Is obesity a left-wing issue? (Query about Fox news)

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A rickshaw is something that evil capitalists are literally dragged about by the poor downtrodden workers. I like them.

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It really is a beautiful concept isn't it *sniffle* brings a tear to my eye.

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I have no idea what a rickshaw is

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Really? Well a rickshaw is a human-powered taxi of sorts, which is indigenous to china. Basically it is two wheels a seat and two poles that a person holds onto while they drive you around.

Oh i have another asian oriented question. i have a palanquin company and i am hiring a new carrier, the other three carriers are conveniently 5'9. now my two choices are a 3 foot "little person" (dont want to be politically incorrect) and another 5'9 guy. I choose the 5'9 guy simply because of his height, am i discriminating?

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

Really? Well a rickshaw is a human-powered taxi of sorts, which is indigenous to china. Basically it is two wheels a seat and two poles that a person holds onto while they drive you around.

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Ah, well then I understand. Well, your example is quite irrelevant then, isn't it? You would hire the most qualified driver, which would be the one best capable of riding the rickshaw. If that's the big guy, you hire him, if it's not, you hire the other. You don't hire the athlete because of his looks, but because of his qualifications.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Ah, well then I understand. Well, your example is quite irrelevant then, isn't it? You would hire the most qualified driver, which would be the one best capable of riding the rickshaw. If that's the big guy, you hire him, if it's not, you hire the other. You don't hire the athlete because of his looks, but because of his qualifications.

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And if the qualifications are being well shaped, it isn't discrimination either.

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Originally Posted by Viking

And if the qualifications are being well shaped, it isn't discrimination either.

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The qualifications for being a rickshaw driver isn't being "well shaped", it's having good stamina.

But with every job with such requirements, there better be a damned good reason for it. And attracting costumers ain't one of them.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

The qualifications for being a rickshaw driver isn't being "well shaped", it's having good stamina.

But with every job with such requirements, there better be a damned good reason for it. And attracting costumers ain't one of them.

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That would be in reference to Hooters and similar places; where it appears to be not just about attracting customers, but also about a theme that the place has set.

Is a gay bar that would only allow homosexual bartenders a discriminating place?

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Originally Posted by Viking

That would be in reference to Hooters and similar places; where it appears to be not just about attracting customers, but also about a theme that the place has set.

Is a gay bar that would only allow homosexual bartenders a discriminating place?

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Yes?

Shall I mention a strip club? :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Husar

Shall I mention a strip club? :sweatdrop:

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I see no reason for strip clubs to exist in the first place, so....

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

I see no reason for strip clubs to exist in the first place, so....

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So everybody better adjust to your opinion because that will obviously make the world a better place and bring freedom and democracy. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Yes?

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I think it was a pretty poor example, on a second thought, since it wouldn't really have any impact on their performance in any way; while on Hooters, it's a theme that you'll notice once you've entered.

Restaurant openly seeks attractive women. Woman A is deemed prettier than woman B and is therefore selected. Not discrimination.

Woman C is a foreigner while woman D is not. Woman D gets selected because of that. Discrimination.

Look he obviously isn't going to back down. if we say something like Playboy doesn't have to hire men he would say well playboy shouldnt exist. whenever he doesn't have an answer he makes it moral.

Oh and you would not hire the fat :furious3: because he is FAT. He doesn't have any stamina, because he is FAT. so face up there are certain jobs that fat people cannot perform as well as in shape people.

The same goes for women men. If i ran a hooters i would never hire a male waiter (even if his man boobs were big, heehee)
Because it is a business pleasing the customers (not costumers, that had me confused...) is your main priority. It is the only thing that matters cause if a restaurant &%&% of its clientele they will lose their business and then there wont be ANY jobs, be they hot or not.

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Originally Posted by Husar

So everybody better adjust to your opinion because that will obviously make the world a better place and bring freedom and democracy. :rolleyes:

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i know the TV show Yes Minister reached Finland, but maybe it never got to Norway which thus explains why he doesn't appreciate the irony of such a publicly stated attitude?

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

But with every job with such requirements, there better be a damned good reason for it. And attracting costumers ain't one of them.

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You don't think attracting customers is an important part of the job?

I don't get what makes choosing people based on looks any different from choosing people based on intelligence. Both are things which will affect a person's success in some jobs, both are things which some people will be born with and others not, they can't help it. So what's the difference?

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

Look he obviously isn't going to back down. if we say something like Playboy doesn't have to hire men he would say well playboy shouldnt exist. whenever he doesn't have an answer he makes it moral.

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How 'bout actually reading what I write?

If you do, you just might notice that I've stated "such things should have damned good reasoning behind it" multiple times. Not that looks shouldn't matter anywhere.

See the extreme difference between the two?

In fact, I believe we agree completely in principle. I'm pretty sure that you agree that if someone is looking for a new garbage driver, and the two applicants are a middle-aged guy with plenty of driving experience, and the other one is a 22-year old babe with no experience, it should be treated as discrimination if the boss decides to hire the babe because he can think dirty thoughts if he does.

The rest is just about where to draw the line.

So the better driver makes a better garbage collector, and the hot waitress a better looker, now isn't that the point.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

The qualifications for being a rickshaw driver isn't being "well shaped", it's having good stamina.

But with every job with such requirements, there better be a damned good reason for it. And attracting costumers ain't one of them.

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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?!

Have you never heard of salesmen? Face it, for some jobs physical attractiveness helps the business and therefore it's legitimate to discriminate based on that.

Sorry, but you seem to be deviating from the reality of business here. :shrug:

CR

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?!

Have you never heard of salesmen? Face it, for some jobs physical attractiveness helps the business and therefore it's legitimate to discriminate based on that.

Sorry, but you seem to be deviating from the reality of business here. :shrug:

CR

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Bah.

Leftism at it's finest, aren't equal chances that count but equal outcome. CR rabbit is 100% correct you are shutting down your eyes for the reality of business. Can't shape reality, it just is. People like hot waiters, and thus prefer to be served by hot waiters.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Leftism at it's finest, aren't equal chances that count but equal outcome. CR rabbit is 100% correct you are shutting down your eyes for the reality of business. Can't shape reality, it just is. People like hot waiters, and thus prefer to be served by hot waiters.

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Alright, I'll elaborate, because you really did hit the nail here.

Capitalism isn't about selling the most, or making the biggest profit. That's as wrong as you can get.

Capitalism is a way to achieve the best product in the most efficient way. Capitalism is about innovation and efficiency.

Marketing, in todays form, counter-acts the innovation and efficiency capitalism tries to achieve. Let's take your example with the hot waitress, having a hot waitress is a form of marketing in this example. The restaurant attracts more costumers because of it, fine. But where's the innovation and efficiency in that? Where's the incentive to come up with new things and improve efficiency when all you need is that hot chick? Why do you, Fragony, want to lower the quality of the food you eat as well as increase its cost?

Marketing should go to hell. Plain and simple.

Back at you, where do you draw the line, I am sure we can agree that we don't want to be confronted with the hidious mass of an arterie-trafficjammed pig when we are visiting a strip-club, we expect hotties who know their ways with gravity. Certain businesses have certain requirements, it ins't discrimination to deny someone a job as bus-driver if he has poor eyesight. A night out is an experience, restaurant wants to give the best, or they should do something else. You shouldn't be mean to ugly people, but that is where it ends.

edit, your point is much more interesting than I took it for. All work and no play makes Fragony a dull boy, if you put all the colours of the rainbow of a disk and spin it around all you see is grey. I like beauty, and yeah I want to consume it. Each and every one. When I go to a museum I want to see great works of art, not a collection of what the world has to offer, I have that it's called daily life.

That's where I went wrong. You see I set up a business to make money. As much of it as I could. Now if I'd only set about making the best product in the most efficient way and innovated a bit more.........

Deluded, absolutley deluded. :wall:

Well capitalism in some ways doesn't exactly maximise innovation and efficiency. When you get to very 'pure' capitalist systems, then a lot of people would be denied the education to show the world their talent and contribute their best. You need socialised elements to give everyone a chance, getting the balance is where the debate is.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Well capitalism in some ways doesn't exactly maximise innovation and efficiency. When you get to very 'pure' capitalist systems, then a lot of people would be denied the education to show the world their talent and contribute their best. You need socialised elements to give everyone a chance, getting the balance is where the debate is.

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Ya. That middle ground. There is no perfection just the best choice for the time being. For a person seeing himself as rightwing I have some pretty leftist idea's on social issues, just picking the flowers I like. It's of no use trying to put capitalism against socialism because neither have fully existed and we will never know how they would perfrom if they did. Now if rightwing wouldn't be automatically regarded as evil xenophobic and selfish bastards there would be something to discus, and I would stop seeing lefties as aggresive intolerant and arrogant bastards.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Ya. That middle ground. There is no perfection just the best choice for the time being. For a person seeing himself as rightwing I have some pretty leftist idea's on social issues, just picking the flowers I like. It's of no use trying to put capitalism against socialism because neither have fully existed and we will never know how they would perfrom if they did. Now if rightwing wouldn't be automatically regarded as evil xenophobic and selfish bastards there would be something to discus, and I would stop seeing lefties as aggresive intolerant and arrogant bastards.

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Yeah, I like to cherrypick as well. I'm not necessarily in the 'centre', sometimes I am, but other times I go with the right or the left on certain issues, admittedly more often the left. Also very true about just using the best option for the time being, never mind the global revolution, it just won't work for some countries.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Yeah, I like to cherrypick as well. I'm not necessarily in the 'centre', sometimes I am, but other times I go with the right or the left on certain issues, admittedly more often the left. Also very true about just using the best option for the time being, never mind the global revolution, it just won't work for some countries.

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Democracy at it's best no? I don't trust the left because I don't trust people who don't trust people, there just aren't enough problems to put their idealism to use and their need for perfectionism freaks me out. We are having a great life here. Enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

I see no reason for strip clubs to exist in the first place, so....

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now you´re going too far!! them be fighting words!!! you wanna step outside?? :laugh4:

Portugal air pressure normalllllllll yes must be you :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by InsaneApache

That's where I went wrong. You see I set up a business to make money. As much of it as I could. Now if I'd only set about making the best product in the most efficient way and innovated a bit more.........

Deluded, absolutley deluded. :wall:

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You're in it for the money, that doesn't make it the goal of capitalism.

Capitalism is about progress.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Alright, I'll elaborate, because you really did hit the nail here.

Capitalism isn't about selling the most, or making the biggest profit. That's as wrong as you can get.

Capitalism is a way to achieve the best product in the most efficient way. Capitalism is about innovation and efficiency.

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To paraphrase Adam Smith; capitalism is the result of each person working for their own gain. It just so happens that it has a whole bunch of side benefits.

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Marketing should go to hell. Plain and simple.

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:rolleyes:
None of this has to do with companies discriminating in their hiring. And even then, you're wrong. Hooters also has a reputation for good 'wings', and they want people to think they've got good food as well.

And marketing goes hand in hand with innovation - how else are you going to inform people of the latest and greatest invention if not by marketing?

CR

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

And marketing goes hand in hand with innovation - how else are you going to inform people of the latest and greatest invention if not by marketing?

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How 'bout..... Actually reading what I write? ~:)