I am Psychic Zero. I talk in your minds.
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I am Psychic Zero. I talk in your minds.
Due to the events of the round, I have concluded that either Subotan is guilty, or Secura is guilty.
If Subotan is innocent, the scums would be on the bandwagon to lynch him. That means Secura. (probably)
If Subotan is guilty, then he's dead anyway.
Congratulations Secura, whatever happens, whichever team you are on benefits from this move. I like your cool response to my accusation earlier. I don't like Subotan's vote versus me.
The iPhone got me lynched? Yet another reason to hate apple.
I suppose i've just got to accept my fate. It doesn't seem like I'd be able to convince you not to vote for me based on a single admitedly scummy post.
Edit: I didn't see the third page, and hence Atpg's above post.
I am innocent (again; I want to be a mafia and not get banned), and the reason for my short post was that I needed something short to type, but yet wasn't just a post that contained a vote.
If you were innocent, you'd need to put up more of a fight than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Subotan
Remember if you're innocent the game is lost when you are lynched. Your throwing in the towel is symbolic: it means town doesn't deserve to win, if you're town. If you are guilty, then accepting your fate here makes me giggle.
Yikes, I didn't know that.
As I said, I am innocent. I'm posting using my dads iPhone, which I'd very uncomfortable, hence my short posts. And I don't like using IRL excuses.
Well... there's only so much I can do here. My hands are totally tied, I am not going to back down on this and get lynched because that is 100% suicide for the town. And if you're also innocent, we're pretty screwed.
The only saving throw here is No Lynch. I said it before. But I can't back down and vote No Lynch and I don't recommend Diamondeye or Secura vote No Lynch either, because again, if we don't get the votes, it's pure suicide for the town.
Your fate is in your hands. It's either lynch Subotan or No Lynch. So what's it going to be?
I wouldn't be recommending No Lynch if I were guilty.
I recommend lynch:Subotan for first-nighting me.
Your call. We'll do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
You honour me, Pizza-san, but this is your show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I'm following the advice of both yourself and Beskar, the latter who I particularly have a lot of faith in (even from his prison cell). I hope that faith is well placed.
You travel through the sewer quietly, each questioning those around you. Someone amongst your group had tossed the flash bag that had brought the city guard down upon them. The throwing dagger in the back of Beskar’s knee had also come from someone within this group of thieves. Accusations flew amongst the group, each questioning the other, unsure of who had turned against them. It wasn’t long before both ATPG and Subotan realized that everyone’s eyes were upon them. ATPG was able to turn the attention against Subotan and he quickly realized the trouble he was in. There were two problems with the current situation, one was that the heightened awareness he was in was exhausting, and the second was that thieves preyed on weakness and knew when to act upon it. For the past hour Subotan had walked with every sense alert, ready to react to anything and those around him knew it. But it finally happened, his body was beginning to tire and he briefly lost his footing. That was all the time that was needed, but unbalanced, he was unable to defend himself. Secura struck at Subotans leg, causing his lack of balance to become a full out fall. ATPG didn’t hesitate either and quickly landed upon Subotans back, using his weight to force Subotans head under the surface. Diamondeye quickly stepped in and threw a hard kick at Subotans side. The force was hard enough to force Subotan to gasp for breath, sucking in the liquid sewage into his lungs. Further struggles quickly subsided. Dragging Subotans body out of the sewage you quickly examine it, only to learn...
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
It is now night.
Final Tally:
3 Subotan: ATPG, Diamondeye, Secura
2 ATPG: Atheotes, Subotan
1 Secura: CCRunner
The update will be tomorrow night.
We should have done No Lynch.
:wall:
Hey, it wasn't Subotan, that is a surprise.
You come upon a ladder leading back up to the street. CCRunner was the first up the ladder. Upon reaching the top, he extended his hand to inform you all to remain silent and then silently lifted the lid. You all could hear the sounds from above flowing down from the access hole. As silent as possible, you all slowly exit the sewers out onto the street. You find yourselves in a dark alley, shaded mostly due to the close quarters and the clothes hanging above, drying in the wind. Moving towards the end of the alley, you all stop, recalling the plan.
