Did Zeus never teach Athena to have some tolerance with Muslims?

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

This isn't chauvinism, I remember a feminist teacher went crazy when one guy suggested mean should be able to hit women in retaliation if they are equal.

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That's because your teacher is an idoit

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Also, men that use violence are not cowards, that is pc bs since for some reason nowadays we call everyone cowards when we don't like them/disapprove of what they do. Taliban? Cowards. Guy tops himself? Coward. Guy goes looking for a fight where he could get hurt? Coward... yeah, whatever.

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Violence is an extreme act of cowardice in most cases, throwing things at peaceful muslims is cowardice. True violence is terrible. it is meant, in the best of scenarios to instill fear and in the worst case of scenarios kill. A whole gneration of watching violence on TV has us desensitized.

If you commit to using violence you should be prepared to die, if someone was pelting me with eggs and threatning my family. I would've gone over there kicked him in the testicles, gouged his eyes out and stomped on his trachea until I was sure he was dead.

If a muslim had done that in this scenario I wouldn't have faulted him because thats what violence is. That's what these Greeks were half ass commiting themselves to.

Be in it to win it son.

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

the problem is they hit 4-5 years old children, and women who don't put a fight back...

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Well here's an idea: don't bring your kids to public demonstrations.

There was already a lot of tension in Greece between the native population and the (illegal) immigrants. Not to mention, after having been brutalised by a Muslim colonial power for centuries, Islamic shows of force are a natural provocation in Greece. So leave the kids elsewhere when one decides to stage a massive open air Islamic religious manifestation.

Schengen, fast international bullet trains, and a single Euro are indispensible to me. The bliss of travelling from Bordeaux to Paris to Brussels to Amsterdam within a few hours in a bullet train, without border hassles, and without the need to carry three different currencies just to have a cup of coffee - it is all sheer genius.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Well here's an idea: don't bring your kids to public demonstrations.

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This was a religious service, not a demonstration, Louis. Which they had to conduct outside because they haven't got any other suitable place for it.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Schengen, fast international bullet trains, and a single Euro are indispensible to me. The bliss of travelling from Bordeaux to Paris to Brussels to Amsterdam within a few hours in a bullet train, without border hassles, and without the need to carry three different currencies just to have a cup of coffee - it is all sheer genius.

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I love it.

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

well, hitting a teenager who can hit you back is "definitely had more risk", and they are borderline of the "children" definition.

the problem is they hit 4-5 years old children, and women who don't put a fight back...

well... I was rather surprised when some comments here implies : women equality = they are equal to be hit and assumed they can fight back...

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None of those people should've been attacked in the first place. The whole point is: demonstration OK, violence not OK.

With the notion of women being equal to men therefore violence against women is the same as violence against men you should understand that women are given equal status to men in a somewhat idealised sense. In reality most women do not have parity with men in physical conflict, simply a matter of greater bulk alone.
But the point to convey here is not that women are de facto equals of men in physical confrontation (it all depends). The point is to convey violence towards any people who are peacefully going about their business is not OK, not even if they are extremely physically fit men in the prime of their life. Sanctity of your body. Your body is not to be abused and/or mutilated by someone else at will, no matter who you are or who the other is.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

That's because your teacher is an idoit

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Men are on average much stronger than women, why can't people accept this fact. If a man hits a woman the chances are he will seriously hurt her, while the reverse is not true.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Violence is an extreme act of cowardice in most cases, throwing things at peaceful muslims is cowardice.

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How is it cowardice, it just seems like stupidity to me. These thugs are probably the type that do regularly engage in fights and would fight back if things escalated. Thugs, but not necessarily cowards.

I'm not defending these people I'm just objecting to the strange use of the word "coward".

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Men are on average much stronger than women, why can't people accept this fact. If a man hits a woman the chances are he will seriously hurt her, while the reverse is not true.

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You haven't be hit by a female then, obviously.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Men are on average much stronger than women, why can't people accept this fact. If a man hits a woman the chances are he will seriously hurt her, while the reverse is not true.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

You haven't be hit by a female then, obviously.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1YfxBn5oU4

The word "hit" is too vague to bother talking about though.

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How is it cowardice, it just seems like stupidity to me. These thugs are probably the type that do regularly engage in fights and would fight back if things escalated. Thugs, but not necessarily cowards.

I'm not defending these people I'm just objecting to the strange use of the word "coward".

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Yes. Cowardice is when you avoid something do to fear, not when you attack someone in anger. If someone attacks a child instead of a man, the avoiding of the man was cowardly and the attack on the child was vicious.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1YfxBn5oU4

The word "hit" is too vague to bother talking about though.

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I think that video supports my point though.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

I think that video supports my point though.

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Wow. Twenty-five.

At least midwest girls still know how to fight.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Men are on average much stronger than women, why can't people accept this fact. If a man hits a woman the chances are he will seriously hurt her, while the reverse is not true.

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I work out with Vibeke Skofterud a couple of times a week.

I'm not the only male in that gym she'd have no problem beating up... Nor is she the only fit female there.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Schengen, fast international bullet trains, and a single Euro are indispensible to me. The bliss of travelling from Bordeaux to Paris to Brussels to Amsterdam within a few hours in a bullet train, without border hassles, and without the need to carry three different currencies just to have a cup of coffee - it is all sheer genius.

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Why on earth would you want to visit Amsterdam?? The barren womb of Europe nowadays, all the neon-light in the world can't hide that it has become incredibly&painfully boring, labour's fetish for controling each and every aspect of your life and their neverending need of coin has turned this once lovely playful lady into a tired bloated whore.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

I work out with Vibeke Skofterud a couple of times a week.

I'm not the only male in that gym she'd have no problem beating up... Nor is she the only fit female there.

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How do exceptions disporove general trends?

