Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
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Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax
I know he's 74, so it doesn't really matter that much, but does that seem a bit of a light sentence, or is it just me?
That's the problem; there are no law against "locking your daughter up for 24 years and abusing her sexually". Who would have thought of people doing such things?
So the best we've got is a rape-charge... Although, he might be charged with murder due to the twin who died, since he kept him away from proper medical assistance. Also, he may be charged with murder if the 19-year old who is in the hospital now dies.
EDIT: Dang, beaten by Adrian
05-01-2008, 23:03
KrooK
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
Hmm I wonder what jail sentence he could be given.
Does anybody know Austrian penal code?
Here it would given be not more than 15 years in total.
05-01-2008, 23:36
Rhyfelwyr
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
Apparently he boasted to a neighbour that his house "would go down in history". And there was footage of him at some Christmas celebration or something. Apparently he ran his house like a dictatorship, and had a system to release poisonous gas if his prisoners tried to escape.
05-03-2008, 12:30
Adrian II
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
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Originally Posted by Caledonian Rhyfelwyr
Apparently he ran his house like a dictatorship, and had a system to release poisonous gas if his prisoners tried to escape.
This thing is getting more and more bizarre. Apparently neighbours and visitors were aware of what went on in the house. It even appears that daughter Elisabeth once escaped to Vienna, but the police brought her back.
Come again?... :dizzy2:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
The Times
May 3, 2008
A lodger who once lived in Josef Fritzl’s House of Horrors claimed yesterday that he had known that the Austrian electrician was sexually abusing his daughter Elisabeth.
Sepp Leitner, who lived in Mr Fritzl’s house for four years in the early 1980s, said in a television interview that a female neighbour had told him that her friend Elisabeth had been raped by her father.
According to Mr Leitner, the neighbour even helped Elisabeth to run away to Vienna but the teenager was tracked down by police and brought back to Amstetten at her father’s behest. “Elisabeth was repeatedly raped by her father. She could not take it to live at home anymore and tried to escape,” Mr Leitner told the Austrian private television channel ATV.
“She had taken sleeping pills and went to Vienna. But the police found her and they, or her father, brought her back home.” Mr Leitner did not explain why he and the unnamed neighbour failed to alert the police about Elisabeth’s plight, though he hinted darkly at their fear of the landlord’s “revenge”. Mr Leitner said that he was still tormented by nightmares.
The Fritzl home in Amstetten is full of mysteries. It is a physical labyrinth that mirrors the convoluted plans, frustrations and desires inside Mr Fritzl’s mind. Sausage, fresh milk and cheese, for example, would disappear overnight from the fridges of the tenants rather as if the little people from The Borrowers were foraging for titbits.
The real reason was that Mr Fritzl would use his master key to slip into the tenants’ flats to pilfer provisions for Elisabeth and their three children. That was on the days when he did not have time for a shopping expedition. “I took care of them all,” Mr Frizl told police in his first (and only) interrogation. “I meant well.”
The rest of the family probably sees things differently. This man stole the childhood of at least three of his children – one of whom is still fighting for her life in hospital – lied to and manipulated the others, and raped and humilated his own daughter for a quarter of a century.
The sheer relief of the reunited Fritzl family, sheltered in a clinic, tells its own story: they have all been living in fear, and that fear is now subsiding. Mr Fritzl’s dark, hidden life seems to have been – in his mind alone – steered by a twisted love for his daughter Elisabeth, whom he called Liesel.
He started to abuse her when she was 11, in 1977. She was a pale, proud red-haired girl, the only child not to bow to her father’s snarling, changing moods. Her elder siblings kept their heads down, vowed to get married and leave the house as quickly as possible.
Their mother, Rosemarie, seemed not to notice that there was something odd in the tense, bickering relationship. The following year Mr Fritzl successfully sought building permission to extend his cellar and make a bunker that could resist nuclear fallout. Was there already a plan to imprison his daughter?
Elisabeth started to run away from home – once to Vienna, as the lodger suggests – and was beaten when she returned. At 16 she left home to work as a waitress and live in a hostel. Either because he was afraid of her betraying the sex secret, or because he couldn’t stand to lose her, Mr Fritzl decided that she should disappear. The calculating part of the Fritzl mind came again into play: he waited until she was 18 before drugging and handcuffing her. At this age she became just another adult missing person.
