How history will view us...

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Originally Posted by Hooahguy

but also ask how many people religion has SAVED.
i know of people who were on the brink of suicide who turned to religion and decided to live on.
one of those people is my uncle, who now lives a good life with a wife and two kids.

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I take that uncle, and counter him with my own. Killed by Jewish Terrorists in 1946. His Grandchildren would be my age now.

I also counter him with the Holocaust, Rwanda, 9/11 (and other Islamic Extremism), and Northern Ireland. Total estimated casualties: About 9 Million. And that's only counting the big attacks.

Nine. Million.

They all lie dead because people don't stand up for reason. They all lie dead, because the common theist hasn't the guts to stand up and think. The blood of those Nine million is on the common theists hands.

Nine. Million.

So don't say that we have had a boom in tolerance, because those nine million bodies are proof to the contrary.

Nine Million Bodies. Each one had a life, friends, lovers, and family. Each one made some contribution to the world around them, which was cut short by people thinking that there is a MAN in the SKY. Am I the only one here who sees how utterly irrational that idea is. People have been killed because people think that a MAN IN THE SKY is telling them to. And not just a couple.

Nine Million.




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Originally Posted by Wakizashi

I think the subject of religion is a little off topic, and no matter what people like to believe in things that are bigger than themselves, Religion is respectable outlet, that suffers from the problems as any ideology, extremism.

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Except that Religion is utterly, and completely daft. Seriously. Someone has managed to convince people that there is a man in the sky that watches them all the time, and it's the people who refuse to believe this that are the social outcasts. WHAT?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

So much pessimism in this thread. We've improved by leaps and bounds. The 20th century will be remembered as a century where humanity overcame our warring instincts, moved towards equality for all races and genders, and created enormous amounts of music and film.

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Worry-wart that I am, I worry that all the stuff we've digitalized, much of it eminently worthwhile and which desperately ought to be passed on, may not survive catastrophy, or be playable/readable in the future. Think Library of Alexandria, writ: global.

and how do you know how many have been saved by religion?

also, the Nazis didnt commit genocide because god told them to. they did becasue the maniac called hitler told them to. and he is not god.

anyhow, have fun trolling.

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Originally Posted by Che Roriniho

I take that uncle, and counter him with my own. Killed by Jewish Terrorists in 1946. His Grandchildren would be my age now.

I also counter him with the Holocaust, Rwanda, 9/11 (and other Islamic Extremism), and Northern Ireland. Total estimated casualties: About 9 Million. And that's only counting the big attacks.

Nine. Million.

They all lie dead because people don't stand up for reason. They all lie dead, because the common theist hasn't the guts to stand up and think. The blood of those Nine million is on the common theists hands.

Nine. Million.

So don't say that we have had a boom in tolerance, because those nine million bodies are proof to the contrary.

Nine Million Bodies. Each one had a life, friends, lovers, and family. Each one made some contribution to the world around them, which was cut short by people thinking that there is a MAN in the SKY. Am I the only one here who sees how utterly irrational that idea is. People have been killed because people think that a MAN IN THE SKY is telling them to. And not just a couple.

Nine Million.




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Except that Religion is utterly, and completely daft. Seriously. Someone has managed to convince people that there is a man in the sky that watches them all the time, and it's the people who refuse to believe this that are the social outcasts. WHAT?

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Bollocks. How many people were killed by the people who didn't believe there was a big man in the Sky in the last 100 years? ....100+ Million? So this argument carries no weight whatsoever.

And by the by The Rwanda Genocide was Ethnically motivated, not religiously.

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Originally Posted by Hooahguy

and how do you know how many have been saved by religion?

also, the Nazis didnt commit genocide because god told them to. they did becasue the maniac called hitler told them to. and he is not god.

anyhow, have fun trolling.

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Certainly not 9 million. And why did Hitler tell them to? *points skyward*

To bolt on to my previous post, why is everyone who points out the obvious stupidity in the Mits argument (Man in the sky. Just read that again. a MAN. in the SKY.) gets called a troll.

Religion bashing sentence removed. SF

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Originally Posted by Che Roriniho

Certainly not 9 million. And why did Hitler tell them to? *points skyward*

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whoooooooaaaaaa......

read up on holocaust history, then come back.

Yes, please before flaming religion, it is generally acceptable you actually read up on events instead of creating the Religious Bogey Man as a Scapegoat for all the worlds shortcomings.

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Originally Posted by Wakizashi

Bollocks. How many people were killed by the people who didn't believe there was a big man in the Sky in the last 100 years? ....100+ Million? So this argument carries no weight whatsoever.

And by the by The Rwanda Genocide was Ethnically motivated, not religiously.

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Except for the fact that t of those 9 million would still be alive, or at least would have died from natural causes, yes, you are right.

But srsly, you've got to be joking. Nobody can bypass an argument THAT BADLY, can they?

