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Originally Posted by The Stranger
Gender roles?
Children can be raised by a single father, and grow up well-adjusted.
Women can have careers and men can raise children.
A woman can be childless by choice, and sleep around with guys as her favorite pastime.
A dude can wear a prom dress and the lady can wear overalls.
None of these things makes me blink, but the idea that any of them are inherently wrong does disturb me. Gender roles are cultural norms, and that's fine for the majority, by choice. Others should be free to live the way they want.
How quaint.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
i like my women ready to be all domestic. and or rich then ill be domestic.
no one said i wasnt fair.
Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel about all cultural phenomena.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
Gender roles, rap music, Justin Bieber, religion.
Well if you want to ignore the modern scientific consensus fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
What's your impression of the modern scientific consensus?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
Also, do you care about the scientific consensus? :p
A few categories from the top of my head. Dress codes. Hair length. Gender colour coding. Several emotional differences ("big boys don't cry", for example. Girls are more emotional, except for anger and lust). Different salaries for the same job. That the mother is always better than the father for the child.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
Different treatment about sexuality: Slut, whore, wench, tramp etc. Male equivalents are?
A tricky one is "female jobs", since they were established during a time were women were forbidden to take anything else (nurse, small school teacher).
If Nature is dominant over Nurture, then how are different parenting metods able to have an effect on child's behaviour? I don't see why the Nature crowd is up in arms, if they are right then the Nurture crowd will be completely ineffectual and this whole argument is pointless.
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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Do you really mean consensus or rather the dominant voice of published articles?
You are as aware as anyone how these shift from time to time.
I have no problem with not fixing gender roles by parenting methods as long as the children are exposed to a verity of choices allowing them to pick what is best for them.
However, there is much room for misunderstanding and those who are willing to stilt the evidence.
agree?
disagree?
Yes, there is a bias in favor of publishing articles that show gender differences, an example of the file drawer effect.
Every study has an hypothesis. Admittedly, sometimes I wish it would be simple just to go "Chemical A with Chemical B, let's see what happens!" then just document the effects without a clear and specific hypothesis.
A particular problem with research in general and social research in this particular instance is publication bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Studies showing a significant effect get published. Studies showing no effect tend to be pushed into a file drawer, hence the File-Drawer Effect.
Further complications arise when another study is published showing a significant result in the opposite direction.
Researchers also know that to be publish they need something significant. Study parameters may be set to show some conclusion they wish to reach. This means that studies themselves require careful research before being taken at face value.Quote:
Simple example: Study shows- Coffee is bad for you. New Study shows- Coffee is good for you.
You may never know that the first study was sponsored by the tea trade and the second by the coffee industry and several studies reach no conclusions, along with propertied unpublished studies.
World views and political expedients can also effect a studies acceptance or rejection and pretext for giving more weight to a particular study at the expense of another is never in shot supply.
Judging consensus can also be complicated by many of the same issues.
It doesn’t mean that any study can be dismissed out of hand but it does mean that most should be approached with a dose of healthy skepticism.
Long version on the topic: http://www.scientificexploration.org..._1_scargle.pdf
wiki version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publication_bias
The problem is most people don't have the scientific know how to read a study
For the sake of this forum that means if you disagree with me YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG