I didn't lie...Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
The one I mentioned works with the real detective. I shall not reveal the name here amongst mafiosi.
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I didn't lie...Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
The one I mentioned works with the real detective. I shall not reveal the name here amongst mafiosi.
WRONG. The FBI detective can find them. They may be, as Sigurd said, unlikely to find them, but that does not mean impossible. Therefore, Sigurd's statementQuote:
You cannot find a Don from an investigation, they show up as innocent.
is also wrong.Quote:
Whoever gave this FBI investigation on me must have it wrong,
LittleGrizzly:
1) I am sure Jimbob is pro-town after Glenn's information was revealed after his death.
2) Jimbob says Sigurd was investigated by the FBI detective.
3) The real FBI detective would contact Jimbob if he had been fed false information.
So I can be sure, yes.
Why do you go for DG over Sigurd, not even trying for a double lynch. And why do you bring out absurdities about being sure in a Capo mafia game, especially when it has been said the FBI detective investigated him?
Sigurd - if you were not lying then why was DG not blocked?
Question to Seamus:
Is this quote not evidence of vote editing and therefore automatic WoGing?
Crazed RabbitQuote:
Originally Posted by Hiji
Do tell, how is editing a post before there was a reply, several seconds after the original post, "vote editing"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
2 minutes, actually. But hey, I'm just asking Seamus.
CR
CR, you told me something as well about dutch_guy and it didn't happen either, so why is he still alive and why did Sigurd tell me before your PM that he applied to you kill dutch as he says here in the thread, but also says you refused him?
Why oh why did you also tell me certain other things which did not happen and why oh why does this all seem to add up to you being a manipulative Don?
You blaim Sigurd for giving you wrong info, yet you gave certaine people a lot more wrong info and may have simply lied.
I also lied to you about my protection business but that was because "we" already suspected you to be a don at that point and do not trust you. The fact that I work with Louis should be known by now as certain other townies couldn't keep their mouth shut but I still believe that Louis was working in the town's interest and that's also why he had to die.
I may come up with more in case any of you*********townies actually read my posts or decide to listen to me for once. :furious3:
Well I guess you are all set in your minds that I am a greater threat than Dutch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Don Corleone is obviously not alone.. I think someone established this (ajax?) hence he is not allowed to kill.
All though ... I have to admit there were a few lone killers lately so we can't completely rule it out.
You came to me last night CR and asked if I wanted to join a vigilante group, and when I said yes, you just shut that door in my face with: sorry, I can't help because I have other business.
Sasaki wanted me to join one of his protection groups and gave me names. I tried to contact them all but not all answered. I then asked about vig groups and Sasaki claimed they were not necessary.
I have contacted the blocker and he claimed he changed his orders. He can confirm or deny this.
Now I have to go.. the battery on my lap is dying and I have to get some sleep. More on this tomorrow.
Sigurd
LittleGrizzly:
1) I am sure Jimbob is pro-town after Glenn's information was revealed after his death.
I agree
2) Jimbob says Sigurd was investigated by the FBI detective.
As far as he nows...
3) The real FBI detective would contact Jimbob if he had been fed false information.
Is a good point but there is a chance they might not...
Sigurd is lying (unsurprisingly).
I asked him and some others if he could help. But everyone besides Sigurd couldn't help.
So I told him there wasn't enough people.
Huh, convenient. Why don't you send the name of the blocker to Jimbob?Quote:
I have contacted the blocker and he claimed he changed his orders. He can confirm or deny this.
CR
Are you one of those who ignore my posts or are my questions just too inconvenient, CR? :inquisitive:
I'll admit I don't know everything. Just a fraction of all the knowledge to be had in the world or even in this game.
So I could indeed have been wrong, but it was not through malice but human error.
CR
Sigurd have you made more of an effort than just contacting CR and Sasaki, if Sigurd is a potential threat give him a task to fail so we now he's guilty or do which would stop him doing any harm..
I find it incredulous Sigurd, masterful player that he is, could be this far in the game and not have a group of people he's working with, much less not even been a part of any group.
Also, he didn't contact me, I contacted him. Unfortunately no others besides Sigurd said they could help.
