of my upcoming tomato bombardment. :tomato: :tomato: :tomato:
Vote: Sigurd I say we find out if it's true or not. I wouldn't put it past Silver to do something like this.
If he's telling the truth (extremely doubtful) then the game was a sham from the beginning and lynching sigurd or anyone else has no meaning.
If he's lying, why would we do what he wants us to do? It seems pretty clear that it's an effort to save Myrddraal who has two votes on him. If the game isn't over after lynching Myrddraal we'll know the truth anyway.
This exchange was sent at the beginning of the game. My guess is that Silver just put in all the previous Mafia vets plus his unsuspecting "Detective."Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
Gee, what reason would I have for encouraging a lynch of Sigurd? (Hint: Revenge)Quote:
Really? Even though I accused him, thus proving his innocence?
Anwyas, GH you're a terrible person if you're lying. And if you're not, Silver is a terrible person.
CR
So there is only one? Oh crap.... The town is screwed. You just can't win without one. That is not possible.Quote:
"...making them execute an enemy. There will also probably be a detective,...
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Also agreed. Had I read the rules more carefully and/or noticed that it said twist, I might have not signed up, next twisty game sounds like a nono for me...:thumbsdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
My vote still stays, Mister Myrddraal(notice the correct spelling, it's really easy ~;)) is the next on the list, I encourage all true townies to join in.:2thumbsup:
Yeah, on second thought, sticking with Myrddraal is the better choice. He should be lynched regardless of whether GH is telling the truth or not.
It's plain now that GH has lied at least once, and therefore so has M. They're either mafia or they're telling the truth and there are no mafia. If they are mafia, and they were OK with M being lynched, they wouldn't have tried anything to change it - they'd simply have let it happened.
So forget what I said earlier. Stick with Myrddraal as your next target.
Again thRTWGuru implies that he was the only detective... and GH has dropped his bomb as promised. I didn't think it would be a confession of not being the detectives after all. It does seem like a last desperate attempt to shield the Godfather.Quote:
Originally Posted by theRTWGuru
My vote stands.
If by chance it is true... I mean, come on Silver… do not drag petty divergences into a game of Mafia. All though this has been an exercise in psychology you will have trouble signing this player on to any of your future games. Strict objectivity and a clear mind are invariable qualities of a narrator. As of yet you are innocent in all this and will be until the end of this game. Do not feel the need to respond to any of this as it will preserve your objectivity.
GH is in character and even though it is all a lie we should not think less of him. I once mentioned that every new game of Mafia needs better stories and better skills at presenting them as we all evolve and become more experienced players. The skills needed to win a game now are certainly higher than they have been in previous games.
[edit]: Oh.. before I forget. I will be busy during this weekend and will not be able to post much. You will not find me in the chat tonight or tomorrow night.
Sunday night I might be able to pop in. (2100 GMT+1)