The abduction seems then to have been about control – breaking the will of a daughter who defied him. Mr Fritzl had reportedly raped before but sexual possession appears to have been only part of the equation. Part of him became engrossed in the mechanics of deception. Most of his ruses would not have worked in other societies but were enough to fool the Austrian bureaucracy.
He persuaded the community that Elisabeth had joined a Satanic sect and that over a decade she had dumped three children on his doorstep. When asked about her he would shrug and say that Interpol was on the case. “When Elisabeth’s third child was laid at the door we asked Sepp [Fritzl’s nickname] if maybe he shouldn’t try to find out about this sect,” says Christine R, sister of Rosemarie. “His answer was: ‘No point’. His word was law.”
Below stairs the signs suggest that he was beginning to see Elisabeth more as a lover. On his Thailand holiday in 1998 a video showed him buying a dress for a slim woman. “My secret girlfriend,” he told his travelling companion, “Don’t tell the wife.” Throughout the ordeal, Elisabeth probably drew her strength from her maternal instinct, her readiness to defy her torturer to protect her children.
There were times when Mr Fritzl did not need much persuading; he dutifully took her shopping lists and ultimately agreed to let her out of the dungeon to shield their critically ill 19-year-old daughter. Now Josef Fritzl is sharing a small prison cell with a man accused of attempted murder. He enjoyed an hour’s walk in the sun-dappled exercise yard – an incomparably more privileged existence than he allowed his captive family.
05-03-2008, 13:36
KukriKhan
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
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Originally Posted by AdrianII's article
“I took care of them all,” Mr Frizl told police in his first (and only) interrogation. “I meant well.”
Yanno, I bet he sincerely believes that. It just goes to shows how banal, how seemingly commonplace, normal-looking, evil is.
He really only had to make one crucial decision and act on it ("When she runs away, she's in danger; I shall make it so she cannot run away again.") Subsequent decisions, like keeping her locked up indefinately, impregnating her, spinning her disappearance story, etc., were merely routine follow-ups to the original one. Then one day he wakes up and *poof* 24 years has passed.
Fascinating, what the human spirit can conceive (on his part) and what it can endure (or her and her children's part).
05-03-2008, 13:45
Adrian II
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
Sumtin strange in the neighborhood
Who you gonna call?
Well, nobody really, - I mean, I thought it was somehow out of the ordinary - but he seemed such a nice man, I mean he went to Church, he had a lovely Hausfrau so if she didn't ring the alarm why should I and his father and mine knew each other from way back when they served-in-Russia-never-mind-on-whose-behalf-cause-were-Austrian, and --
:smg:
05-03-2008, 16:18
Banquo's Ghost
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
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Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Yanno, I bet he sincerely believes that. It just goes to shows how banal, how seemingly commonplace, normal-looking, evil is.
Absolutely.
Deborah Orr made a chilling observation in this piece that removes him from bestial to something recognisable and all the more terrible.
I think, conversely, that the astonishing, frightening thing about this dismal, unbelievable narrative is that Josef Fritzl let the world know himself what he had been up to, for the normal, paternal reason that one of his daughters was dangerously ill. It's that germ, that sliver, of everyday paternal instinct that must surely have survived all along somewhere in his flamboyantly abnormal psyche, that is the most scary thing of all. His monstrousness was not so complete that no humanity, no sympathy, no understanding of the sacredness of the life of his child remained. However strong the desire to brand this man's evil unique, the sucker punch is that he is human, all too human.
:shame:
05-03-2008, 17:08
Adrian II
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
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Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
However strong the desire to brand this man's evil unique, the sucker punch is that he is human, all too human.
I'm afraid KukriKhan or the columnist are right. Such statements won't stop other posters from detailing what they would like to do to various body parts of Fritzl before they shot his head off, but rage or vindictive fantasies do not stop the next Fritzl. This is like a micro-version of politics: you can't change man himself, but you can try to change his social arrangements to the point where such sociopaths are checked in time and certain forms of abuse are prevented. And when it turns out that some of the the neighbours knew and that visitors knew and that the police knew or coulda/shoulda known, there is clearly something very rotten in Amstetten that transcends the clouded mind of Mr Fritzl.