CR
As you surely recall from the last game he FBI detective could indeed find the Don. And that was in he last game. Jimbob mentioned that you'd been investigated twice hinting at a new feature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
As I recall from our pm conversation when I tried to get you to join a protection group you "promised nothing" and said it would "depend on the people". It that people who didn't show up were right up your ally.
I would like to post a correction to JimBob's list of mafia members. I was the one who gave him the evidence about TruePraetorian. That evidence was based on something that was written in the N6 write-up. Seamus has confirmed to me that he made an error in that part of the write-up. Accordingly, the reason I had to suspect TruePraetorian is invalid. I see no reason to believe that he is mafia and I consider him to be a trustworthy townie. Apologies for the confusion.
Some Comments:
The posting of screen shots or their use in private communication are always illegal, even of the thread itself -- except if you're posting a screenie SOLELY to me. I can screw up my own game, but I can't really cheat in it.
Griz' may have edited a vote -- CR, certainly seems to believe so -- which I have stated I would "wog" for. I am, as always, loathe to remove someone from play.
Edit what you will, but NOT the vote itself. Put any changes in a new post.
Just to clarify and make sure the wrong person doesn't get the WoG, CR is claiming that Hiji edited his vote, not LittleGrizzly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief is correct.
Crazed Rabbit
I will vote:abstain for now. i dont really mind if dg or Sig get lynched...but i doubt we can get a double..weve screwed up EVERY time so far...
I will also Select:JimBob for director..if we do get a double-lynch opportunity he is the only clear pro-town player..and we can be sure he will do the right thing.
There's been a lack of drame these last couple rounds. We need some controversy to fire things up a bit.
Actually it was little grizzly...what are you playing at GH? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I herd something about u.
Vote: Sigurd and Select: JimBob
I really hate to let Dutch_guy off yet another round, but if we can catch a Mafia Don we have to go for it.
I shall Select: JimBob before I forget. I didn't trust him before, but after Glenn's death, I think we can now.
Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:10 (Caius, Hiji,Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly)
Sigurd: 10 (Kag,Xehh II,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow, CowHead)
CR: 1 (shlin)
Abstain: 1 (Praetorian)
Director Tally:
Jimbob: 8 (Sasaki, Xehh II, Hiji, Scott, CR, Northnovas, TinCow, CA)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
EDIT: Fixed the tally
Select:Jimbob
I think the vote is good enough for now.
Caius hasn´t boldened his vote, IMHO it doesn´t count: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...11#post1838611Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
I´ll jump in his place.
vote: dutch guy
Select: JimBob
Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:10 (Hiji,Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly, Haudegen)
Sigurd: 10 (Kag,Xehh II,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow, CowHead)
CR: 1 (shlin)
Abstain: 1 (Praetorian)
Director Tally:
Jimbob: 8 (Sasaki, Xehh II, Hiji, Scott, CR, Northnovas, TinCow, CA)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Please check the tally again, to avoid disappointments later.
I almost forgot, Select:Jimbob. Known and trusted
CurrentTally:
Dutch Guy:10 (Hiji,Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly, Haudegen)
Sigurd: 10 (Kag,Xehh II,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow, CowHead)
CR: 1 (shlin)
Abstain: 1 (Praetorian)
Director Tally:
Jimbob: 10 (Sasaki, Xehh II, Hiji, Scott, CR, Northnovas, TinCow, CA, Haudegen ,Sarathos)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Haudegen - We should put Sigurd ahead on the tally. Especially since Caius' vote may count.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
Don't tie the vote up - lynch Sigurd. Get him at least several votes ahead.
CR
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Bolding a vote seems to be essential, regarding what Seamus wrote after the last day phase. Anyway I have pmed Seamus about this question, just to be sure.Quote:
4. Explanation Part Two: Having reviewed my rules, as well as the customs of the Gameroom, I am forced to list Sarathos’ vote for Xdeathfire in post #2065 as a valid vote. That post, which even noted a reason valid within the context of the then-current discussion to support that vote, was properly bolded, formatted, and never subsequently changed. Despite his own protestation that his first vote had been for Dutch_guy (see post #2076) which was correct, the Capo rules do not invalidate any vote that fails to use the “unvote” format and the customs of the Gameroom and of this game have been to accept a change of vote merely by the imposition of a properly bolded vote for a new name. Once properly listed I will count it until changed -- even if ill considered. This produces the count above.