There was a mill not more then a block away that had an abandoned passage that ran under the inner wall and out of the inner city ward. The tunnel was said to move into the merchants ward, which would be even more dangerous, since it was one of the strongholds of The Master. It would be dangerous, but it was also the best option. Many of you grabbed clothes off the lines, or some other disguise to better conceal yourself while walking out in the open. Though you didn’t trust each other, you also knew that the only way for your current loot to be worth anything, was to reach the fence located on the other side of the merchants ward.
You were walking down the street when you noticed a pair of guards approaching you. They seemed unaware of you and would have passed on, when a hand reached out and snatched the purse of one of the guards and then tossed it at atheotes shoulder. The thieves reflexes were quick and upon striking his shoulder and leaving him unharmed, atheotes reflexively caught the item as it began to fall. The city guards spun around and seeing his purse in the hands of atheotes, both guards immediately reached for their swords. Atheotes didn’t bother to look at his fellow thieves, he knew they’d continue on, leaving him to fend for himself. He quickly drew a small dagger and sliced the ties holding the purse closed and then flung it forcibly at the closest guard, causing the bag to burst, flinging coins around the street. As he turned to flee he remembered Beskar and immediately jumped high as the expected dagger barely missed the back of his knee. He was turning towards a dark alley when something struck him in the back. He ignored it, as he knew it hadn’t been a thrown blade, but what felt like some sort of bag. He had taken only a few more steps when he began to feel a strange sensation come over him. It was then he began to panic, as he knew what had struck him. He frantically tore at his clothing, trying to remove it and the magical goo that was quickly engulfing him. With all his speed, he wasn’t fast enough, and quickly fell to the ground unable to move. He slid the small blade out of its hidden wrist sheath, but even that wouldn’t work. He could do nothing but panic as the city guard walked up to him, laughing at his condition.
“Hey, doesn’t he match the description of one of those thieves we’re looking for?” asked one guard.
“It sure does. I wonder how this happened to him?” stated the other.
“Who cares, we’re the ones bringing him in, that’s all that matters. Granted, once we figure out how to get him out of the goo.”
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
It is now day. Make you’re accusations.
My apologies. As I was lying in bed it dawned on me that in my latest update I stated that atheotes was a common thief, when he was in fact the Ring Leader. The update has been modified. Also, please include this paragraph in the update:
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Upon realizing that the Ring Leader of this job was dead, two things came to mind. He was your contact with your employer and he was the one forcing you to receive only 10% of the take. Now, with the Ring Leader dead, you had no means of contacting your employer and the loot would be divided evenly among the remaining thieves. Currently, each of you would receive 25%.
Back to bed.
Well I guess we should thank our lucky stars that the cop and head thief were on opposing sides.
I think we can reasonably guess that Diamondeye or Secura is the guilty party. I'm going to go with
vote: Diamondeye based on both Beskar's suspicions and Secura's reaction while under pressure.
Do you know something we don't, ATPG? I have not heard any mention of either of these roles and am quite frankly at a loss as to what your post indicates other than you want me lynched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Which is a smart move considering I advocated your lynch in the event that Subotan was innocent - which you shrugged off since it was apparently "the final lynch".
I am 100 % sure that vote: AskThePizzaGuy is villaineous. We need to lynch him to win.
Scum post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
I know you need to lynch me to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
I also know I'm a basic thief, not the cop or the master thief. I also know that the best route of victory for the scums was following the Subotan bandwagon. Both you and Secura answered the call. It's a coin flip, but you're acting far worse.
Okay so the reasons you have for lynching me is that I - like 3 of the 4 people alive, I believe - voted against someone we thought was guilty. And that I am taking this lynch seriously because, like you (apparently) did last round, I assume that this is our last chance. Of course, you could just have said that to manipulate us since it wasn't really the last voting round, was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I guess this is a call between Secura and CCRunner. I know ATPG is villaineous and he claims that I am. Make up your mind.
