The Bashar al-Assad Betting Game

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Originally Posted by drone

Since the US is becoming more and more fundie Christian, then why do we need to worry about the Fed, the Rothschilds, or Zionist commies? It's either one or the other. :inquisitive:

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Apparently, the government isn't. Two examples:

- David Axelrod, (one of Obama's 2 closest advisors) grandson of Lev Bronstein aka Trotsky, leader of the phalanx within communism that wanted a "world revolution", i.e. no part of the world would be left out from the communist system, i.e. there would be nowhere on earth where people would be tolerated to have another system, than bolshevism, Gulags, and all the rest.

- John Holdren (Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology - informally known as the United States' Science Czar). This cozy guy co-authored a book in 1977, where he says that:
* Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not
* The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food
* Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise
* People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized
* A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.

Then we may check, who is Mubarak Hussein Osama's biggest campaign contributor - Goldman-Sachs, cute little Lloyd Blankfein-boy. By the way, Goldman-Sachs also are the biggest campaign contributors of the other side too.

"When we are successful, and we will be muahahaha"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

trolololololol

Always loved the works of Thomas Hobbes. The Leviathan, really.

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Originally Posted by truth1337

"When we are successful, and we will be muahahaha"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

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I prefer this version myself.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

trolololololol

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I'll just quote one of my favorite poems in response to that. Basically, please look it up and show me that it is not true - I'd welcome it!

You may not like it but it's true. Yeah, the truth is an unfortunate thing. The truth is a pain in the ***. The truth is uncomfortable and downright unpleasant. The truth is not welcome in the house. The truth can sleep under the bridge abutment. The truth can take a hike. **** the truth. I don't want no part of the truth. The truth is dangerous. The truth can get me in trouble. The truth can mess up my life. The truth can get in the way of my appetites and desires because I live for the commands of my stomach and my ****. Crucify the truth! Crucify the truth! Such is the cry of outrage and anger from those whom the truth convicts. Such is the nature of those who live and profit from misery and lies.
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I don't want to say these things. I don't want to get up out of my warm bed and apply myself to the kind of thing that has never granted a warm bed or a welcome hearth. I don't want to do it but I have no choice. I will not look back on my life and say in the shamed confinement of my imprisoned heart that I was a coward and a traitor to every good and decent quality that I did not have the courage to seek after and possess. I will not turn my eyes away from the terror, the harm, the suffering and abuse of my fellows at the hands of conscienceless beasts. They are not human, whatever else they may be. They are not human and I will call what I see. They do not rule over me.

Yeah, what about it? Prove me wrong. [...] Show me where all of this is not true. I hunger for it not to be. Shall it go on and on forever? Shall it never end? So long as the much, much vaster numbers of humanity submit, it will continue. On that you may depend. What is it that spellbinds the minds of so many of you? What is this force that makes you doubt what is right before your eyes? What is this power that can hypnotize?

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Originally Posted by drone

I prefer this version myself.

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You sir, have good taste!

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Originally Posted by truth1337

I'll just quote one of my favorite poems in response to that. Basically, please look it up and show me that it is not true - I'd welcome it!

You may not like it but it's true. Yeah, the truth is an unfortunate thing. The truth is a pain in the ***. The truth is uncomfortable and downright unpleasant. The truth is not welcome in the house. The truth can sleep under the bridge abutment. The truth can take a hike. **** the truth. I don't want no part of the truth. The truth is dangerous. The truth can get me in trouble. The truth can mess up my life. The truth can get in the way of my appetites and desires because I live for the commands of my stomach and my ****. Crucify the truth! Crucify the truth! Such is the cry of outrage and anger from those whom the truth convicts. Such is the nature of those who live and profit from misery and lies.
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I don't want to say these things. I don't want to get up out of my warm bed and apply myself to the kind of thing that has never granted a warm bed or a welcome hearth. I don't want to do it but I have no choice. I will not look back on my life and say in the shamed confinement of my imprisoned heart that I was a coward and a traitor to every good and decent quality that I did not have the courage to seek after and possess. I will not turn my eyes away from the terror, the harm, the suffering and abuse of my fellows at the hands of conscienceless beasts. They are not human, whatever else they may be. They are not human and I will call what I see. They do not rule over me.