05-03-2008, 22:21
Rhyfelwyr
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
Sounds to me like his lodgers knew damned fine something badly wrong was going on. And yet these relatively 'normal' people never did anything about it. :no:
You don't need to be Jessica Fletcher to solve this one. One lodger said he heard scratching and grunts coming from the Bunker. Fritzl had to raid his own neighbours house just for food. Mystery children appearing on the doorstep, with a missing daughter registered as a missing person.
And it is disturbing that the Austrian authorities could be so incredibly stupid to send Fritzl's daughter back to him. There is something seriously wrong in that country. Seemed like a nice place when I was there last summer as well. :shame:
05-03-2008, 23:25
Adrian II
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
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Originally Posted by Caledonian Rhyfelwyr
Seemed like a nice place when I was there last summer as well. :shame:
And it is. Every country has its peculiarities and defaults, doesn't mean it isn't a nice place. Belgium is a nice place despite Dutroux, the U.S. despite Jeffrey Dahmer. Heck, France despite Sarkozy. :wink2:
05-03-2008, 23:50
Samurai Waki
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
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Originally Posted by Adrian II
I'm afraid KukriKhan or the columnist are right. Such statements won't stop other posters from detailing what they would like to do to various body parts of Fritzl before they shot his head off, but rage or vindictive fantasies do not stop the next Fritzl.
My Statement for example is more of an outrage rather than a logical solution. While I would like to do certain things to this man... I know that it wouldn't actually help the situation any, I just have the Medieval Mindset (like most people) when they are confronted with a situation that cannot be easily resolved, extermination. However, as I am not a mentally ill pedophile and rapist, I do have difficulty seeing the situation from his perspective, and I believe that further insight into what causes these "problems" need to be observed and rectified, and therefore outright destruction will only hinder the cause.
05-04-2008, 00:39
Adrian II
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
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Originally Posted by Wakizashi
My Statement for example is more of an outrage rather than a logical solution. While I would like to do certain things to this man... I know that it wouldn't actually help the situation any, I just have the Medieval Mindset (like most people) when they are confronted with a situation that cannot be easily resolved, extermination. However, as I am not a mentally ill pedophile and rapist, I do have difficulty seeing the situation from his perspective, and I believe that further insight into what causes these "problems" need to be observed and rectified, and therefore outright destruction will only hinder the cause.
Well, I totally agree, both with the primary reflex and the secundary consideration. The Fritzls, like the Dahmers, are out of reach, either because they don't realise what they are doing or because they don't fear death. I am inclined to think that, given the inevitable presence of such characters among us, we shouldn't concentrate on the question what makes them trick so much as on the question what makes them go undetected and/or unchecked - for the sad truth is they often are detected (or at least suspected) by private citizens at an early stage.
05-04-2008, 01:35
Samurai Waki
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
Sadly, it seems that such situations may not be controllable, but simply something we will just have to wait for. If we can detect or check up on such people, I think it would also be an invasion of some our most primal freedoms. As far as guys like Dahmer and Fritzl go, there are too many people with too many problems, and like it or not they exist maybe if only to remind us that we need to keep a careful watch of what goes on around us. Some people you instinctively know to stay far and away from, and many of us will just have to play damage control when the storm hits. You hope such situations never happen to your brood, and as long as you don't completely ignore the threats nothing should happen. But sometimes the situation is uncontrollable and has to be approached as thus.
05-04-2008, 14:32
KukriKhan
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...Somehow, despite all we understand of human history and its catalogue of barbarity, still going on, right now, this minute, between sects, between tribes, between ethnicities, between nations, between factions, between families, between genders, between fathers and mothers and sisters and brothers, we all still like to think that we as individuals are something akin to the Dalai Lama, wreathed in the absurd "knowledge" of our own, and humanity's, inherent goodness and gentleness.
That is my big take-away from Ms. Orr's article: We all know of Darfur, Baghdad, Bosnia, Treblinka, Auschwitz, Dahmer's apartment, the Amstsetten cellar, and so on, and so on, from the past, and, likely, into the future.
A lesson to be learnt is: such things will continue to happen, so we should be vigilant; but, that's only the secondary lesson, in my opinion.
The primary lesson is: it could be me.
