This really has to stop

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Originally Posted by Fragony

See and this is how it's done, the 3 most important islamic organisations in Dutchieland volunteered to arrange security to guard our coptic churches that are also on the hitlist of hatebeards. That isn't just a nice gesture it also is a really brave one. Not too little, not too late, chapeau.

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Meh.

I respect their intention. Although I do not think every Muslim has to speak out every time some other Muslim somewhere around the world commits a crime.

But the result of all this is that foreign battles, concepts, divides are imported. Suddenly Europe is a battlefield between Christian and Islamic Egyptians, or rather between Islamic moderates and extremists. Not just physically, but also metally, politically. Pfff.....
It is not up to Islamic militias to protect churches, even if well intended. It is not up to them to decide who gets targeted by terror and who doesn't. If a Muslim wishes to protect his European society from Islamic terrorism, then he can join the police or the armed forces. This is the nature of 'integration'.

I kinda accepted that it will be difficult

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Well, it is not "islamophile" not to constantly rag on a group of people, even though there is a sizable portion of that population who are civil and respectable, just like everyone else non-Muslim.

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Honestly, I'd like to be introduced to this respectable population. For what I've seen in France, they make up what? 10% of the muslim population...

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For what I've seen in France

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Personal observation is not the same thing as truthful observation.

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Originally Posted by Meneldil

Honestly, I'd like to be introduced to this respectable population. For what I've seen in France, they make up what? 10% of the muslim population...

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Compared to the ethnic French population, where the respectable part is like 5% population, I'd say that's a good statistic....

Just thought I'd throw this out there...

Egyptian Muslims act as human shields for Coptic mass

Awesome, stick it to the radicals

They look like nice respectful Muslim members of the community. Any issues against those, Meneldil?

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Originally Posted by Beskar

They look like nice respectful Muslim members of the community. Any issues against those, Meneldil?

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i don't imagine there would be given the Mel was referring to france and not egypt.

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Originally Posted by Furunculus

i don't imagine there would be given the Mel was referring to france and not egypt.

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I can't seriously reply to this comment, without making 101 comments about 'France' in jest, akin to HoreTores'.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

I can't seriously reply to this comment, without making 101 comments about 'France' in jest, akin to HoreTores'.

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Well Furunculus made a fair point. The radical Islam that tends to emerge in second generation immigrants in western Europe is a whole different matter from the makeup of religious views within Islam in its historic heartlands.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Well Furunculus made a fair point. The radical Islam that tends to emerge in second generation immigrants in western Europe is a whole different matter from the makeup of religious views within Islam in its historic heartlands.

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Yeah that's true sadly. But at least here the ones who want to make the best out of it are getting increasingly vocal, Islamism is losing and badly. If I would do my best positive I'd say that the Islam is having it's enlightment as we speak and that it's only going to be slightly worse before things get better, Africa is screwed as always though

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Yeah that's true sadly. But at least here the ones who want to make the best out of it are getting increasingly vocal, Islamism is losing and badly. If I would do my best positive I'd say that the Islam is having it's enlightment as we speak and that it's only going to be slightly worse before things get better, Africa is screwed as always though

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*Insert hug smiley here*

So far no-one in europe has been put in camps yet either. Although we have gone as far as to put segments of the population under close watch for no reason other than their parentage/religion.

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Originally Posted by alh_p

So far no-one in europe has been put in camps yet either. Although we have gone as far as to put segments of the population under close watch for no reason other than their parentage.

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It's called screening. It's one of those damned if you do damned if you don't situations. If you want to be colour / age / gender blind you then end up wasting a vast amount of time and energy arresting 8 year olds / 90 year olds just to ensure that everyone is being equally treated. If you try to go for a subgroup based on age, gender, poverty level, education, geographical location, religion you will get accused of an -ism of one sort or other.

My father in the 1970's was often picked "randomly" for drugs searches as he had long hair and a beared (still does). He did ineffectually ague that drug smugglers might look less obviously like a hippie, but to no avail (hippies and biology PhDs do look very similar).

~:smoking:

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(hippies and biology PhDs do look very similar).

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You never know man, maybe he took a minor in botany, duuude.

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

It's called screening. It's one of those damned if you do damned if you don't situations.

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That's not quite how I'd describe those security cameras put up in Birmingham somewhere, but anyway.

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Originally Posted by alh_p

That's not quite how I'd describe those security camera's put up in Birmingham somewhere, but anyway.

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Somebody got to keep a close watch on that bloody foreigner Houllier...