Reconquesta Interactive History

Around 1150. However, El Cid and independent Valencia were long gone by then.
The problem lies in the fact that only if we do the "What if" and his son is still alive and defeated the moors so far, because El Cid's eldest duaghter married a noble whose son became King of Navarra, and his second daughter married the count of Barcelona, whose descendants were only daughters. The only paths to continue the lineage of El Cid is either:

1. Diego Rodriguez actually surviving his battle of Consuegra, succeeding after El Cid dies, and keeping the Muslims at bay, while conquering the Baleares. But most probably by 1150 he too would have already died. To follow this line you would have to invent a son of Diego Rodriguez
2. His wife succeeding him as historically happened, keeping the moors at bay and conquering the Baleares, then using the Semi-Salic succession law to get the historical elder male descendant from El Cid traceable through females, making him descendant of El Cid through his mother (Jimena, granddaughter of El Cid, second daughter of Maria and Ramon Berenger III of Barcelona, married to Bernard III of Foix) and his grandmother (Maria, second daughter of El Cid, married to Ramon Berenger III of Barcelona). He is Roger Bernard I, Count of Foix. He was 18 years old in 1150 and therefore able to be "King of Valencia".

The Almoravids ruled Morroco, Fez and Al-Andaluz. The Hammadids ruled Algiers and Tunis. The Almohads came from the Atlas Mountains (Within Morroco) and defeated the Almoravids in Morroco, then defeated the Hammadids, thus ruling Morroco, Fez, Algiers, Tunis and Al-Andaluz.

Nevermind, already participating in too many things as it is.

The rules seem rather simple. I would suggest some things to add variety (Especially in the troops thingie, since only three types seems rather simplistic) but then again more complexity means more work for you, so I'll stick with that.

I have a suggestion for troop types:

Instead of regulars replacing militia entirely, allow regulars to be recruited along with militia and elites. That way, you can come up with a mix of troops, like there were in real life.

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Originally Posted by DemonArchangel

I have a suggestion for troop types:

Instead of regulars replacing militia entirely, allow regulars to be recruited along with militia and elites. That way, you can come up with a mix of troops, like there were in real life.

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What I could do is add limits

i.e: allows maximum of 10,000 regulars

nex barracks maximum of 20,000

So players would be forced to have a mixture.

etc.
also I haven't finsihed adding yet, when I have I'll re post with all info & a prologue, though it's going to be hard to do as it probably won't be accurate, as Jolt knows every detail from this area :sweatdrop:

Thoughts now?


Also warman is banned :no:

So I need slots for Navarre & Hammadids

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Nevermind, already participating in too many things as it is.

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I disagree :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury

also I haven't finsihed adding yet, when I have I'll re post with all info & a prologue, though it's going to be hard to do as it probably won't be accurate, as Jolt knows every detail from this area :sweatdrop:

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"Knowing thy history is knowing thyself." - Telmo Rola.

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Originally Posted by Jolt

"Knowing thy history is knowing thyself." - Telmo Rola.

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JOLT!


Your too awesome not to be co-hosting this with me.


This wouldn't stop you being a player, but you would get half the credit


yay or nay?

Ugh...Yay? It depends, but yay until I see the bigger scope of things.

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Originally Posted by Jolt

Ugh...Yay? It depends, but yay until I see the bigger scope of things.

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Well as the ultimate Reconquista Encyclopedia you could do me a fab prologue & get all the initial historical accuracies done (as a co-host I wouldn't mind you changing it at all with some consultation) Don't worry though I would do the whole orders collecting and order distributing thing.


I'll send you more info on it if you like, and if there is a way I could help you in return don't hesitate to say.

I'll take Navarre, hopefully it's small enough for me to handle. HURRY THROW ME OFF THE INTERNETS BEFORE I CHANGE MY MIND!!!! :confused:

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Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury

Well as the ultimate Reconquista Encyclopedia you could do me a fab prologue & get all the initial historical accuracies done (as a co-host I wouldn't mind you changing it at all with some consultation) Don't worry though I would do the whole orders collecting and order distributing thing.


I'll send you more info on it if you like, and if there is a way I could help you in return don't hesitate to say.