Yeah, what about it? Prove me wrong. [...] Show me where all of this is not true. I hunger for it not to be. Shall it go on and on forever? Shall it never end? So long as the much, much vaster numbers of humanity submit, it will continue. On that you may depend. What is it that spellbinds the minds of so many of you? What is this force that makes you doubt what is right before your eyes? What is this power that can hypnotize?

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Another sex starved social retard joins the ranks.

Vuk will be along shortly with your gift bag and T-shirt

First they came for the liberal communist zionist feministas.

And I did not speak....because I am not a liberal communist zionist feminista.

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Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

First they came for the liberal communist zionist feministas.

And I did not speak....because I am not a liberal communist zionist feminista.

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Then they came for the Paultards and the 9/11 Truthers.

And I did not speak ... for I was not a Paultard or a Truther ...

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Originally Posted by Lemur

Then they came for the Paultards and the 9/11 Truthers.

And I did not speak ... for I was not a Paultard or a Truther ...

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There needs to be an option for a "double thanks" with two thumbs up instead of one.

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Originally Posted by truth1337

Apparently, the government isn't. Two examples:

- David Axelrod, (one of Obama's 2 closest advisors) grandson of Lev Bronstein aka Trotsky, leader of the phalanx within communism that wanted a "world revolution", i.e. no part of the world would be left out from the communist system, i.e. there would be nowhere on earth where people would be tolerated to have another system, than bolshevism, Gulags, and all the rest.

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Oh man. First, the US is far, far from going commie.

Second, condemning people because of their ancestors without anything else is a quite dubious methods. Children are not their parents parrots, no matter how much some wants them to be.

Third and most damning. That fact checking sucks. There exist more than one David Axelrod in the world. Obama's advisor was born 1955 and the descendant of Trotsky was born in 1961.

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Originally Posted by truth1337

- John Holdren (Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology - informally known as the United States' Science Czar). This cozy guy co-authored a book in 1977, where he says that:
* Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not
* The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food
* Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise
* People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized
* A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.

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It was a big scare of overpopulation in the seventies and the book is pretty much if worst comes to worst, then these are possible messurements that could be taken in countries without normal control. It's simular to a defense plan against an invasion from the Fourth Realm of the Democratic Republic of United Europe on US soil, even if John Holdren probably thought that severe overpopulation was a more realistic scenario at the time. The issue is looking to resolve itself longterm, thanks to those evil feminists and their focus on giving women the abillity to choose the family size by themselves btw, even if higher food yield is the big reason on why starvation is dropping and the predicted crisis never came.

The single mothers thing has to do with unwanted children, not a general policy.
The contribution to social deterioration that's made is having a lot of children. Nothing else.
The planetary regime is supposed to control the birth population on a global scale. Since the bedroom is intimate, you can misquote like that if you want to.

It's still not exactly the best 1000 pages book written (quite radical and dubious), and I would not give a 30 year old John Holdren ultimate power. 35 years later, with control on what he's doing and if he's been quite competent after that? Yes, he can be considered.

Dead apparantly, it was the Ghadaffi

What?

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Originally Posted by Hax

What?

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Well that, I don't know anything more than you do but he's probably dead

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Originally Posted by Hax

What?

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http://www.businessinsider.com/a-bun...medium=twitter

Fake.

Never mind.

You know how reliable Fragony's news sources are.

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Originally Posted by Tiaexz

You know how reliable Fragony's news sources are.

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Has the word 'apparently' suddenly become an aquired taste, I never realised it lost it's original meaning

@Montmorency, I noticed you always vote on every post that's directed against me, you aren't very good with words yourself are you, do you stutter

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@Montmorency, I noticed you always vote on every post that's directed against me, you aren't very good with words yourself are you, do you stutter

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I've handed out 86 thanks, in total.

You are, apparently, a narcissist in addition to a paranoiac with persecutory delusions.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind completing an MMPI form?