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Originally Posted by Hooahguy

whoooooooaaaaaa......

read up on holocaust history, then come back.

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Wow, you have been indoctrinated. You're ALMOST right, and yet so wrong.

I refer to Hans Küng, a priest, so you'd expect him to take your side, however:

"Nazi anti-Judaism was the work of godless, anti-Christian criminals. But it would not have been possible without the almost two thousand years' pre-history of 'Christian' anti-Judaism..."

Yeh. Religion again. Damn. Looks like... Oh, nips. It looks like religion has killed more people. What a surprise.

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Originally Posted by Che Roriniho

Wow, you have been indoctrinated. You're ALMOST right, and yet so wrong.

I refer to Hans Küng, a priest, so you'd expect him to take your side, however:

"Nazi anti-Judaism was the work of godless, anti-Christian criminals. But it would not have been possible without the almost two thousand years' pre-history of 'Christian' anti-Judaism..."

Yeh. Religion again. Damn. Looks like... Oh, nips. It looks like religion has killed more people. What a surprise.

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Then Riddle Me this, how come the Nazis also went after the Deaf, Dumb, Blind, Lame, Slavs, Gypsies, and anyone else deemed an undesirable? All of these people have absolutely nothing to do with the 2000 year history between Christianity and Judaism.

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Originally Posted by Hooahguy

whoooooooaaaaaa......

read up on holocaust history, then come back.

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Wow, you have been indoctrinated. You're ALMOST right, and yet so wrong.

I refer to Hans Küng, a priest, so you'd expect him to take your side, however:

"Nazi anti-Judaism was the work of godless, anti-Christian criminals. But it would not have been possible without the almost two thousand years' pre-history of 'Christian' anti-Judaism..."

Yeh. Religion again. Damn. Looks like... Oh, nips. It looks like religion has killed more people. What a surprise.


In other news, LETS GB2T.

whatever, troll.

im going to email Dr. Lipstadt, who just happens to be a friend of mine, and we will see what she says on the matter.

also, Che, your disprespect for people who are religious is disgusting. there are a host of athiests in the backroom and all but you show respect for others, like we give to them.
come back when you learn backroom manners.

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9 Million deaths

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I think you're absurd view that 9 Million deaths is a tragedy. It has prevented massive overpopulation of our currently overburdened planet...I'm going to stop feeding the troll now.

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Originally Posted by Che Roriniho

I the Holocaust, Rwanda, 9/11 (and other Islamic Extremism), and Northern Ireland

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Despite the fact that religion doesn't exist to get a pat on the head from secular folks because we like to prove we are compatible with western society, I'll point some stuff out anyway.

The Jewish part of the Holocaust was caused by nationalism, and a deranged bunch of leaders who thought that the Jewish RACE were inferior and had to be exterminated for the glorious Aryans to rise to domination.

The Rwandan genocide was caused because of RACIAL conflict between Hutu's and Tutsi's because one had been seen as slaves to the other throught history and so they weren't happy having one of them running the country.

Can't argue with 9/11.

You would have to be :dizzy2: to blame the Troubles in NI on religion. The conflict was again based on RACE, and tied in with that culture, which was something that religion happened to coincide with. On the Irish nationalist side in particular, the IRA did not see themselves as fighting to restore Catholicism, but more commonly spreading the Marxist revolution (you're a lefty like myself but you don't argue that the violence in the name of communism makes it a disease). Religious rhetoric was much more common on the Unionist side, and yet I don't get the impression those in the UDA or the UVF did their work with a Bible in their pocket.

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Originally Posted by Che Roriniho

I take that uncle, and counter him with my own. Killed by Jewish Terrorists in 1946. His Grandchildren would be my age now.

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Oh, is that why you hate Israel?

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Holocaust

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Nothing to do with religion.

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Rwanda

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I'm fairly sure that was ethnic, not religious.

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They all lie dead because people don't stand up for reason. They all lie dead, because the common theist hasn't the guts to stand up and think. The blood of those Nine million is on the common theists hands.

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Over One Hundred. Million.

All dead from atheist regimes. The three largest murdering regimes in history, all atheist or areligious.

One Hundred. Million.

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Except that Religion is utterly, and completely daft. Seriously. Someone has managed to convince people that there is a man in the sky that watches them all the time, and it's the people who refuse to believe this that are the social outcasts. WHAT?

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1) You aren't social outcasts.
2) You believe that random particles hit random other particles at random times to randomly create everything we have now.
3) Regardless of your beliefs or lack of them, you have no right to insult others as you have been doing.

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2) You believe that random particles hit random other particles at random times to randomly create everything we have now.

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Sorry. Just quoted it because it tickled me, and my love of "loaded simplicity". :thumbsup:

Apparently, history will have to remember us as impolite.

Too much vitriol, thread closed.