are you hearing yourself rnQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
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are you hearing yourself rnQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
I’m fine with voting today too.
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
vote: Syn
I have nothing else to say until postgame really.
you did less than syn or i did. so by that logic, you should be the wolf, right?
I wouldn't go that far lolQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
Syn is a busser/deepwolf and I?m not.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
idk about that one chiefQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
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dya, re baudibs entrance, i get it
baudib, im not gonna lie your posts have been increasingly over the top in the last couple day phases and its making me nervous
if you're a villa you need to settle down and solve in ways that don't rely on you screaming things that are exaggerated and basically not true
fwiw, i would prefer to vote today, if we lose because i vote wrong then so be it, but i have gotten very sick of beign shot the day before lylo and watching from the sidelines as we lose
vote: baudib1
his opening this phase is terribad
but in general his posting has been dripping with agenda throughout the game and while he makes the right noises during heated moments, there was a subtle push away from ender and a constant pressure toward opening up the POE. with nobody taking the bait, his game has increasingly grown more and more emotional, appealing to ancient meta, "I would never do that as a wolf," arguing with Ephemeral about optimal PR play in a casual game, and equating effort with alignment
he is the wolf
nothing I’m saying is exaggerated. The PR had a red check and voted the CW when we could have gotten Ender killed on D3, and he nerfed the JOAT by not letting him get an alignment check. That’s game-throwing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
visor, any chance you can go over your baudib read in detail?
hmmQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
right now, probably not but ill try a cliffnotes versionQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
basically, baudib had some pretty decent posting d1 that while i didn't think was groundbreakingly villagery i did think was pretty reasonable and i didn't really have a lot to say about his posts because they were just consistently decent. over time i noticed that we were on the same wavelength a bunch and that combined with just strings of decent posting made me think hey hes probably just a villager. (he also posted a decent bit too which never hurts)
rn im worried that i made a misread by baudib aligning his play with mine and now that hes running out of room he has gotten increasingly emotive in attempting to direct the game
it's a casual game, who caresQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
liek i think in hindsight the biggest issue with baudibs posts is still the putting pzelda and ender in his wolf list d1 without either engaging with them or commentating on their play
it was sort of a right read for no effort type thing
where are you at on hiM?
Syn, you would have had a better chance letting me hammer at F3 tbh.
i really dont like his entrance today. it felt like he was trying to pocket you not be true to his readsQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
for something hopefully more productive
syn/baudib can you walk me through your dya read rn?
i mean it was definitely trying to set the tone/topic of the day either wayQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
what do you think of syns entrance/reply then, dya?
Honestly if we went with my plan to sleep/let me hammer, it would have been pretty close because Dya/Syn’s games actually mirror each other more than you might think. Ultimately if Dya’s the wolf we couldn’t get there because 3 villagers punted and the PR hard game-threw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
it's like with his pzelda/ender stuff though. he says things then tries to back out. he called them wolves, they tried to say ender was towny. He said pzelda was a wolf but didnt vote there. he's been saying I couldnt be a wolf all game. but now I should cross with syn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
i mean, it makes sense with his play all freaking game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
interesting way of thinking about it, good sirQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
there isn't really much to itQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
they're fine
nothing has pinged me as problematic or odd
decent interacting, believable disconnect and involvement
this is a... very weird postQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
but look at the posts today...interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
likeQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
you didn't ask to sleep or hammer
you demanded dya and i t-dome
and you say it's because we'd never find dya if they're a wolf?
what logic is this?
especially since he insinuated that it would only be because of gamethrowing if you couldnt find me and i were wolfingQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
I called out Ender for saying the Zelda wagon formed to save HK — that’s me pushing on both Zelda and Ender. Also I closed out Syn off his first two posts. Not sure what’s else you want for me. Lmao
yes, you did. but what did you do about it? you voted logic insteadQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
like it matters almost not at all you called ender out d1 because you didnt do anything about it. and later in the game you kind of soft defended him
It was 6-2 with ladd/Rask/Visor all pushing Zelda. I was looking for other wolves while having no intention of letting anyone save Zelda. I told people to go back to Zelda during the fake CFD.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
I freaking buried Ender.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
Did we really let Yolo twist in the wind when it was an auto test just for you not to listen to him at all?
listening to him doesnt mean i have to do as he saidQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
and no you didnt bury ender. syn and I did that
1. The wolf bussed
2. I don’t do any bussing, as a wolf
3. Most of my posts this game calling out Ender, TDoming with Ender and arguing against sentiment from people like SK and ladd for saying Ender couldn’t be a wolf because X/Y/Z.
But the argument is I didn’t bus Ender hard enough? Lol
is it really a bus if you dont vote him until he's mechanically outed?
I put him at 4-3, postcapped and then Ephe voted HK. If you’ll recall I spentQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
much of the day saying I didn’t want HK to go over.
so considering your post from yesterday indicating you might even vote visor before me, why did you come into the thread saying I should cross with syn?
I probably would vote visor over you at F3.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
I think I should clearly be given the hammer at F3 with you and Syn.