I don't mean the victim, though that's statistically more likely. I mean the perpetrator. At any given point in time, given the proper circumstance, any one of us - I - despite the fact that "...we all still like to think that we as individuals are something akin to the Dalai Lama, wreathed in the absurd "knowledge" of our own, and humanity's, inherent goodness and gentleness...." am fully capable of denying life and/or liberty to one or more other humans. If a Dahmer or a Fritzl is possible at all, then it's also possible that I am Dahmer, I am Frtizl, in some future scenario that seems to make sense to me at the time, no matter that it contradicts everything I've thought about me for decades.
That is what we guard against first, I think: our own individual capacity for evil. Whether we get them from religion, social studies, or whatever, we (individually) must construct a set of absolute guidlines to follow for when times are tough, and events fast and furious and out-of-control. "Life is sacred", might be one (it is for me).
I didn't mean to preach. Sorry about that. :bow: It's just that in amongst the "Ain't it awful" and "String 'im up" talk - which is understandable, we ought to also think about our own humanity, our own capacity to do good and evil.
05-04-2008, 15:19
Adrian II
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
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Originally Posted by KukriKhan
A lesson to be learnt is: such things will continue to happen, so we should be vigilant; but, that's only the secondary lesson, in my opinion.
The primary lesson is: it could be me.
I totally understand your line of thought and although I am not at all shocked or even offended by it, I have to say it just doesn't feel right. Not because I feel I am miraculously immune to depravity, but because somehow I know I will never be that depraved.
Of course there is little evidence to support any such statement, but I think we have food for thought in a meta-study done on the 1962 Milgram obedience experiment and later, similar obedience experiments.
No doubt you recall the Milgram experiment in which two-thirds of test subjects were prepared to deal the 'victim' a lethal 450 Volt shock. In 2002 psychologist Thomas Blass performed a statistical meta-analysis on this and similar experiments and found the two-thirds obedience rate to be constant, regardless of place, time, gender &cetera.
Somehow, I flatter myself by thinking I belong to one third that refuses to pull the switch.
05-04-2008, 15:42
TB666
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Originally Posted by Caledonian Rhyfelwyr
Sounds to me like his lodgers knew damned fine something badly wrong was going on. And yet these relatively 'normal' people never did anything about it. :no:
You don't need to be Jessica Fletcher to solve this one. One lodger said he heard scratching and grunts coming from the Bunker. Fritzl had to raid his own neighbours house just for food. Mystery children appearing on the doorstep, with a missing daughter registered as a missing person.
It is indeed scary that these people didn't dare to report it since as you say, they knew something wrong was going on.
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Originally Posted by Caledonian Rhyfelwyr
And it is disturbing that the Austrian authorities could be so incredibly stupid to send Fritzl's daughter back to him. There is something seriously wrong in that country. Seemed like a nice place when I was there last summer as well. :shame:
There might not have been evidence that he abused her at the time.
For all they knew it could just have been a runaway kid that needs to be brought back to her family.
If there was evidence of rape then I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't have brought her back.
While I don't doubt for a second that the policemen/woman that brought her back are at the moment feeling extremely bad about themselfs since they could have stopped it, but that's with hindsight which they didn't have at the time.
And I must disagree with newspapers calling him "the monster". Seriously, pretty much every newspaper I checked here in Sweden, Denmark and Norway call him that.
Yes what he did was one of the sickest things I have ever heard and I can't even begin to imagine the hell the daughter and her children have gone though since it just so damn extreme.
But he is not a monster. He is a father, husband and son and a human just like the rest of us.
During the right circumstances(or wrong) we can easily turn into this man.
Do not forget it, instead learn from it so that we can prevent others from the same hell the daughter went through.
05-04-2008, 16:40
Banquo's Ghost
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
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Originally Posted by Adrian II
Of course there is little evidence to support any such statement, but I think we have food for thought in a meta-study done on the 1962 Milgram obedience experiment and later, similar obedience experiments.
No doubt you recall the Milgram experiment in which two-thirds of test subjects were prepared to deal the 'victim' a lethal 450 Volt shock. In 2002 psychologist Thomas Blass performed a statistical meta-analysis on this and similar experiments and found the two-thirds obedience rate to be constant, regardless of place, time, gender &cetera.
