The Desire To Protect "Culture"

apparently 5% of france can force the rest of the populace into a religious theocracy, I learn new things everyday.

I woke up this morning, put on my american clothes (jeans) and had my first cup of Indonesian coffee(Java). Then I read an american newspaper(WSJ) on my american designed iPad. I then drove to a lecture in my german car(Opel), listening to the radio, who played a song by the norwegian band Big Bang, who plays an american genre(rock) and sings in english. When I arrived, I had my breakfast, which was a piece of meat between to slices of bread, which is a german meal. During the lecture, we debated three theorists. One french(piaget), one american(dewey) and one russian(vygotskij). After that, I watched an american sitcom (Seinfeld). And now I'm writing in english on an international forum.

Yes, the norwegian culture is under pressure from outside forces. But it's not from the arab world, and it aint bad at all.

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Originally Posted by Leet Eriksson

apparently 5% of france can force the rest of the populace into a religious theocracy

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No, no, they can't.

And we must do everything we can to ensure it stays that way. :yes:

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

I woke up this morning, put on my american clothes (jeans) and had my first cup of Indonesian coffee(Java). Then I read an american newspaper(WSJ) on my american designed iPad. I then drove to a lecture in my german car(Opel), listening to the radio, who played a song by the norwegian band Big Bang, who plays an american genre(rock) and sings in english. When I arrived, I had my breakfast, which was a piece of meat between to slices of bread, which is a german meal. During the lecture, we debated three theorists. One french(piaget), one american(dewey) and one russian(vygotskij). After that, I watched an american sitcom (Seinfeld). And now I'm writing in english on an international forum.

Yes, the norwegian culture is under pressure from outside forces. But it's not from the arab world, and it aint bad at all.

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Wait...you can learn about Piaget without having a million Frenchies spout their graffitti over your cities? And you can drink Indonesian coffee and drive a German car without having to import a million immigrants from each?

Send it to the multiculturalists! They must know this!

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Wait...you can learn about Piaget without having a million Frenchies spout their graffitti over your cities? And you can drink Indonesian coffee and drive a German car without having to import a million immigrants from each?

Send it to the multiculturalists! They must know this!

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Graffiti? You mean the practice that was exported from the hiphop subculture in New York?

I wouldn't mind it much if a million new yorkers moved here.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

I woke up this morning, put on my american clothes (jeans) and had my first cup of Indonesian coffee(Java). Then I read an american newspaper(WSJ) on my american designed iPad. I then drove to a lecture in my german car(Opel), listening to the radio, who played a song by the norwegian band Big Bang, who plays an american genre(rock) and sings in english. When I arrived, I had my breakfast, which was a piece of meat between to slices of bread, which is a german meal. During the lecture, we debated three theorists. One french(piaget), one american(dewey) and one russian(vygotskij). After that, I watched an american sitcom (Seinfeld). And now I'm writing in english on an international forum.

Yes, the norwegian culture is under pressure from outside forces. But it's not from the arab world, and it aint bad at all.

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No you don't understand, the immigrant hordes are at the gates! the only solution is to marginalize them even further and implement moronic measures to further alienate them.

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Originally Posted by Leet Eriksson

No you don't understand, the immigrant hordes are at the gates! the only solution is to marginalize them even further and implement moronic measures to further alienate them.

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One thing the right wingers never want to talk about, is that they said the same thing 20 years ago about east asians(primarily vietnamese).

It didn't happen then, it won't happen now. What problems we have now will be solved, just like we solved the problems with the vietnamese, who as a group now beats ethnic norwegians when it comes to things like employment and education.

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Originally Posted by Subotan

lol wut

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Ever watched TV? Listened to today's music? Ate any 'modern' dishes? Read any of today's books? It's safe to say culture is dead, only nobody noticed it was.

^:laugh4: @ your new sig...

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

I woke up this morning, put on my american clothes (jeans) and had my first cup of Indonesian coffee(Java). Then I read an american newspaper(WSJ) on my american designed iPad. I then drove to a lecture in my german car(Opel), listening to the radio, who played a song by the norwegian band Big Bang, who plays an american genre(rock) and sings in english. When I arrived, I had my breakfast, which was a piece of meat between to slices of bread, which is a german meal. During the lecture, we debated three theorists. One french(piaget), one american(dewey) and one russian(vygotskij). After that, I watched an american sitcom (Seinfeld). And now I'm writing in english on an international forum.

Yes, the norwegian culture is under pressure from outside forces. But it's not from the arab world, and it aint bad at all.

