Mafia VI: Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Return of the Mafia [Concluded]

Can be deleted. Very strange things going on here.

Edit: To make this post useful : HAPPY BIRTDAY GENERALHANKERCHIEF

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Originally Posted by Stig

BTW, note that Andres hasn't started desperate posting like in Midgard, when he was innocent.

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And what did I get form desperate posting? I got lynched :laugh4: And 'til the end of the game nobody believed my innocence. Heck, one of my last posts pointed at you and ATPG, but nobody believed me, because I was guilty...

So I learned that desperate posting when innocent is not a good tactic.

Well, for what it's worth, I regret nobody thinks CR or Kommodus are guilty.

Last round, I was really convinced Kommodus and CR were our two mafiosi. It seems I was wrong about at least one of them, or maybe both, in which case I indeed deserve to get lynched as a bad townie, abused by the mafia :shame:

On the risk of once again preaching in the desert, here is my reflection:

1) Crazed Rabbit : has been lurking during all the game, yet never got WoG'ed. Claimed real life issues. When confronted with the fact that he did post in other threads, he claimed here that he did do that because in those threads he didn't have to read hundreds of posts. Yet, in that same post he quickly put in a vote on Dutch_guy, while not having been able to read the whole thread, meanwhile not giving any good reason :inquisitive:Add to that the fact that he made several posts in the Midgard Saga, as you can see when you go searching for posts made by CR, which contained alot more posts than this game. You'll also notice how he posted alot more frequently in here when he came 'under fire'. The argument "Crazed Rabbit has never lied before in a mafia game", is not very convincing to me: 1) this is mafia, a game of lies and deception; 2) maybe it's the first time he got this close to a mafia victory (has he been mafia before in other games?)

2) Stig: Seamus posted this a while ago. Average Mafioso/Jotun = [1.89] which corresponed exactly with Stig's average posting at that time. Seamus, do you have more recent results based on the entire thread as for now and if so, can you give us the results for the living players? Kommodus also posted a list of results of all players still alive at that time here. You can read there that Stig's posting style resembles the one of Midgard. As for now, however, Stig didn't seem suspicous to me, allthough I find it odd he is so eager to switch his vote to me without very good reasoning ("Kommodus and CR seem to be above suspicion", while he continuously claimed otherwise until now). He seems eagerly willing to survive. He didn't act like that in Midgard, but there he wasn't under as much pressure as now.

3) Kommodus: is absent from the thread for a while, claiming real life (which seems to be correct, after doing the same search as on CR). Pops up somewhere mid-game and posts results of 'holmes'. 15 players were still alive, and he posts a rather long list of 6 suspects here.
Afterwards, Kommodus got questioned by several players. Than something very strange happens. Allthough 'holmes' didn't detect D_G, he suddenly claims that he must be mafia, because he didn't got detected by 'holmes'. This is very confusing to me: a) the first suspect is ATC, 'holmes' points it out b) the second suspect must be Dutch_Guy, he didn't got noticed by 'holmes', so he must be mafia! ~:confused:

And I didn't see him posting in the drunkards thread :laugh4:

Kommodus, I know you don't like people saying this, but your system has already failed once. Add to that the fact that you pretended to have a similar system in one of the previous mafia games, using that as an argument to draw away suspicion while being a mafioso (and obtaining victory, or am I wrong?). Firstly, I thought you were a team with CR and you tried backing him up, because 'he never lied before in a previous game'. Now, Ichigo seems to think likewise, so maybe your argumentation to protect CR isn't that strange. Besides, if you were mafia, you would have been happy with the town voting CR and Dutch_guy. If you were mafia, it would have been easy to post some 'new results' of holmes to prove it was CR after all, making sure a townie would get lynched (since both Stig and I are still alive and were convinced it was him in the previous round). So maybe you are innocent after all and that's why you are third and last on my list.

Or maybe you keep pursuing me persistently, sticking to your role of the innocent townie.

Anyway, I would like Kommodus to post a last list of results on the living players (including him off course), given by 'holmes' and, if possible, Seamus to post some new results of his counting system.

As for the stories, Midgard thaught me you cannot trust those... :angry: Gah! Still upset about not going to valhalla.