On D4 when I was still trying to post content it was clear that Syn was setting up to try to get me ML, and frankly your line that day was extremely similar - Yolo commented on this. So I would obviously re-evaluate and all and do due diligence at F3.
Syn spent 0 time trying to discern Yolo’s alignment and I was wondering if this was too lazy to be a wolf lol.
why should you "clearly be given the hammer" when both you and syn have expressed that i'm almost never a wolf here? why would that thought even occur to you, particularly considering that people have been considering your posts and votes and arent clearing youQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
Because the wolf line was to get me ML so I can clean up our equity by taking that line away. Yolo/Visor both have me as the most likely villager yesterday. The fact that Syn wasn’t aiming to ML you doesn’t really outweigh the arguments that I’m more clear than you IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
The argument that Dya is the wolf over Syn is pretty thin and it has to do with me and Syn dunking on Ender for talking about the NKs incriminating town core. I actually made fun of the NK for trying to “lmao spew ladd wolf” on D2 because Wisdom was voting him.
Dya didn’t really comment on this.
This is the main reason I felt Yolo was a mandatory yeet before any potential busser.
@Visor come back
NK analysis is almost never accurate. I put no stock in it everQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
Yeah fair enuf. I posted the relevant stuff on D4 when you said I shouldn’t be thinking about F3, go back and read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
The Wisdom kill was just transparent imo.
I find it here to believe this would be a difficult vote.
But I’m happy this game proves once again if I end up voting a wolf at EOD when they can reasonably be expected to die, I’m just always a villager. It’s really that simple.
whats upQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
idk what to do hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
you know baudib better than i do, does his thought process upon entering today make sense for you knowing his style?
frankly i have as much experience with him as you do basicallyQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
ive played turbos and mashes with him, idk if we ever played a normal with him, and i don't recall how he played in endgame scenarios or much at all
its been years since we've played together with any regularity, like 6 years lol
the one thing i will say is: i disliked his entrance today as the whole setting the way he wants the thread to be, as its a very pog wolf type thing to do, but i don't think it is necessarily out of line with how he has played this game?
i'll look over it more when i have actual time
its a very pog thing to demand the hammer, that much i remember
everyone regardless of alignment demanded the hammer/others crossed in f3 in turbos lol (well, some preferred to be voted, but still)
im gonna go get some sleep. hope to chat with you a bit tomorrow visor
nw, i should have more time tomorrow, today is just a v busy dayQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
i'll take a look over things tonight anyway
I think we’ve been in enough late-game situations in mashes where you should have a very good feel for my game with this many people left. Certainly I feel I have a good enough handle on your game that I feel comfortable with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Yolo is the one player who knows my wolf game better than anyone and it’s not close - Bopolis would be a distant second. He solved the game and he would want me to have hammer. I felt like you would too since you said I had the most villagery posts of anyone alive at F6.
Dya is hung up on this idea that I didn’t try to get the wolves killed when I clearly was all for lunching PZelda and the main thrust of my entire game was hating all of Ender’s posts and pushing against dumb arguments about why he doesn’t fit with Zelda or anyone. If Ephe keeps his vote on Ender and he goes over then I have the deciding vote and the idea I didn’t try to get him killed is blown out of the water.
The wolf games I linked are 1. I literally voted a villager every day and all my aggressive interactions are with Viggo/Panther 2. I called Yolo/turbo members of the “circle of town” on D1 and refused to even consider voting Yolo when Batman asked me.
for my own sanity, because right now we're about to lose to dyachei if they're a wolf
recent wolf game lines:
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I wish I knew how to read ender but I always get him wrong when I try
I also think pizza is firmly in both metas rn. He hasn't done anything I think is strictly villagery or strictly wolfy
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i wish I could explain why amy's tone is villagery to me in a way that makes sense to other people. bUt she's just kind of carefree here and i dont think she's putting pressure on herself to perform
etcQuote:
i basically dont remember anything hk has done this game and I think that's wolfy for him but I should have come to this realization with more than 5 mins to EOD
alright
reading over dyachei in their recent wolf game and i do still think that there are similarities in them (mostly tonal/stylistic ones that i don't feel like getting into), but a lot of that has happened just because of the baby and the change in dyas posting style
in this game they tend to have better posts in general, or rather, posts that are less responsive and more proactive and psots tend to hav a little more in depth thought put into them, which is how i used to read dya back in the day
its mostly the progression from post to post in the last few days that stand otu to me in the iso where dya is stringing thoughts together in a way that feels natural and less like thought. response. thought. response. dya as a wolf is somewhat robotic i think
i do still really like that ender sus post i highlighted yday, thats a post thats hard to make as a wolf unless you preplan it and i kind of doubt that a wolfteam of dya/ender preplans something like that
ladd and ephem both thought dya was a villager and i think i have to agree, their posting the last few days has just been v good and while i INCREDIBLY do not want to lose to dya-wolf again, my gut is telling me that dya is a villa and i should just ride with it (even thought it also makes me sick lol)
mate i have played hundreds and hundreds of games since we last played with any regularity, you and most of early pog are a blur to me, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
i remember you killing me in haters, i remember a turbo where i dumbly voted you over reddoboiler in f3, and uh... thats about it. you are that guy with the asian girl avatar to me in my mind lol
Visor, I’m a little disturbed that Dya is misrepping my game more than Syn is but it’s really hard to get there and I think Syn just TMId Dya town days ago when he telegraphed that he was going for me.