Even if we get only one of them at the end, it´d be ok, IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I´m hoping for some townies to prevent any sabotages, that are likely to come from Dutch guy or Sigurd. I for one won´t be online when the phase ends. But some of our noble townies hopefully will be.
And with a two way tie, there will be less confusion than last time.
I say we put sigurd 1 vote ahead...he can tie it if he wants to :) and his partners can save him by voting dutch guy if they wish...they'd reveal themselves in the process though. Ideally someone will be around at deadline to make sure it stays a tie though.
Sounds good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
unvote dutch guy
Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:9 (Hiji,Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly)
Sigurd: 10 (Kag,Xehh II,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow, CowHead)
CR: 1 (shlin)
Abstain: 1 (Praetorian)
Mafia status as of N6:
--Stracchi. Don: Omanes A. (dead), Luca: Dutch Guy, Made: Andres (dead), Former associated wise guy: LouisVI, associated wise guy or made: Tran (according to Louis, Omanes, and JimBob). Calling Card: Pink ballet slippers. Victims: Drisos (detective, N1), Pannonian (wise guy, N3), Motep (N5), Louis VI (N6), attempted hits on GH (N2, N3) and Proletariat (N4, possible Don).
--Corleone. Don: Sigurd (according to JimBob's contacts), Luca: Unknown, Made: Tiberius of the Drake (dead), several unknown associated wise guys. Calling Card: Weather balloons and religious paraphernalia. Victims: Glenn (crusader?, N3), Beefy (townie, N3), The Stranger (townie, N3), GH (N4, wise guy), attempted hits on Glenn (N2) and Proletariat (N4, N5, N6?, possible Don).
--Tataglia. Family member: Makayane (according to JimBob's contacts)
--Barzini.
--Cunnio.
Yellow rose group (whichever family it may be). Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any unknown. Calling Card: Yellow rose and a preference for explosives. Victims: Zorg (wise guy, N3), Moros (N4, wise guy or wolf-type character), Lt. Pinard (N6), possible attempted hit on Proletariat (N4).
Italian Destiny group (whichever family it may be). Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any unknown. Calling Card: an Italian phrase (destiny is inexorable). Victims: Kamikhaan (N5), ajaxfetish (N6).
Other possible calling cards: A black rose was left with Chimpyang's corpse (N5). A white rose was dropped by CR's attempted assailant (N6).
The Stracchi's managed additional hits nights 5 and 6, with both Omanes and Andres dead. I'm assuming Dutch Guy was one of the killers, but he'd need an accomplice, so it's likely Tran is in action along with DG. Louis is clearly not acting in conjunction with the remnants of the family (as they offed him night 6).
Tonight it seems the Corleone's were either inactive (shocker!) or were responsible only for the attempted hit on Prole (as syringes were involved). Might some of their members have been victims in recent nights?
The Tataglia have responded to the Corleones' call for truce, according to TosaInu's second relayed communication.
Omanes suspected Sigurd to be the don of the Barzinis, JimBob is sure he is the don of the Corleones.
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Musings:
xdeathfire and twilightblade have both fled to the police immediately after being attacked (xdeath on N1, twilight on N5). They may have a similar role, and this action would seem to suggest it's a pro-town one.
Lone killers with calling cards or consistent modi operandi
--.577 Webley. A rogue killer of unknown motivation. A single individual using the same weapon shot both Kommodus (N4, luca) and Woad&Fangs (N5).