Vote : Crazed Rabbit

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allthough I find it odd he is so eager to switch his vote to me without very good reasoning

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Dutch Guy was killed with 4-2. ie. anyone who voted for DG is innocent, as every change in votes would have made a difference. That leaves me and you, and I know I'm innocent, which leaves you.

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Originally Posted by Stig

Dutch Guy was killed with 4-2. ie. anyone who voted for DG is innocent, as every change in votes would have made a difference. That leaves me and you, and I know I'm innocent, which leaves you.

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I believe it was a 4 -3. Also, there's the point of my innocence, which only I know as a fact. The point I am trying to make, is that everyone here seems to focus on either Kommodus or Andres. The three others are slipping below radar, which is the ideal position a mafia member would want to find himself in.

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So you're saying you don't want us to go after Andres, then? Hmmm.

I know I am innocent, I'm pretty sure everyone but Stig and Kommodus EDIT: I meant Andres are innocent, and given the events of this round so far, I am going to
vote: Andres

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I believe it was a 4 -3. Also, there's the point of my innocence, which only I know as a fact.

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Why did the pale man do both kills this time, then?

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The argument "Crazed Rabbit has never lied before in a mafia game", is not very convincing to me: 1) this is mafia, a game of lies and deception; 2) maybe it's the first time he got this close to a mafia victory (has he been mafia before in other games?)

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I've been mafia several times before, and in one situation where lying might have saved me.

The doubt you continually cast on me for lurking and accusing me of dishonesty makes me suspect you all the more.

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and obtaining victory, or am I wrong?

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Nope, the unlucky detective destroyed his mafia team in the last two rounds, alive and from beyond the grave. :knight:

CR

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

The doubt you continually cast on me for lurking and accusing me of dishonesty makes me suspect you all the more.

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Ah, but I don't doubt and I'm not just accusing you of dishonesty.

You have been dishonest. Why didn't you quote the relevant part of my post?

I'll help you:

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Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning

Crazed Rabbit : has been lurking during all the game, yet never got WoG'ed. Claimed real life issues. When confronted with the fact that he did post in other threads, he claimed here that he did do that because in those threads he didn't have to read hundreds of posts. Yet, in that same post he quickly put in a vote on Dutch_guy, while not having been able to read the whole thread, meanwhile not giving any good reason :inquisitive:Add to that the fact that he made several posts in the Midgard Saga, as you can see when you go searching for posts made by CR, which contained alot more posts than this game. You'll also notice how he posted alot more frequently in here when he came 'under fire'. The argument "Crazed Rabbit has never lied before in a mafia game", is not very convincing to me: 1) this is mafia, a game of lies and deception; 2) maybe it's the first time he got this close to a mafia victory (has he been mafia before in other games?)

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You have been lying and you have been dishonest. There's no point in denying that. This makes you all the more suspicious in my eyes. Since the explanation about you posting habits is a lie, I think it's reasonable to assume you are capable of lying in a mafia game.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

I've been mafia several times before, and in one situation where lying might have saved me.

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And since the staying honest tactic didn't work in that particular game, you might as well have changed your tactic now. Why would that be impossible?

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

So you're saying you don't want us to go after Andres, then? Hmmm.

I know I am innocent, I'm pretty sure everyone but Stig and Kommodus are innocent, and given the events of this round so far, I am going to
vote: Andres



Why did the pale man do both kills this time, then?






CR

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No, not really, I was merely saying concentrating the action on two players isn't the best thing you could do if there are still 5 players left, with a mere one round to go. Certainly you can see why that may be then ?

I don't understand this part, I'm pretty sure everyone but Stig and Kommodus are innocent, and yet you let both of those slip, why is that ?

I really wouldn't know, what I have learned from the mafia games I've played in thus far is that the kill descriptions tend to be more misleading than they are useful to the town. If you can show me one kill description which has, in fact, helped us actually catch a mafioso, I stand corrected. However, if not, then my point still stands.

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CR why did you vote for andres?

If we lynch an innocent today the mafia wins you realize.

Why is DG quilty?
When he got lynched:
Still alive: (7)
Kagemusha
Stig
Ichigo
Crazed Rabbit
CountArach
AndresTheCunning
Kommodus

That night 2 would be killed, that means 5 left alive. That day a mafia gets lynched, that means 4 left alive. That night 2 would be killed, that means 2 left alive. STALEMATE ... in other words either Dutch Guy was mafia, or someone else we lynched before was mafia, tho I doubt that. Seeing the text about the pale man and this:

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Originally Posted by GH

Dutch dutifully placed himself on the chopping block (literally) with a look of slight regret on his face as he was decapitated.