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I remember my first meme

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Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

Ever watched TV? Listened to today's music? Ate any 'modern' dishes? Read any of today's books? It's safe to say culture is dead, only nobody noticed it was.

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What's the difference between today's music and music from any other time period, or food, or TV, or books?

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Originally Posted by Noncommunist

What's the difference between today's music and music from any other time period, or food, or TV, or books?

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The fact that it's all trash now, never listened to what's on the radio then?

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Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

^:laugh4: @ your new sig...

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The mods hated it and slapped it with a warning, I thought it was funny as well, I got three mod pm's within the hour about it, nobody would have cared if it was a picture of France or Belgium, other countries attacked in the blitzkrieg, pretty childish it is. Anyway, this might be more something for the watchtower.

It is the British wot done it!

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Thursday 14 April 2011 by Formelia Alberthine
Mass Migration only ruined by British society, insist immigrants



British society is the only thing ruining what is an otherwise perfectly pleasant place to come and take the blame for a country’s social and economic struggles, according to immigrants polled by pressure group, Liberty.

The poll was commissioned in the wake of Prime Minister David Cameron’s claim that immigrants systematically refuse to congregate at the cluttered bosom of Mother Britannia with their steadfast refusal to learn enough English to realise just how much their neighbours hate them.
A thousand immigrants, supposedly contributing to the erosion of British pastimes such as fish and chips by the seaside and urinating in the street, were asked what was the worst thing about living in Britain with all answering ‘British society’.

Immigrant Rajesh Sharma explained, “You know, we get that when we are given our three bed room semi-detached house and weekly citizen eclipsing allowances, it’s not really ‘free’.”
“Life among the British society is the debt that we pay.”
“We must be prepared for the most horrendous abuse from the nation when everything goes tits up on the job front, and shoulder the blame that would otherwise be directed at the government.”
“They come knocking at our doors instead saying oh ‘you take our jobs, you take our jobs,’ waving sticks and wanting to kill us.”
“But that’s not true. We don’t take your jobs, we just take the benefits paid for by taxes taken from you. That’s very different.”


Immigration debate

Liberty’s Shami Chakrabarti said the prime minister’s comments showed a misappropriation of accountability akin to blaming a family of squirrels for nibbling on the nuts that had been left out for them the night before.
She said, “It’s outrageous. He says that he wants immigrants to be more ‘British’ when they come here.”
“Yet he gets all angry when they arrive and abuse the benefits system – I mean, what could be more British than that?”


http://newsthump.com/2011/04/14/mass...st-immigrants/

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:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

One thing the right wingers never want to talk about, is that they said the same thing 20 years ago about east asians(primarily vietnamese).

It didn't happen then, it won't happen now. What problems we have now will be solved

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Probably, over here it's all pretty cozy really Dutch muslims rock, in Belgium and France it's absolutely grim though. Mind you, what is true now was also true 20 years ago, only on a different scale

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

I woke up this morning, put on my american clothes (jeans) and had my first cup of Indonesian coffee(Java). Then I read an american newspaper(WSJ) on my american designed iPad. I then drove to a lecture in my german car(Opel), listening to the radio, who played a song by the norwegian band Big Bang, who plays an american genre(rock) and sings in english. When I arrived, I had my breakfast, which was a piece of meat between to slices of bread, which is a german meal. During the lecture, we debated three theorists. One french(piaget), one american(dewey) and one russian(vygotskij). After that, I watched an american sitcom (Seinfeld). And now I'm writing in english on an international forum.

Yes, the norwegian culture is under pressure from outside forces. But it's not from the arab world, and it aint bad at all.

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German, really?

Odd, I thought that was invented by an English Aristocrat.

Anyway....

The issue is not simply whether immigrants are welcome, it is whether or not we A: need them or B: have room for them.

People sidestep these questions in favour of absurd left/right charicatures. At least Cameron's speech was relatively restrained.

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I wouldn't mind it much if a million new yorkers moved here.

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Yes. Yes you would.

I live in the City and I wouldn't wish a million of these savages on my worst enemies. Filthy, rude, ignorant people. :clown:

/end stereotype

Okay but seriously you wouldn't want a million of those SOB's

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

German, really?

Odd, I thought that was invented by an English Aristocrat.

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yes, that's why it's called "english aristocrater", not "hamburger"...







No, wait.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

yes, that's why it's called "english aristocrater", not "hamburger"...





No, wait.

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Oh.... you mean the thing the Romans ate at the Games?

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Oh.... you mean the thing the Romans ate at the Games?

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No, the romans didn't mince their meat that way.