--King of Hearts. Another lone killer is operating, using knives and leaving King of Hearts playing cards. He participated in killing Woad & Fangs (N5) and Louis VI (N6). In both cases he was not the only killer involved (the .577 Webley guy also targeted Kommodus and the Stracchis also targeted Louis), yet in both cases each of the killers seemed surprised the other was there. This knife wielder has left the words 'dead rat' and 'traitor' on the cards he has left behind, so may be a mafia-aligned character whose objective is killing those who turn on the mafia from within. This is clearly the case for Louis, though Kommodus story is less clear. There is nothing I know of publicly to suggest Kommodus has betrayed his family. However, Sasaki has had access to mafia investigation results (until recently, it seems) and it has been stated in the thread that Kommodus hates playing mafia. Could he have been passing on his family's investigation results to Sasaki? If he were discovered doing so it would explain his killing as a mafia traitor, and his death would explain Sasaki's lack of recent investigation results. Would Sasaki care to confirm or deny this hypothesis?
CR's attack sounded like an attempted mafia hit, but with only one member getting in their orders on time.
Prole continues to be defended by a single individual (either a luca facing relentless but futile attempts on her life or a doctor who's found a seemingly-guaranteed target with which to achieve surgeon status).
Craterus also seemed to be defended by a single individual (I don't know if he had enough public likelihood of attack to justify a doctor's attention) and attacked by two (possibly a mafia group whose calling card just wasn't found).
Society for Creative Anachronism. The medieval connection here is getting weirder and weirder. First we have our holy trio (now down to just our director JimBob), then the Corleones take up religious themes in their killings, and now we have unknown dudes in full crusader getup killing people in the streets. Both a collection of 4 with black crosses and a lone gunman with a red cross targeted FactionHeir. They seemed not to be acting together, but the coincidence of two independent groups targeting the same victim and choosing to wear late medieval religiously-themed military costume is a little overwhelming. What's up with this kill?
My own death. Well, I lasted 6 nights in this my first mafia game, only to fall victim to the Italian Destiny group, whichever family it may be. I was pro-town, but I see no special reason why I was targeted. My night activity was lacklustre at best and my only significant contribution by day (besides voting) is summarizing the nights events and what we seem to know about the mafia families as of yet. This I can do whether I'm alive or dead. Perhaps I was just an easy kill as I seemed likely to be pro-town and unlikely to be protected. :shrug: Anyhow, it's a shame my trusty radio had to die with me, but good luck to my surviving neighbors. May the Fatlington mafia enjoy the cold sleep of the grave.
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Post-mortem results:
10 pro-town
Townie: Lord Winter, Beefy, taka, the Stranger, FahadI, killfr3nzy, Sapi, Xiahou
Detective: Drisos
Crusader?: Glenn
7 neutral
Wise Guy: Pevergreen, Hannibal, Pannonian, Zorg, GH, x-Danger, Moros (though Moros may be an unaffiliated mafia member)
3 mafia
Made: Tiberius (Corleone)
Luca: Kommodus (family unknown)
Don: Omanes (Stracchi)
Ajax
Dons can actually kill in vigilante groups while their family is still alive. They can also protect in these groups, although they have no protection value.
e.g. Don, T1 and T2 protect a player, Don is not counted as being involved so the group techincally only has two players in it.
I would advise going after Sigurd and/or Mayanakane. JimBob seems to be a trustworthy indvidual, so I see no reason for him to lie about this. After they are dead we can see how truthful he is being.
Thanks for the advice confirmed ex. Don, Omanes, I'm sure we all trust you......Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites
I'm somewhat confused by all this as I'd just decided I did trust JimBob, and he now seems to be passing some rather dodgy 'reveals' around! It's already been shown that the result on TP wasn't actually a result but a mistaken interpretation of the story thread. And I'd just like to know IF there was a detective result on me saying 'guilty mafioso' from N3, why is it only getting revealed now - by strange coincidence the day after I vote to lynch Don Sasaki (with his oh so helpful Made) in this thread?
I still think JimBob is genuinely trying to be pro-town, but I'm worried he's been got at by some dodgy advisors.
(I can't claim I'd be a great loss to the town - no special role BS to dazzle you with - but if you are going to lynch me could someone at least spell my :daisy: name right?)
Are you sure? Seamus clearly said otherwise:Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites
I´m sure Seamus didn´t tell the whole story about Dons here. But I don´t think he would blatantly lie.Quote:
A Don normally cannot kill opponents during a “night” phase, and must work through others. Normally, however, they appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective or made, so they can camouflage themselves well. Even the FBI detective is unlikely to spot them. If the Don has lost all the other members of her/his family, they may perform 1 kill per “night” phase.