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Originally Posted by DG

I believe it was a 4 -3.

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Oh, yeah, actually it was. That means mafia could have won that day. Since they didn't everyone that voted for Dutch Guy is innocent. Which leaves me and Andres.
It's your choice ... tho I would go for Andres.

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Originally Posted by Stig

Oh, yeah, actually it was. That means mafia could have won that day. Since they didn't everyone that voted for Dutch Guy is innocent. Which leaves me and Andres.
It's your choice ... tho I would go for Andres.

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For those who believe in the stories, you might as well consider this: in the beginning of the game, we always had one kill where a mafioso asked 'do you like meat?' followed by some crazy meat related murder. That stopped after the lynching of Caius. That's the only possible clue I could find in the stories, but as I said, this is for believers only. I learned my lesson about hidden clues in the stories from Midgard :shame:

Ichigo said he believed Stig was guilty and he repeated that once more.

Ichigo died.

Stig saw Kommodus' post and quoted it almost immediately in the thread (check page 28, he repeated that particular post later on (#836)). After Kommodus insisted, he deletes the quote.

Killing two innocents from that list would have made Stig suspicious. So he only kills one "innocent". After that, he choses to kill CA. Allthough he was on Kommodus' list, it was not very likely that CA would have gotten lynched. Add to that that CA displayed the will to follow Kommodus, no matter what. So, Ichigo was a certain vote for Stig: killed. CA was the only "suspect" capable of voting for Stig, so, if he had to kill a suspect to draw away the attention from him ('I wouldn't be that stupid!'), CA was the best choice.

I have been prosecuted severly by Kommodus during the game and CR follows him almost blindly, so that's two votes for me, no doubt about that. Stig + CR + Kommodus = majority = townie lynch = Mafia Victory.

On the other hand, I still have my doubts about CR and I would like to hear a better reason for his vote on me, because this :

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

I know I am innocent, I'm pretty sure everyone but Stig and Kommodus are innocent, and given the events of this round so far, I am going to
vote: Andres

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is very very confusing. Care to elaborate a bit on that CR?

I would like one of the murdered (not the lynched) players to declare that the statements about CR are indeed correct. If one of them confirms in the thread that CR can be trusted, I might change my vote towards Stig.

So for now:

Unvote : Crazed Rabbit
Vote : Abstain

I'm not even gonna reply to Andres' post, not because I'm being rude, but simply because I think no discussion is needed here.

Andres and I could be mafia
Andres says he isn't
I say I'm not

Only one of us is speaking the truth, for the others to judge it

Andres, CR as mafia has not sworn his innocence even when he ended up lynched.

@stig: how are we supposed to judge it if you won't respond to posts?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Andres, CR as mafia has not sworn his innocence even when he ended up lynched.

@stig: how are we supposed to judge it if you won't respond to posts?

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Thanks for your quick answer Sasaki, but you got lynched, not murdered by the mafia...

A nice opportunity to use a new smiley: come on, murdered and experienced players:

:feedback:

Gah, miswrote my earlier post - meant to say everyone but Stig and Andres seemed innocent. Edited now.

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You have been lying and you have been dishonest. There's no point in denying that. This makes you all the more suspicious in my eyes. Since the explanation about you posting habits is a lie, I think it's reasonable to assume you are capable of lying in a mafia game.

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Yes, but I have never lied when I've said I was telling the truth.

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Ichigo said he believed Stig was guilty and he repeated that once more.

Ichigo died.

Stig saw Kommodus' post and quoted it almost immediately in the thread (check page 28, he repeated that particular post later on (#836)). After Kommodus insisted, he deletes the quote.

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And how are we to know the mafia isn't trying to frame Stig? Especially since you brought this up. It becomes very WIFOM.

You are now trying to go after Stig, as it seems I am not a good lynch candidate for you anymore. If you are a good townie, you want the mafia to lose.

Either Stig or you are mafia. We have only one lynch left, and so can't kill both of you by lynching. What if Stig agreed to commit suicide and we lynched you, so that the town would win no matter which one of you was mafia? Surely that would please you, as we'd get the mafia no matter what.