No. Me, you, and Secura voted for someone Beskar and I thought was guilty. Beskar and I asked for a bandwagon. You two followed suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
That's what happened. Subotan wasn't guilty. I was the one calling for "No Lynch" but no one listened to me.
There was no way for an innocent person to know that. We know there are at least two villains. I did not know they weren't working together.Quote:
And that I am taking this lynch seriously because, like you (apparently) did last round, I assume that this is our last chance. Of course, you could just have said that to manipulate us since it wasn't really the last voting round, was it?
LOL is this a soft claim that you're a detective, then? There's NO REASON to "soft" claim detective here. There's only one villain left, most likely. This is the final round, and you're wussing out on claiming full detective? For what reason? Afraid there might be a real one around, just like in the Swords and D20's game where you were ALSO FULL OF IT???Quote:
I guess this is a call between Secura and CCRunner. I know ATPG is villaineous and he claims that I am. Make up your mind.
I never do this, but it is worthy of big letters.
I call bovine excrement on you. You're totally full of it.
You repeatedly told us NOT to call a no lynch, iirc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
We assume there are two villains. And from this round we assume that they are not working together... correct?Quote:
There was no way for an innocent person to know that. We know there are at least two villains. I did not know they weren't working together.
1: This isn't a soft claim. It's a deduction. Prove me wrong.Quote:
LOL is this a soft claim that you're a detective, then? There's NO REASON to "soft" claim detective here. There's only one villain left, most likely. This is the final round, and you're wussing out on claiming full detective? For what reason? Afraid there might be a real one around, just like in the Swords and D20's game where you were ALSO FULL OF IT???
2: How is it there is only one villain left? No villains have been lynched, to my knowledge. You say the villains are a master's thief and a cop, yet none of these have been lynched and you claim there's one villain left. Inconsistant at the best, outright lying at the worst.
Nope. I am not afraid there's an investigator around. If he hasn't just been captured, he's most welcome to reveal now. This is another game, not the S&D20s (where you were lying aswell, my friend, although for another purpose than I). The only reason I was that desperate was that CDf discarded my night order after AA's death. Meh.
You think so? I'm calling your bet. Who's full of it, ATPG? I think you. Let's see if the rest of town is clearsighted enough to come to the same conclusion.Quote:
I never do this, but it is worthy of big letters.
I call bovine excrement on you. You're totally full of it.
When there were two votes on me, yes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
Because- Unlikely that we would get 3-4 No Lynch votes so late in the round. If we failed in doing so, I easily die by 2 votes to lynch, or perhaps 3 by an opportunistic Diamondeye. From my perspective, that was likely the fastest route to losing the game, as I indeed thought last round was game over if we got it wrong.
I reminded people of that fact, even though I had previously called for No Lynch because a false lynch loses the game (most likely) and No Lynch forces another murder, thus removing a suspect, but allowing 3 townies versus 2 scums.
The odds are better for the town if we did that. And since no one but me was pointing that out, what are the odds that I am a scumbag? I often act innocent to make myself look innocent, but I do not do things which improve the odds of a town victory.
The fact that we have a round when there are 4 players remaining means that there are either 2 non-allied bad guys remaining (which means we lose anyway, as we only have one lynch...) or there is only one, and atheotes was the odd man out being not a basic thief. That's why we are thinking that there's basic thieves, the cop, and the master thief, as the game setup. Beskar was also a basic thief.Quote:
We assume there are two villains. And from this round we assume that they are not working together... correct?
This is all obvious stuff to those paying attention.
It's not a deduction because you'd have to have investigated both Secura and CCRunner in order to have "DEDUCED" it. Which means you'd have to be claiming THAT, and you DID NOT CLAIM THAT.Quote:
1: This isn't a soft claim. It's a deduction. Prove me wrong.
Which means you're not a detective. Which means it's not a deduction. Which means YOU ARE TOTALLY FULL OF IT.
Hahahahah.Quote:
2: How is it there is only one villain left? No villains have been lynched, to my knowledge. You say the villains are a master's thief and a cop, yet none of these have been lynched and you claim there's one villain left. Inconsistant at the best, outright lying at the worst.