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In order to host a successful Intereactive history a good knowledge of the period is essential, as well as excellent research and entertainning write-ups. I don't doubt your abilities on these, but living in England it won't be easy for you to gather substantial information about Spanish history. So maybe it would be wise to look closer to home for an Intereactive history period. Britain's got some interesting periods that would make a fine IH game, also you'll be able to get tons of info about them without much difficulty.

I'm not Spanish. >_> To give an update on the situation, me and TM have been looking to balance out several parts of the IH as well as adding some things. It may be a while before the IH starts.

Navarre. Give me. :yes:

EDIT: Eh, if Ichigo's takin it, I'll go with the Hammadids.

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Originally Posted by Quintus.JC

In order to host a successful Intereactive history a good knowledge of the period is essential, as well as excellent research and entertainning write-ups. I don't doubt your abilities on these, but living in England it won't be easy for you to gather substantial information about Spanish history. So maybe it would be wise to look closer to home for an Intereactive history period. Britain's got some interesting periods that would make a fine IH game, also you'll be able to get tons of info about them without much difficulty.

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Tad a late for that perhaps :wink: lets just call it an Interactive History with tweaks :beam:

I will look over the time period more, Jolt himself is the one with the head on him, we were discussing on msn what we could do, and he seems to have the historical accuracies, but obviously a few aspects are sacrificed to avoid annoyingly complicated play.

Full house!

A week should do it shouldn't it Jolt? we kind of have the bases in place for how diplomacy will start, the ship system, garrisons & siege times, and I'll update the map so regions are correct, we've also addressed law balance for nations. And I have the econonmic numbers for each region with the exception of the Almoravids (moors)


So I guess that leaves additional buildings, perhaps a better unit system. Not too much more, then it's just getting the info written down....


:beam:

Thanks for joining Ichigo & Megas Methuselath! :balloon2:


also, it is confirmed that the hammadids will get all regions up to faz, meaning the moors lose 2 & hammadids gain 2


If this is a problem for demonarchangel please say, I understand you signed up when the moors had more. However it will be constructed as balanced as possible, so that isn't a big problem.

And the Almohads are only left with Fez? :dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by KarlXII

And the Almohads are only left with Fez? :dizzy2:

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still ;)

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Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury

still ;)

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Unfortunately I'm going to have toi withdraw from what I find to be an impossible position.

That's what you think. :P (e.g. The impossibility of the Almohads succeeding in anything)

Don't leave, KarlXII. What I'm guessing will happen ins that the Almos will start off with a large army and sufficient wealth to savage the Moors. It'll be up to the Moors to hang on to as many provinces as they can.

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Originally Posted by KarlXII

Unfortunately I'm going to have toi withdraw from what I find to be an impossible position.

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Blitz the map with your ravaging camels. :yes:

Karl XII I can spill that you will be militarily superior to your neighbours

your just assuming it will be impossible.

I did give it a second thought, and have decided that playing a minor with expansion for growth will be interesting, and challenging. Keep me in.

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Originally Posted by KarlXII

I did give it a second thought, and have decided that playing a minor with expansion for growth will be interesting, and challenging. Keep me in.

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good, that's pretty much why you signed up for them in the first place wasn't it? :beam:

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Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury

good, that's pretty much why you signed up for them in the first place wasn't it? :beam:

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Indeed.

I must respectfully disagree with your decision to make balanced forces. My job is hard enough as is, especially since all the Christian factions will gang up on me and tear me apart.

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Originally Posted by DemonArchangel

especially since all the Christian factions will gang up on me and tear me apart.

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...Maybe? In any case that's what happened historically. By 1150 the Almoravids didn't even exist anymore. But we're making it balanced for everyone.

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Originally Posted by DemonArchangel

I must respectfully disagree with your decision to make balanced forces. My job is hard enough as is, especially since all the Christian factions will gang up on me and tear me apart.

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So true. :evilgrin:

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Originally Posted by DemonArchangel

I must respectfully disagree with your decision to make balanced forces. My job is hard enough as is, especially since all the Christian factions will gang up on me and tear me apart.

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Really? Don't worry, everyone will have plenty too keep them...occupied :mellow:

From what I'm aware no one starts with armies positioned, just the money to buy them, so it's the technology & income at the start that will be handy.

When me & Jolt are next on MSN at the same time we can wrap up the game mechanics, that could be as soon as a day or two, or possibly further (I'll be on later at weekends probably then)