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@stig: how are we supposed to judge it if you won't respond to posts?

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Ditto. This isn't over yet stig, we need to keep talking.

Crazed Rabbit

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

@stig: how are we supposed to judge it if you won't respond to posts?

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I can't prove my innocence, I can only say that I'm innocent.

I've never know CR to lie when he was mafia.

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Originally Posted by Stig

I'm not even gonna reply to Andres' post, not because I'm being rude, but simply because I think no discussion is needed here.

Andres and I could be mafia
Andres says he isn't
I say I'm not

Only one of us is speaking the truth, for the others to judge it

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Why don't you answer why you thought a tie wasn't good in the beginning then decided it was good later on?

FWIW, I'd be voting Andres were I still alive and able to do so. The evidence for DG being mafia seems sound, this limiting the candidates to two. Of the two, Adres came up early in the game as suspicious to me and his arguments seem more desperate now as well.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

What if Stig agreed to commit suicide and we lynched you, so that the town would win no matter which one of you was mafia? Surely that would please you, as we'd get the mafia no matter what.

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I disapprove of this as it's a gamebreaking strategy. As soon as we got couple confirmed innocents in any game we could have the others suicide, thus revealing the mafia.

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And how are we to know the mafia isn't trying to frame Stig? Especially since you brought this up. It becomes very WIFOM.

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If you played Midgard you know I'm not that stupid

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What if Stig agreed to commit suicide and we lynched you, so that the town would win no matter which one of you was mafia? Surely that would please you, as we'd get the mafia no matter what.

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I would agree to that, but as Sasaki says, it's a bit unethical.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I disapprove of this as it's a gamebreaking strategy. As soon as we got couple confirmed innocents in any game we could have the others suicide, thus revealing the mafia.

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Very well. Consider my proposal withdrawn. I suppose it would be a bit unfair.

In honesty, I just wanted to see how Andres would reply to it.

My vote will remain on Andres for now.

Crazed Rabbit

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

I've never know CR to lie when he was mafia.

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Thanks Ichigo.

Vote : Stig

@Crazed Rabbit: how was I supposed to know? At least now I have somebody who is above suspicion (Ichigo who got murdered last night) to confirm on this. Thus far, you got only backed up by Kommodus, who was on my suspect list, and Ichigo when he was still alive. You must admit, for someone who didn't know for sure about your attitude in previous mafia games, the reason why one should believe in your innocence was ridiculous. Besides, you are never mentioned as mafia in the Mafia FAQ and synopsis (with the exception of a mini mafia game, which you won), so can someone please tell me which game you are all talking about?

I should go for abstain all, then no lynch at all.That can give you time.

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Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius

I should go for abstain all, then no lynch at all.That can give you time.

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Abstaining is similiar to not voting, which will get you WoG'ed

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Originally Posted by Myself

Killing two innocents from that list would have made Stig suspicious. So he only kills one "innocent". After that, he choses to kill CA. Allthough he was on Kommodus' list, it was not very likely that CA would have gotten lynched. Add to that that CA displayed the will to follow Kommodus, no matter what. So, Ichigo was a certain vote for Stig: killed. CA was the only "suspect" capable of voting for Stig, so, if he had to kill a suspect to draw away the attention from him ('I wouldn't be that stupid!'), CA was the best choice.

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Originally Posted by Stig, answering CR

If you played Midgard you know I'm not that stupid

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:laugh4:

heh, this seems appropriate:

https://img123.imageshack.us/img123/...0070226xp8.gif

Hey, there's a new smiley, especially invented for Kommodus : :holmes:

Lynch Stig that's all that's left he doesn't seem to want to answer questions directed towards him. :logic:

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Lynch Stig that's all that's left he doesn't seem to want to answer questions directed towards him. :logic:

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What question do I need to answer?

Yours?

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Why don't you answer why you thought a tie wasn't good in the beginning then decided it was good later on?

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That's simple. I didn't know that after a tie we get another day fase. I thought it would mean simply no lynch and then the night fase.

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Originally Posted by Stig

What question do I need to answer?

Yours?

That's simple. I didn't know that after a tie we get another day fase. I thought it would mean simply no lynch and then the night fase.

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Why didn't you answer it before?