Ring leader. Ring leader of the thieves. What's another name for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Methos
Then you admit you're no detective. Which means you haven't deduced anything except how to survive past this final round.Quote:
Nope. I am not afraid there's an investigator around. If he hasn't just been captured, he's most welcome to reveal now.
"Think?" I thought you said you KNEW.Quote:
You think so? I'm calling your bet. Who's full of it, ATPG? I think you.
Show how you "know". Come on, where's the proof? Where's the irrefutable argument? Where's the logic? Show your work.
There is no logic and no evidence which leads to the bogus conclusion that I am guilty, because I am innocent. So, the onus is on you to prove me a liar, otherwise you stand accused and proven to be one yourself. I await your highly entertaining and full-of-holes response.
Yes, indeed. :mellow:Quote:
Let's see if the rest of town is clearsighted enough to come to the same conclusion.
Out of morbid curiosity; CCRunner, Secura, do you guys have roles besides the basic role?
I'd like to know if I guessed correctly on that point or not.
Guys... what's happened here? There's no need to tear strips off one another.
I'd like to clarify something, Pizza:
When the town agreed to a Subotan lynch, I voted solely based upon the extent to which Beskar was adamant; he had a strong feeling that Subotan was scum, and I didn't have any inclinations towards anyone at all. Had I known that false accusations would be bandied around for doing so, perhaps I might have considered abstaining after all.. You requested an additional vote, specified that "no vote" would screw the town over... so I offered my support. Bear in mind that Diamond wanted you lynched if Subotan turned out to be innocent. I'm not buying into that sort of logic, myself.
Both of you have utilised some excellent deductive abilities, and you form solid arguments (if a little aggressive, but boys will be boys). For now, I am going to vote: Diamondeye; my scumdar was tingling a little early on when Subotan was lynched, I had a feeling Pizza was mafia. I'm also slightly uncomfortable with how quiet CC has been, but I put that down to busy day-to-day RL stuff. However, this round's seen a flurry of activity from Diamondeye, and I feel some of his arguments are strong, but others fail to hold water.
And to answer your question, I am a thief. I believe there is only one threat left, as it appears the Ring Leader/Master Thief has been captured.
I only get really aggressive when I catch people lying. :bow:
Also, for some reason I think the "Master" and the "Ring Leader" are separate roles... this could be wrong but I'd need CCRunner to say what role he is. Ultimately it doesn't matter; Diamondeye is either innocent and playing really badly, or he's guilty and the game is over with his death with either a thief victory, or whichever bad guy isn't his role victory.
Just wanted to point out that even though Beskar and atheotes have been captured, they are basically dead in this game. Granted, I may use this in my updates, but they have been removed as players.
This is all buying the pretense that you're innocent. You would have just as much reason to seek personal survival then than you have now, being guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
WIFOM - and lies.Quote:
The odds are better for the town if we did that. And since no one but me was pointing that out, what are the odds that I am a scumbag? I often act innocent to make myself look innocent, but I do not do things which improve the odds of a town victory.
You are not reading my posts thoroughfully enough. Why would one of the villains be apprehended in the night update? That makes no sense at all and is a bogus claim. "we" are thinking that there are two baddies left. One when you're down. The other might be incapable of nightkills or something since we haven't lost.Quote:
The fact that we have a round when there are 4 players remaining means that there are either 2 non-allied bad guys remaining (which means we lose anyway, as we only have one lynch...) or there is only one, and atheotes was the odd man out being not a basic thief. That's why we are thinking that there's basic thieves, the cop, and the master thief, as the game setup. Beskar was also a basic thief.
Whatever. Allow me my emphasis and rhetorical questions.Quote:
This is all obvious stuff to those paying attention.
We are dealing with two villains. I am not a villain.Quote:
It's not a deduction because you'd have to have investigated both Secura and CCRunner in order to have "DEDUCED" it. Which means you'd have to be claiming THAT, and you DID NOT CLAIM THAT.