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

How do exceptions disporove general trends?

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Ya, almost all men can easily beat up any woman. Saying otherwise is confusing how you would like it and how things are. Lemur's wife will most likely completely destroy me (and Lemur) but I'm no karate expert, if I was things would be different simply because I'm naturally stronger.

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Are you seriously saying that IF the UK had joined somehow they'd be able to police the Greek / Italian / Maltese borders so well that the problem of illegal immigrants would all but disappear? That's a flattering statement to make, but sadly it's not the case.

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That is what I was questioning, just how much of a disaster zone the UK would actually be if it had signed up to Schengen. Lets try to have some rational predictions, not "ZOMG ITS FALLOUT BOURTON-ON-THE-WATER!11!!!!"

I'm not saying that, with the UK's shining light of exacting border controls, the EU's border problems would be gone, but the issue might be better addressed if the UK were not content to simply entrench itself behind the channel.

External borders (between two displined countries of roughly comparable standards) are a major waste of time for people going about legal business, but scarcely an inconvenience for those with more malign intentions.

There are smarter instruments of catching criminals and preventing illegal immigration.

You can check the passports of everybody on the boat / car / train / plane, but at some point you need to realise that unless you transform your borders to an impregnable fortress like the Berlin Wall, you are really mostly just inconveniencing normal citizens with intrusive questions, cavity searches and hours of delay, while those with malign intentions simply cross the border at night in an unpatrolled forest / beach / country road.

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Originally Posted by alh_p

That is what I was questioning, just how much of a disaster zone the UK would actually be if it had signed up to Schengen. Lets try to have some rational predictions, not "ZOMG ITS FALLOUT BOURTON-ON-THE-WATER!11!!!!"

I'm not saying that, with the UK's shining light of exacting border controls, the EU's border problems would be gone, but the issue might be better addressed if the UK were not content to simply entrench itself behind the channel.

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Projecting hysteria on percieved hysteria doesn't help, why are you lefties always using caps? We don't, so what's the point?

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Projecting hysteria on percieved hysteria doesn't help, why are you lefties always using caps? We don't, so what's the point?

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It helps communicate the fury better. Are you just wingeing because I copied a leaf from your book with hyperbolic and sensationalist satire?

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

How do exceptions disporove general trends?

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Why is there any difference between a strong male hitting a weaker male, and a strong male hitting a weaker female?

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Why is there any difference between a strong male hitting a weaker male, and a strong male hitting a weaker female?

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in some "paternalistic" cultures, including mine, males are expected to at least have some gut to fight, fight back, and knows how to fight. And even in non-paternalistic cultures, most "soldiers" are male don't they? our long tradition in earth mostly said that fighting is male duty...

of course, if you are disabled male or small childrens, that was a certain exceptions

So there's no reason beyond tradition and culture.

~:smoking:

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

So there's no reason beyond tradition and culture.

~:smoking:

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yeah, and that implies hitting women and children are far bigger crime and violence

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and at some points of their lives, I bet every males will or have fight against each others, now, who here are male, but never ever doing brawls in highschool / univ?

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

in some "paternalistic" cultures, including mine, males are expected to at least have some gut to fight, fight back, and knows how to fight. And even in non-paternalistic cultures, most "soldiers" are male don't they? our long tradition in earth mostly said that fighting is male duty...

of course, if you are disabled male or small childrens, that was a certain exceptions

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So what you're saying is that it's got nothing at all to do with nature at all, it's just about how society wants things to be...? Interesting.

EDIT: rory beat me to it.

Which would in itself be illegal in the UK as it displays both gender and age bias.

~:smoking:

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Originally Posted by alh_p

It helps communicate the fury better. Are you just wingeing because I copied a leaf from your book with hyperbolic and sensationalist satire?

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No it's the fury that keeps amazing me, take a look in the mirror and wonder where you really stand

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

yeah, and that implies hitting women and children are far bigger crime and violence

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and at some points of their lives, I bet every males will or have fight against each others, now, who here are male, but never ever doing brawls in highschool / univ?

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So, you can basically swap "man" and "female" with any other random word and the point will be the same? Like "shop clerks" should always protect "library assistants", and thus violence against "library assistants" is a bigger crime. Right?

Oh, and I'm 24, male, and I've never, ever been in a fight. Nor do I believe I will ever be in one. And I'm working class. I solve my disagreements by using my words, not by acting like a barbaric idiot.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

No it's the fury that keeps amazing me, take a look in the mirror and wonder where you really stand

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http://www.modernmom.com/media/artic...ize800x600.jpg

Excuse the vest, it's pure irony (givent he post) that some would have it be known as a "wife beater".

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Oh, and I'm 24, male, and I've never, ever been in a fight. Nor do I believe I will ever be in one. And I'm working class. I solve my disagreements by using my words, not by acting like a barbaric idiot.

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hmm.....I envy you, clearly become wise as early as an well aged men when you are still in highschool are something to be very proud of... I salute you for that. Every men I know in highschool, including myself, are "barbaric idiot"according to your words, and even everyone at the compulsory conscript training camp was "barbaric idiots"...

hmm... Norway didn't have nation wide reserve conscription system... so that was still a very respectable archievements, but... quite understandable...

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

hmm.....I envy you, clearly become wise as early as an well aged men when you are still in highschool are something to be very proud of... I salute you for that. Every men I know in highschool, including myself, are "barbaric idiot"according to your words, and even everyone at the compulsory conscript training camp was "barbaric idiots"...

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Only a few of my friends have been in fights, and none of them have anybody to blame but themselves for it, as they were acting like aggressive dorks.

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

hmm... Norway didn't have nation wide reserve conscription system... so that was still a very respectable archievements, but... quite understandable...

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We sure do, and I've been through one 11 months and one week of military service.

No fighting there either.