Hey Dhampir, check post #42. I had company and couldn't use the internet for a few days.
Just in case you missed it.
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Hey Dhampir, check post #42. I had company and couldn't use the internet for a few days.
Just in case you missed it.
I did miss it.~:0Quote:
Originally Posted by lobf
Given a possible spread into Persia, as opposed to Europe, I wonder if Christianity would have survived Islam.
*shrug* Why not ? Zoroastrianism did, anyway. As did assorted local brands of Christianity.
Yes, English IS directly descendant of Old English, a German language which looks more foreign than it sounds. And believe me, Old English has .001% Latin in it, other than the script/alphabet and cultural influence of literacy. Norman military conquest and temporary culture did more than anything to add Latin and the original Germanic words were still retained: I say Swine! take your Pork elsewhere ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by alatar
For instance, fast in "Hold Fast" is not Latin, and exists in modern German as fest without much change of meaning whatsoever, just like Go-er is widespread in Germanic languages. That's pretty damn direct descendence.
I couldn't agree more. Anyone who thinks that location by itself has the greatest affect on language and knowledge of the history of that people independent of study/education [through osmosis then?] really drives me insane- as if a random ignorant person from the country naturally retains any quality from that places' ancestors- hahahah- keep dreaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dhampir
The evolution of English has caused it to form a unique place on the Germanic tree, but it is certainly no less Germanic. Anyone who studies the different forms of Germanic can appreciate how interrelated it all is. Fun stuff. Glad to hear there is someone else out there who knows and enjoys it, Dhampir ~:)
What I meant by Germanic roots of French/Italian/Spanish was that these people are in practice Franks/Lombardi/Visigoths Etc...So the sceleton and the deep bone of these languages is Germanic...
OMG! i cant dare to reply to theese, ok, so Spanish are Arabs! Italian are Spanish! Greeeks are Turks and Slavs...Quote:
Originally Posted by hellenes
this is an invasion of the evil creatures from mars... help help HELP!
im dying... uhm:skull: :skull: :skull:
Do you actually know any of these languages (French, Italian, Spanish), including Latin and some other Germanic language apart from English? If you do, sorry, your skills in comparative linguistics seem rather limited :PQuote:
Originally Posted by hellenes
Also FYI, there are probably millions of people of non European descent, African Americans being a notable group, who speak a Germanic language (English) as their native language, without probably having a droplet of Germanic blood in their veins... This argument of your's hold no water at all, descent, race etc have nothing to do with linguistic origins.
P.S.:I know French, Italian, Latin, have a working knowledge of Spanish, and I am quite fluent in German btw, so I have some idea what I am talking about, I don't mention all this in order to brag, its nothing to brag about anyway...
I'm still talking about vocabulary, which may have lead to confusion.
I fail to see where we disagree, (if you thought I was saying English was not germanic in origin, you would of course disagree).
What I meant was in terms of words used, english has much more germanic words than say, Italian (and of course in other ways).
I disagree that 0.01% of english is dervied from latin (weather directly or indirectly, though other languages).
And my original post was simply saying that Italian and French and English were not German in Latin clothes.
This was the post I was talking about,
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the core of French/Italian/English is GERMAN...with the latin sauce on top...
2 Things:Quote:
Originally Posted by hellenes
1)Languages have very little to do with the people who speak them.
2)The German "invaders" were actually quite small in numbers compared to the entire population they controlled. After some centuries there must have been such a mixing between the overlords and their minions that it was hardly possible to distinguish them as two different tribes.
That said the basis of Italian/Spanish or French is Latin, just as the base for Dutch, German or English is Germanic. With English it has a lot of french(latin) words added to the juice thanks to theromansnormans. This is also partially true for Dutch.
@Hellenes
Italian, French Spanish language backbone (using your words) is Latin. The grammar, the regles, the sintax the most part of their vocabulary etc. There are some germanic origin words in this languages, but they are not a lot.
Part of germanic words are related to armaments, for example Guerra (italian), Guerre (french), same as english (germanic) War. But often those language still keep the latin form in some way, for example italian Bellico (adjectiv related to war). Some ancient words are still used in litterature, as example italian Pugnare, Pugnando, Pugnace etc.
As i already sayd the classic latin is just a form of latin "photographed" in a given temporal frame, and this is still not completely true, cause every form of language who become "classic" (i did also the example of chinese wenyen) has also a tendency to become sort of standardized, this means that it can be seen as a sort of Artificial litteraly language, from philosophy to poetry. The same in some way as the Scholastic Latin in the Middle Age.
i just dont comment on the Visigoth/Franks/Longobards things. It would take a whole new thread full of people (with your same behaviour) coming about arabs, slavs, turks, mongols, macedonians, martians, and company...
@Alatar
regarding the english thing. i thing the poster of the 0.01% thing, was referring to the words that were "directly/straight" taken by latin. But actual English, with the Normans, with the Reinassence etc. has a huge quantity of Latin words (dont forget that the Reinassence period see a new big quantity of freshly forged latin words in the European languages, and greek too, and this is true also for German/English etc.). And it is true that it still keep the germanic origin equivalent. Often the germani is used as informal, and the latinate is used as formal, or there is a different use between the two words.
That makes more sense:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Obelics