I do not believe CCRunner is a villain, being this inactive.
Thus; you and Secura are the villains. Secura's vote merely solidifies this claim.
You're the detective then, since you "know" I'm guilty? No way. Scum.Quote:
Which means you're not a detective. Which means it's not a deduction. Which means YOU ARE TOTALLY FULL OF IT.
Again; you are not reading my posts closely enough. I see no reason why the Ringleader should be anti-town in a ring of thieves.Quote:
Ring leader. Ring leader of the thieves. What's another name for that?
Which seems crucial when we are two townies, you and Secura. I repeat; I am 100 % sure that you aren't pro-town.Quote:
Then you admit you're no detective. Which means you haven't deduced anything except how to survive past this final round.
Rhetorical questions are allowed on here, right?Quote:
"Think?" I thought you said you KNEW.
I won't have visible proof until you hang/win the game obviously. Your thread replies are all that I have but it's enough for me to be sure.Quote:
Show how you "know". Come on, where's the proof? Where's the irrefutable argument? Where's the logic? Show your work.
There is no logic and no evidence which leads to the bogus conclusion that I am guilty, because I am innocent. So, the onus is on you to prove me a liar, otherwise you stand accused and proven to be one yourself. I await your highly entertaining and full-of-holes response.
Yes, indeed. :mellow:
When your arguments are refuted, your response is simply that I'm guilty. Based on zero proof. How do you "know"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
When you are shown to be lying, your response is that I'm a liar.Quote:
WIFOM - and lies.
A bad guy not in the same team as another could remove that player from the game during the night.Quote:
You are not reading my posts thoroughfully enough. Why would one of the villains be apprehended in the night update? That makes no sense at all and is a bogus claim. "we" are thinking that there are two baddies left. One when you're down. The other might be incapable of nightkills or something since we haven't lost.
:)Quote:
Whatever. Allow me my emphasis and rhetorical questions.
....Quote:
We are dealing with two villains. I am not a villain.
Kay.Quote:
I do not believe CCRunner is a villain, being this inactive.
If we're both villains, the game is over. Remember?Quote:
Thus; you and Secura are the villains. Secura's vote merely solidifies this claim.
Hey Diamondeye.... come on now, man.... you're not thinking before you post.
I caught you lying that you've "deduced" and you "know" I'm guilty. Why do townies do that? They rarely do.Quote:
You're the detective then, since you "know" I'm guilty? No way. Scum.
Scum do all the time.
Maybe he's really really greedy.Quote:
Again; you are not reading my posts closely enough. I see no reason why the Ringleader should be anti-town in a ring of thieves.
Game is An Unlikely Pair, not Obviously Both Scum.
And that's 100% based on absolutely nothing. No evidence, no reasoning, just your statements.Quote:
Which seems crucial when we are two townies, you and Secura. I repeat; I am 100 % sure that you aren't pro-town.
Are they?Quote:
Rhetorical questions are allowed on here, right?
How convenient that you don't provide your evidence and proof that I'm guilty until after I'm dead. :laugh4:Quote:
I won't have visible proof until you hang/win the game obviously.
You have time now. Humor me.
LOL!!!Quote:
Your thread replies are all that I have but it's enough for me to be sure.
You "know" I'm guilty based on the fact that I voted for you? What else? You were SURE based on my one accusatory post.
You can't use my posts after that as proof (and I'd like to see an attempt) so how do you "know"
Come on then, spill it. What's the evidence? What's the reasoning? How'd you "deduce" that I'm guilty and Secura is guilty? Game would be over. You'd never be able to overturn our two votes.
It's obviously and self-evidently false.
If I am supposed to believe you're innocent (and I don't) then how, how, how am I supposed to believe that when you don't answer basic questions about my supposed guilt other than "I've deduced it! It must be so", especially when you're dead wrong.
If you don't start talking, you're going to be just plain dead. So humor me. How do you KNOW I'm guilty when I'm not.
Pardon, but I will keep hammering you on this until you concede the point or the round ends.