Omanes is dead. He cannot reveal any of the info that was in his pm.
However, if he would be lying, he isn't technically revealing.
Omanes would never break the rules of a game.
Draw your own conclusions.
PROLETARIAT
Is in no way providing an explanation for her constant, inpenetrable protection!
She is not even showing surprise at her brilliant luck!
Now, we KNOW that for the first few rounds she was constantly trying to lynch people who are now confirmed innocents.
GeneralHankerchief being one of them.
I don't like accusing someone of being a Don simply because they had only one protector - but if anyone were to be a don, it would be;
PROLETARIAT
On a simpler note - I was right about Kommodus!
Oh, I told you all to be careful, but ooooooooh no, no Kommodus has Holmes!
Kommodus would never be Mafia, Kommodus HATES being Mafia, besides, Holmes can only be used to detect Mafia!
Mafia wouldn't detect themselves now would they Glenn?
Nooooooooo.
Perhaps I wasn't simply accusing everyone of everything.
----
Oh, and just so everyone can be sure - some Mafia might like to dress up in Mediaeval style - but they are in no way Crusaders..
But I am grateful for the death of FactionHeir.
I would like to say a warm, "I hope you burn", to Faction Heir.
I will not go down without at least a little fight.
When contacting Sasaki, he gave me these names for me to work with.
Kamikhaan
Cowhead
Hiji
Kamikhaan and Cowhead both confirmed that they worked with Sasaki.
I expressed my concern that the town was falling quick behind in the effort of getting rid of the mafia and basically asked if he had any vig groups. He said that he didn’t think it would be a point to vigging.
I thanked him for turning me out gently and made a point of contacting the lurkers and try to organise something myself. This was about 20:52 - Sasaki read it 21:36 (All times in GMT+1)
Then I get a pm from CR at 21:41 asking me if I wanted to join a vig group on Dutch.
I accepted. There were a few exchanges of pms but it resulted in CR claiming he hadn’t been able to organise a thing and was sorry he couldn’t be of more help.
This last pm was sent to me at 03:44 and I didn’t read it (I was asleep) until it was too late to organise the lurkers.
What my thoughts are right now on what transpired? I believe Sasaki and CR prevented me from organising vig teams on my own. They clearly saw me as a major threat and cooked up some story to get me lynched.
I am asking you JimBob, do you trust your informant is a FBI agent? CR made a point that the real FBI agent would have contacted him. Well this FBI agent could be dead and hence not able to confirm or invalidate this claim.
Another point Jimbob… Do you have contact with the other detective? The one who got a criminal read on GH?
Vote:Crazed Rabbit
I know I am not Don Corleone and therefore vote the one person who aggressively claim this.
He claims I lie, but there is no difference in my explanation than his. We both agree that he contacted me, I said that I knew someone would block Dutch which is the truth. That he didn't is another matter all together.
So basically Sigurd, you just named Sasaki's town group for your mafia buddies to kill in the next night phase. To the extent of my knowledge (which isn't very far mind you) Sasaki has been proven innocent and didn't he go rogue detective? So I don't see the point of naming any names unless its the name of a proven Don, a.k.a. you
They could very well be mafiosi to my knowledge and should be revealed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
If I was Don.. I would have known the identities of them and had them on my target list anyway.
Scummy post Sarathos. Why did you vote Xdeath last round?
Not sure about the rest of the post, but I agree here, Makanyane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Makanyane
Well, he actually asked me whether I knew some people for such an action but I declined, I thought he would likely find them elsewhere but apparently he couldn't. I would now rate this story as neutral as both your versions make sense and are consistent with our PMing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Could be true or not, hard to say, but somewhat undermined by the fact CR asked me whether I knew someone for the vigilante group you wanted to set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Now that is a very important question, a bit more in the form of evidence instead of a list with some hearsay on it would be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Apart from that, I'll
Vote: dutch_guy
Any reason for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Hmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
So you are basically forgoing your initial suspicion of him being a Don?
What about the apparent Saski - CR connection?