Somehow, I flatter myself by thinking I belong to one third that refuses to pull the switch.
I happen to be reading "The Lucifer Effect" by Philip Zimbardo, designer of the Stanford Prison experiment and an essay reflecting on this as information for situations like Abu Ghraib.
I think he has a powerful argument when attributing situational impact rather than dispositional to the evil that otherwise "normal" people do. I suspect that if one factors in the situational pressures, even that one third diminishes into negligible fraction of people that can go against the prevailing peer demands. Clearly this does not apply in the Fritzl case, but to this tangent.
I used to believe (or hope, perhaps) that I might be in that third too. But I know how close I have come to torturing/allowing the torture of an individual within a situation wherein my peers expected it, and only managed to control myself and the people I was responsible for by appealing to a very clear code of military conduct - one that at core, was rooted in the same conventions and laws that I had always held dear.
Since then, I have also read an insightful analysis of the psychology of a man I (strangely perhaps) admire - Maximilien Robespierre. I recognise myself in the idealist driven to utter barbarity for a belief apparently rooted in reason. I suspect that were I caught up in those heady times, surrounded by fervour for a future so perfect and so newly real, I might too dance with Madame Guillotine in the pale moonlight.
This is what I think Kukri is alluding to - I have seen myself in that mirror and not recognised the eyes unblinking back. He is not a demon I care to meet again, but I know he is there, somewhere.
05-04-2008, 17:15
Adrian II
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Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
This is what I think Kukri is alluding to - I have seen myself in that mirror and not recognised the eyes unblinking back. He is not a demon I care to meet again, but I know he is there, somewhere.
Same here, but I've got him covered.
I believe KukriKhan was not alluding to situations of extreme pressure, like war, a violent crime scene or prolonged systematic abuse. For most perpetrators of crimes of such truly sickening proportions, there was no situational pressure at all except for the pressures of illegality which they created themselves.
All that Fritzl seems to have by way of an excuse is that in his early youth he appears to have been abused by his dominant single mother, though whether this abuse was of a sexual nature I cannot gauge from the Austrian papers. Even so, most victims of such abuse do not turn on their children, let alone in this gruesome way. In Fritzl's case there was no discernable situational pressure at all.
05-04-2008, 18:09
Husar
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
I know what you mean Kukri.
I'm aware of my inner Fritzl and I think that helps me keep him right there inside.
05-04-2008, 18:47
Samurai Waki
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
As long as the demon stays there, it should only ever serve as a reminder that you are human. I've allowed my wife to see some of the darker depths of my soul, and although no harm ever came to anyone, it frightened her to the very core. Apparently when I'm not in a good mood, my presence is chilling to say the least, and that was a comment from an ex-con who served five years in prison when I was doing a study case in college last semester. I think its the hair... :laugh4:
05-04-2008, 19:05
Rhyfelwyr
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
Hmmm, I don't think I have an inner Fritzl.
As for the Milgram experiment, I'd stop as soon as I heard the learner was in pain. The whole situation would surely seem a bit suspicious.
But if it was a terrorist who knew where a bomb was about to go off, then I'd zap the crap out of him.
05-04-2008, 20:11
edyzmedieval
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
To be honest, I wouldn't treat him as a normal human being. I sometimes still prefer the old dictatorships.
My word? 20 lashes, stop for 5 seconds then put lime/salt, 20 lashes again, salt/lime again, 20 lashes again, salt lime again. After like 30 minutes, put im into his cell, no food and just half a liter of water and then let him rot there.
I'm a real psycho, but seriously, I hardly believe this guy didn't have any feelings. As psycho-maniac as you can be, you have your own natural paternal instincts which dominate over other personality/mind traits.
05-04-2008, 23:34
Samurai Waki
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
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Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
To be honest, I wouldn't treat him as a normal human being. I sometimes still prefer the old dictatorships.
My word? 20 lashes, stop for 5 seconds then put lime/salt, 20 lashes again, salt/lime again, 20 lashes again, salt lime again. After like 30 minutes, put im into his cell, no food and just half a liter of water and then let him rot there.
I'm a real psycho, but seriously, I hardly believe this guy didn't have any feelings. As psycho-maniac as you can be, you have your own natural paternal instincts which dominate over other personality/mind traits.