Got a little headbreaker for you by the way Horetore, as you probably know we have the most rightwing government we ever had, many a member of the parlement would get banned here. And guess what people are more positive about immigrants. Open discussion is good even when it can be nasty, it's liberating. The left never allowed it.

Of course open discussion is good! Free and open speech and discussion leads to enlightenment and destroys hatred, bigotry and fear.

This has always been my position. What makes you think I thought otherwise....?

I've posted this before, but I feel like bring it up again:

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Originally Posted by Justice Louis D. Brandeis

Those who won our independence believed that the final end of the State was to make men free to develop their faculties; and that in its government the deliberative forces should prevail over the arbitrary. They valued liberty both as an end and as a means. They believed liberty to be the secret of happiness and courage to be the secret of liberty. They believed that freedom to think as you will and to speak as you think are means indispensable to the discovery and spread of political truth; that without free speech and assembly discussion would be futile; that with them, discussion affords ordinarily adequate protection against the dissemination of noxious doctrine; that the greatest menace to freedom is an inert people; that public discussion is a political duty; and that this should be a fundamental principle of the American government.

Men feared witches and burnt women. It is the function of speech to free men from the bondage of irrational fears.

Those who won our independence by revolution were not cowards. They did not fear political change. They did not exalt order at the cost of liberty. To courageous, self-reliant men, with confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government, no danger flowing from speech can be deemed clear and present, unless the incidence of the evil apprehended is so imminent that it may befall before there is opportunity for full discussion. If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.

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....which is my position as well, but written more eloquently than I could ever hope to do.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Of course open discussion is good! Free and open speech and discussion leads to enlightenment and destroys hatred, bigotry and fear.

This has always been my position. What makes you think I thought otherwise....?

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Because the left will never abandon their ideological fortress, open discussion within the very confined space that is solemny granted, well it just doesn't work all that well you see. Only a psychopath wishes upon others any harm, would be great if people would get that first.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Because the left will never abandon their ideological fortress, open discussion within the very confined space that is solemny granted, well it just doesn't work all that well you see. Only a psychopath wishes upon others any harm, would be great if people would get that first.

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I am most certainly a part of the "left", Frags. And yet I am fully capable of holding the views outlined above. In fact, the primary reason as to why I identify myself as being "left" is because of those views.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

I am most certainly a part of the "left", Frags. And yet I am fully capable of holding the views outlined above. In fact, the primary reason as to why I identify myself as being "left" is because of those views.

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I am pretty sure you know some with that mindset, wasn't directed at you personaly although you are a bit of a serial-relativator

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...d-Britain.html

Yep, I'm disturbed.

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Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

Ever watched TV?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

Listened to today's music?

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Yes, and yes if you want something classical. Finish listening to them both.

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Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

Ate any 'modern' dishes?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

Read any of today's books?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

It's safe to say culture is dead, only nobody noticed it was.

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"Narrow minds devoid of imagination. Intolerance, theories cut off from reality, empty terminology, usurped ideals, inflexible systems. Those are the things that really frighten me. What I absolutely fear and loathe." - Haruki Murakami

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

just like we solved the problems with the vietnamese, who as a group now beats ethnic norwegians when it comes to things like employment and education.

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I'm sorry, how is this meant to endear native Europeans to the idea of immigration? All it does is create a feeling of animosity, "let us in, we'll do better than you!", as soon a the native population percieves this to be a dominant trend in society, tolerance very quickly goe's tits up. HM Government should not be in the business of providing some kind of self betterment course for immigrants, it should stick to working for the betterment of Britons, something which it has done exceedingly poorly. Telling me that immigrants have done financially well in the last 30 years means bugger all when more and more of the British working class fall into the welfare underclass.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

I am pretty sure you know some with that mindset, wasn't directed at you personaly although you are a bit of a serial-relativator

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I know plenty with that mindset, and I argue with such people almost daily. But to say that this idea is limited to the left is a lie, this is just as common on the right.

A nice red herring to slap in peoples faces is to tell them you plan to walk around with some other nations flag on May 17th. That will reveal the true colours of every Norwegian. And its sad to say, that the freedom of others to express themselves freely isn't something we care that much about. Apparently, I have the right to express myself however I want as long as it pleases the nationalist mob.

@bopa: I consider a government that tries to better one ethnic group above other to be a rqcit government. I do not believe that the english govenment should work to improve the lives of the ethnic english, instead I believe the english govenment should try to better humanity. And the same goes for all other governments.

And for the record: the vietnamese situation didn't resolve itself through massive government spending, time was all that was needed, the situation resolved itself. Just like the muslim situation will too.