There are somthing fishy going on there. Not to mention yet another claim that I might be a Don from someone obviously trusted in the ranks of JimBob. First Barzini now Corleone. I might go the round of all families before the end of this game.
Am I so little trustworthy?
And CR's statement that it can't be right that I haven't worked up an organisation because I am an experienced player, is pure Argumentum antiquitatem.
Could you elaborate a bit more on that? From what you have written, I gather that you are disappointed you couldn´t form a team with them during night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Is that all?
Griz' may have edited a vote -- CR, certainly seems to believe so -- which I have stated I would "wog" for. I am, as always, loathe to remove someone from play.
Nowhere before this post does CR say i may have edited my vote, he questions me on my vote but doesn't even say the word edit...
Edit what you will, but NOT the vote itself. Put any changes in a new post.
I have not edited a single vote post
Just to clarify and make sure the wrong person doesn't get the WoG, CR is claiming that Hiji edited his vote, not LittleGrizzly.
this is correct,
my voting post
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=2226
notice the lack of any edit on that post, feel free to double check with any magnifying glasses you have handy...
Hiji's voting post
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=2230
notice the edit at the end
CR post about vote editing
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=2233
Notice the way he says Hiji in the first line and then has a qoute from Hiji
Now i don't want to get Hiji wog'd but there seems to be a bit of confusion here
In these 3 posts they discuss the editing
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=2242
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=2243
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=2244
Actually it was little grizzly...what are you playing at GH?
Is this a reason to suspect sasaki or just a simple mistake ?
Sigurd
I have contacted the blocker and he claimed he changed his orders. He can confirm or deny this.
I have heard something about a blocker (memory fails me) so this part sigurd is not nessecarily making up, doesn't prove his innocence though..
Im am starting to become suspicious of CR, he seems absolutley sure of Sigurds guilt, leading the charge against whereas all ive heard is a suspected pro-town (jimbob) had investigation results on him, could the source of the results and the campaign against Sigurd be the mafia's doing ?
Im not saying this is true, but this is why im voting for DutchGuy i made the mistake earlier in the game of voting for someone i suspected less than the candidiate with the most votes (trying for a multi lynch) so this time i wanted to make sure DutchGuy dies.
Sorry about the double post but you've all got me slightly paranoid about editing my posts now
(addressing this to glenn's post on prole)
On the constant attacks on prole
Is this a reason to suspect prole ?
do you think this a vig group trying to kill prole ?
Is this mafia trying to kill other mafia despite the supposed mafia truce ?
TBH i would have thought that being attacked indicates town more than mafia, what do you think ?
If there is a vigilante group trying to take prole out come forward now and give your reasons, if she is important enough to attack twice on N4 and then a seperate attack on N5 and N6 then you must something fairly concrete ?
Sasaki, CR even confirmed that it was Hiji. My question is: What are you playing at? :inquisitive:
I haven't got more than that I pestered Sasaki about putting a vig group togehter for Dutch and then a few minutes later out of the blue CR contacted me asking if I wanted in on a vig group for Dutch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
I don't believe in thought transfers so I call it a connection. Sasaki must have put word to CR about my interest.
Hmm, I think it´s not necessarily scummy if Sasaki tries to bring people together for night actions. Or did you turn down other opportunities because of CR and Sasaki?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
And CR informed you ~ 12 hours before the phase´s end that he couldn´t find enough people for the team (03:44 GMT +1). That´s not too bad. I have personally seen team efforts end up much worse in this game. I don´t believe that they intentionally tried to waste your night action. If that were the case, CR would have kept you waiting 8 or 10 hours longer.
Ok, another piece of a dead man's advice...
Trust Sasaki, Louis and Jimbob...
Dutch needs to die soon, still.. though sigurd may be the best choice for now. Get those vig kills going! they also reveal more mafiosi that are trying to sabotage them (truepraetorian for instance.. for me he was confirmed mafia after getting a 2nd acc and telling it was his brother's, and using it to pm people.. yeah right.. townies don't do the stuff)
anyway.. can we have a good discussion about what is and isn't allowed after death? Seems like Andres is allowing his own irritating behaviour, but trying to kick any info that might help town out because he is on mafia side.. I don't like the situation.
edit: btw Sigurd, why are you lurking, and jump up and start accusing people again when you are in danger of begin lynched?