I eviscerated Ender and I did more than anyone to roflstomp his plan to create paranoia over the NKs into the ground.
Yolo agreed that I buried Ender, correctly found the solve that it’s a bussing game + cleared me.
FMPOV, D2-3 I have
SK telling me that Ender was absurdly townie, and I openly mocked him for this
Rask telling me he wanted me Ender and Syn to work together
Yolo interceding on Ender’s behalf and telling me he had fire reads while I was trying to TDome Ender.
These are confirmed towns who did not try to get Ender killed.
In spite of that, here I am on D3 saying I was officially against an HK lunch, and parked on Ender. The line that I’m a wolf who stated I was down to sheep ladd and then trolling ladd for thinking Ender was a villager makes no sense.
If I had hammer in F3 with Visor dead, the problem I have is that the broad strokes of Syn and Dya’s games are very similar. But Dya’s game has a lot more nuance and depth and free flow to it. Of course, they are a better player than Syn, so that has to be taken into account.
If I were to note something about Dya’s game that is different from what I remember, it’s asking for engagement multiple times, which is a little SPF wolf style. But it’s probably NAI for Dya? In any event Dya is still orders of magnitude more villagery than Syn.
From V!Dya’s pov, they see Syn having the same basic outline to their game and thinking it makes them villagery. That’s the impasse in the game atm.
this is sick revisionist historyQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
you genuinely do not have a choice since baudib and I already cross-votedQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
the moment this game stopped going your way, you've resorted to personal attacks with anyone who doesn't agree with youQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
it's kind of not very cash money
baudib is pretty clearly just trying to get on your good side and entertaining your thought process, which is funny because from his perspective the only choice is me as wolf. he agreed to this thunderdome. there should be no process on his end about determining dya's alignment. it doesn't matter. he's only doing it to sway you because it'll make him sound reasonable and like he's trying.
if he genuinely thinks the wolf isn't me, then the game is lost, and none of this matters. no casing matters. no discussing matters. it's over. he's simply trying to look good enough to get your vote.
a v/v cross-vote always loses here
the wolf doesn't need to care about the vote. a tie just gets randomized between us. a villager doesn't need to care about assessing dya's play.
you might say, but syn, couldn't they still vote sleep? two votes for sleep is more than your t-dome. and I would tell you, why would a wolf do that?
visor/dya town. baudib wolf. let's do it. or not. I'm not your dad
while taking a shower I realized I have no idea if votes are locked at mylo/lylo here
It’s actually literally what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
You should point out the times EOD1-2 when it looks like I have TMI, it’s pretty funny.
The path to actually having a theoretically correct Dya lunch was lost on D3. We should have HK or Yolo alive as a mech cleared town. If it’s HK it probably doesn’t matter. But if it’s YOLO as a mech-clear villager with a Syn-Dya solve, then we have a chance.
There’s still a good chance I would open snap Visor though.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
is eod tonight or tomorrow
tomorrow
great, I still have time to think about things (have an appointment at 6 and wouldnt have been back in time for EOD if it was tonight)
Syn: tell us about your Alison experiences.
My only game with Alison was on syndicate where we T/T and we?re both obvtown and were lead wagons most of D1. She got yeeted D2 because of borked mechanics and I got MK and mafia swept. Fun times
completely boomed me in game of champs 2021 on the syndicateQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
probably other games but that's the most memorable
i know but i wanted to do the work because if i had come to the conclusion that i thought dya was a wolf i wouldve spent the next whatever hours screaming in caps lock for you two to stop tunneling each otherQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
but i don't think dya is a wolf and if they are i blame ladd and this game never happened
This is boring.
what are your current thoughts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
im still workign through thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
right now im trying to judge how much i weigh my early game reads vs latter game posting
basically i think that baudib has probably made better posts than syn has throughout the game, hes just generally made posts with more meat to them and been able to explain his process in a more transparent manner
i do think his psots over the last couple days have been declinign in quality and i think that his posting in this phase specifically have been rough
on the other hand, i think syns posts have improved as the game had gone along, and while he isnt the same sort of player as baudib (or even you or i, in how he responds to games), i do get a sense of confidence and commitment to his read, whereas baudib as said earlier was like well dya couldve been a wolf etc
i think baudibs constant retelling of the yolo thing is whatever, i don't care about yolos thoughts (sorry yolo), i care about ladds and i care about ephemerals
i need to reread the game this afternoon, but im just trying to piece together my thoughts and where i stand because this is turnign otu to be like a 55/45 situation and im kinda shitting myself at the prospect of getting it wrong
VOTE TALLY
baudib1 1 Syn
Syn 1 baudib1
MAJ is in effect. The number is 3.
Night is a 7pm eastern on 2/17/23
where are you at
gun to your head rn where are you voting?