Being Romanian I thought you might prefer some kind of torture more akin to a Certain Wallachian Impaler?
05-04-2008, 23:58
Adrian II
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
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Originally Posted by Caledonian Rhyfelwyr
Hmmm, I don't think I have an inner Fritzl.
I'm not asking you to make a full confession here, but I reckon if you are honest and dig deep enough, you will find his nephew, his depraved brother, his retarded neighbour or someone similar within yourself. We al have scandalous thoughts, indeed scandalous memories, of betrayal and thuggery.
There is a somewhat mystifying short story of Edgar Allan Poe, The Man of the Crowd (1840), which has the following brilliant opening paragraph:
It was well said of a certain German book that “es läßt sich nicht lesen” – it does not permit itself to be read. There are some secrets which do not permit themselves to be told. Men die nightly in their beds, wringing the hands of ghostly confessors, and looking them piteously in the eyes – die with despair of heart and convulsion of throat, on account of the hideousness of mysteries which will not suffer themselves to be revealed. Now and then, alas, the conscience of man takes up a burthen so heavy in horror that it can be thrown down only into the grave. And thus the essence of all crime is undivulged.
It's widely available on the Web, just Google for it.
05-05-2008, 03:16
Papewaio
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
What is more amazing is the lack of people willing to stand up and stop it happening. Apparently some of the tenants had an inkling of what was happening but preferred to keep their lodgings.
I'd like to cast stones and say this is an Austrian thing and it is part and parcel why fascism was allowed to rise in post WWI Germany. It would be easier on my ego. But the reality is this is a very real problem in all of modern society not just small towns. People lack empathy for others in very shocking ways, and the only shocking thing is that they scream out when it happens to them 'Why me?'.
It doesn't matter what the laws are if the people refuse to act on their own conscience. And it doesn't matter how active people are if they are actively suppressing that conscience. See No Evil, Say No Evil, Hear No Evil... just as long as it doesn't touch me. Solidarity for me, myself and I.
05-05-2008, 10:55
cegorach
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
According to Austrian sources the man was earlier imprisoned for a rape and suspected of arson.
I am not sure if anyone mentioned it already.
It appears we have another shocking incident, this time in Germany.
Three baby bodies were found in a freezer, somewhere in Wenden, Germany.
I suspect we will see a number of such cases recalled or discovered right now.
Perhaps it will serve some better purpose than to increase circulation of tabloid press after all.
Maybe some people will, for a while at least, care what is going on in the neighbourhood.
05-05-2008, 11:08
Banquo's Ghost
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Originally Posted by cegorach
Perhaps it will serve some better purpose than to increase circulation of tabloid press after all.
Maybe some people will, for a while at least, care what is going on in the neighbourhood.
"These people are using Amstetten's proximity to Austria's main motorway to make a detour to the house where they indulge in what I call catastrophe tourism," she said. "I find this shocking and I do not understand their motivation. It shows no respect for the victims."
05-05-2008, 11:58
cegorach
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
Bloody voltures...
What next ?
'Welcome to the Austrian House of Horrors ! See the torture chamber, perfectly recreated Hitler's bedroom and the room where mad duke Rudolph ate livers of his victims while writing poems about autumn weather.
Only 1 EURO ! Special offer for families with children !'
Josef the Rapist keyrings only 20 cents !
or maybe:
'Call Josef a weekly talk show - live from Austrian prison !'
:shame: :shame:
05-05-2008, 14:08
cegorach
Re: Bloody hell. Father locking his daughter in the basement for 24 years
I have just checked at the news portal TVN24.
Police revealed the information that the guy started planning to imprison his daughter before he built the house where he kept her and her children.
So it was even better prepared than what we knew before and harder for anyone to find out.
05-05-2008, 14:43
TB666
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"These people are using Amstetten's proximity to Austria's main motorway to make a detour to the house where they indulge in what I call catastrophe tourism," she said. "I find this shocking and I do not understand their motivation. It shows no respect for the victims."
Not surprising.
Should atleast charge them and give the money to the victims.
But the info by the police that slowly gets to know more and more what have happened down there is just sick.
Just get worse and worse.
Doesn't matter how much people wanna torture the father, it won't bring Elizabeth's wasted life back or make her memories of the bunker go away.