You bring valid points...Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
But I didn't log back on to the game until 2 hours before the deadline and wouldn't been able to organise anything. CR knows this is the case for us GMT+1, you can't send crucial info smack in the middle of the night and expect us to read them. Husar has come forward and redeemed CR somewhat in this regard.
I'd like to keep my vote on him anyhow, beacuse of what Louis claimed just after the results N6. Remember the line Sasaki put forward about drama (intentional)? A little drama to drown Louis' last dying words.. Words he had to edit.
Finally:
Why was there two investigations on me? both turned up as guilty don. Why waste an investigation that could have uncovered another don? This stinks mafia tactics all through.
I am confident that the FBI agent that supplied Jimbob with investigations is no other than a member of one of the families, maybe a Corleone.
Finally:
Why was there two investigations on me? both turned up as guilty don. Why waste an investigation that could have uncovered another don? This stinks mafia tactics all through.
iirc, the first result came back unclear so a second investigation is entirely reasonable
Ok, another piece of a dead man's advice...
Trust Sasaki, Louis and Jimbob...
im pretty sure jimbob's innocent, im fairly sure about louis but i remain unsure about sasaki, can you gaurentee his innocence ? or do you just think he's innocent ?
Wow, a lot has happened.
My thoughts on JimBob's reveal.
I trust Jimbob. This secret society might have it's own special victory conditions, but I think at the moment his plans are pro-town.
However, I'd like Jimbob to comment on the trustworthiness of his source, in particular the FBI detective. How confident are you that the FBI detective is not a Made?
However, the chance to lynch a Don is too good to pass up. So I'll leave the vote as it is.
Vote: Abstain
Select: Jimbob
Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:9 (Hiji,Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly)
Sigurd: 10 (Kag,Xehh II,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow, CowHead)
CR: 1 (shlin)
Abstain: 1 (Praetorian)
Where did Jimbob say both investigations turned up as a don? If I remember correctly from last game, didn't the FBI agent get some sort of bonus for investigating twice?Quote:
Why was there two investigations on me? both turned up as guilty don. Why waste an investigation that could have uncovered another don? This stinks mafia tactics all through.
I am confident that the FBI agent that supplied Jimbob with investigations is no other than a member of one of the families, maybe a Corleone.
Also, I fail to see how me contacting you to try to organize a group makes me guilty. I prevented you from joining any groups?
Sheesh. Come on Sigurd, give yourself more credit than that.
CR
I can't say since I dropped out early in Capo I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Well... I wasn't able to organise a group because of it and I am not so hung up on that anymore... but I thought it suspicious that you contacted me minutes after my final pm exchange with Sasaki.Quote:
Also, I fail to see how me contacting you to try to organize a group makes me guilty. I prevented you from joining any groups?
Sheesh. Come on Sigurd, give yourself more credit than that.
CR
Someone has wispered in my ear that the FBI investigation is bogus.
And the timing fits... Dutch and CR for the lynch after Louis' revelation. Then BOOM two investigations (in a row?) concluding that I am Don Corleone. Everybody falls head over heals to vote on this new and confirmed evidence forgetting what transpired just after the write up for night 6.
Dutch is guilty, 100% fact. Would like to watch this Sigurd episode unfold a little further, no sense in lynching someone who's suspicious while we have a bona fide mafioso getting away with literally murder every single night.
Vote: Dutch Guy
Tally coming
edit: spelling
Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:10 (Hiji,Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly, Prole)
Sigurd: 10 (Kag,Xehh II,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow, CowHead)
CR: 1 (shlin)
Abstain: 1 (Praetorian)
Well, you'll probably won't believe me, but I think that last tally is wrong.
Where did it go wrong? I used Myrd's and added my vote creating a tie.
:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax
Add this:
:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
And where is Myrd's vote in his own tally?
Oops! I'm not here....
my vote is not on it
I voted abstain.Quote:
And where is Myrd's vote in his own tally?
Oops! I'm not here....
Also, I just copied the last tally in the thread. I didn't count myself.
EDIT: Ah I see, I didn't realise that abstain votes were being tallied. Oops.
Sigurd - regarding Louis 'revelation' - last he posted he was backing off of that, saying I wasn't a don. And since I've been found innocent, then that means I'm not a member of the mafia.
Dutch Guy:12 (Hiji,Craterus, Mak, Husar, BKS, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly, Prole)
Sigurd: 10 (Kag,Xehh II,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow, CowHead)
CR: 1 (shlin)
Abstain: 1 (Praetorian)
So if Prole votes Sigurd we tie it up.
CR
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=2231
this is my vote where I vote FOR DUTCH GUY!
In which case:
EDIT: I forgot to unvote:
Unvote: Abstain
End of Edit.
Vote: Sigurd
Using CR's Tally:
Dutch Guy:13 (Hiji,Craterus, Mak, Husar, BKS, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly, Prole, Joe Monks)
Sigurd: 11 (Kag,Xehh II,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow, CowHead, Myrddraal)
CR: 1 (shlin)
Abstain: 1 (Praetorian)
I agree with Prole: Sigurd is suspicious, but first things first; let's finally nuke the Straachi's and get that known killer off our streets.
vote: Dutch_Guy
select: JimBob
let's keep him protected a couple more days while he does the town's work with his detective group.
Tally later, after I comb over all votes since d7 started.
When does the phase end?
13:00 EST, or 18:00 GMT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
New Tally
Dutch Guy:14 (Hiji,Craterus, Mak, KukriKhan, Husar, BKS, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly, Prole, Joe Monks)
Sigurd: 11 (Kag,Xehh II,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow, CowHead, Myrddraal)
CR: 1 (shlin)
Abstain: 1 (Praetorian)
CR
Interesting. Look at the list of people voting for dutch guy (and keep sigurd out of it)
Some of the others are questionable as well...Quote:
Dutch Guy:14 (Hiji,Craterus, Mak, KukriKhan, Husar, BKS, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly, Prole, Joe Monks)
And Sigurd, what is your defense exactly? The FBI detective isn't an FBI detective? Your innocent because me and CR pm'd you on the same day? That when I supplied you with the names of people who were looking for a group I was trying to prevent you from forming a group? What were you doing on all the nights previous?
So, you've changed your mind on Dutch_Guy since here?
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DG and tran are still going to have to be priority unless they die tonight.
hmm gosh that's suspicious of me, can't think what made decide that sigurd was a priority instead...wait a minute I seem to remember something about an FBI detective saying something about a mafia don... ~;)
Not suspicious, just inconsistent.
Comparing an alleged FBI detective's report to a self-admitted killer of an almost-but-not-yet decimated mafia family... I agree Sigurd merits suspicion, but, IMO ridding our streets of a killer who will kill again tonight is a higher-priority action. Even if Sigurd is a Don, he won't personally kill tonight.
Ridding yourself of the last remaining mafiosi of a nearly defeated family vs. ridding yourself of the Don of a family that is able to perform multiple hits each night.
I know I'm biased, but if I were town, I would know who to vote :shrug:
What more do you need? A confirmed pro town player (Jimbob) who gives you the FBI DETECTIVE'S RESULTS on several mafia family members, including a Don, yet you guys keep focusing on the lonely survivor of a defeated family :inquisitive:
No pressure whatsoever on any of the suspects named by Jimbob, except for Sigurd :inquisitive:
What is this? Where are the townies in this game?
Get with the Fatlington townie program, Kukri. It's a tradition since something like N2 to lynch suspicious players while confirmed mafia roams freely.
:laugh4: :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Poor Sasaki. All this effort to find more mafia and lynch them, yet the majority of the townies (?) prefer to focus on the only family that matters in this game:
:belly: The Stracci stars! :belly:
Is this some moderator-only page or so? :laugh4:
Still wondering what Glenn meant by his last message...
Oh, and what can a dead person still do and say?
hmmmm ..... Unclear result from FBI on Ichigo? http://rbrally.gamenavigator.ru/foru...lies/think.gif
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The investigation will list the individual as innocent (Townie, Don), criminal (Luca, Made not killing, Wise Guy not having killed at all, and some townies), or guilty