In other news, the Syrian prime minister has defected to Jordan.

If Assad doesn't retake Aleppo soon, he might as well start looking for a place to spend his years in exile.

Ain't nowhere to go, I'm afraid. Maybe Latin America?

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Originally Posted by Hax

In other news, the Syrian prime minister has defected to Jordan.

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Probably over then

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I've handed out 86 thanks, in total.

You are, apparently, a narcissist in addition to a paranoiac with persecutory delusions.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind completing an MMPI form?

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I am also able to pinpoint you within 2 meters and a 30 minutes margin mia muca

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Originally Posted by Hax

Ain't nowhere to go, I'm afraid. Maybe Latin America?

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That's a good idea. I bet Chavez will welcome him.

What about Moscow or Tehran as places to retire?

Iranian 'Pilgrims' and Syrian Assassinations

When the 'suicide bomber' got several senior Government and Military personnel in Damascus last month (Gen Daoud Rajiha etc) it became pretty clear that some insider must have tipped off the bomber and those behind this. You do not get at three such senior Government sources in a time of civil war without being told in advance where and when they are going to be.

More recently we have these Iranian 'pilgrims' being taken 'hostage' in Damascus... The claim that they were 'pilgrims' in the first place I found amusing. It is not Hadj time and Damascus is not Mecca. Nor is it a significant religious time for ANY of the Shi'ite Immans. Besides any of that who seriously goes on a pilgrimage to a country in the middle of a civil war? I am a Catholic and wouldn't visit Rome if the Italians were shooting at each other... So the suggestion was that these 'pilgrims' were in fact Quds (the foreign operations section of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps... the people who fund Hezbollah etc). Well yesterday, after just pledging support for Assad, the Iranians admitted that some of the 'pilgrims' were in fact 'retired' Quds personnel... Well these elderly 'ex - Qudists' just happened to be on a 'pilgrimage' in a war torn city at a time of no religious significance... Sure.

All of which leads me to the conclusion that upto the point when these 'pilgrims' were grabbed the inside informer within the Syrian Government was still in place. How else do the 'rebels' know that a Quds party is in Damascus and where and when it will be? Assad may have done some 'clearing house' after the suicide bomb attack but now he will be under pressure from his Iranian friends to conduct a thorough witch hunt...

@ Noncommunist; If Assad leaves he loses. Russia will not take him as they will have play friendly with any future regime to keep their naval base.

The Gaddafi -

He may well retreat to allawite heartland that is impervious to rebel advance, but the outside world will provide the necessary spur be that by cruise-missile or truck bomb in order to see business concluded.

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What about Moscow or Tehran as places to retire?

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Hmm, I don't think Iran is going to invite Assad over if he loses his country. They've got enough trouble as it is.

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More recently we have these Iranian 'pilgrims' being taken 'hostage' in Damascus... The claim that they were 'pilgrims' in the first place I found amusing. It is not Hadj time and Damascus is not Mecca. Nor is it a significant religious time for ANY of the Shi'ite Immans. Besides any of that who seriously goes on a pilgrimage to a country in the middle of a civil war? I am a Catholic and wouldn't visit Rome if the Italians were shooting at each other... So the suggestion was that these 'pilgrims' were in fact Quds (the foreign operations section of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps... the people who fund Hezbollah etc). Well yesterday, after just pledging support for Assad, the Iranians admitted that some of the 'pilgrims' were in fact 'retired' Quds personnel... Well these elderly 'ex - Qudists' just happened to be on a 'pilgrimage' in a war torn city at a time of no religious significance... Sure.

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Who knows. I don't think you appreciate or understand the position of the ahl al-bayt within Shi‘a communities. Quite some important people are buried in Damascus, and pilgrimage to these spots has nothing to do with the hajj itself.

Just looking for a bit of clarity.

The war is often portrayed as a popular uprising against Assad; while flicking through the web I came across one article that suggests otherwise.

The contention was essentially that 40% of Syria's pop. is made up of numerous minorities, none of whom were active or engaged in the uprising. So is the civil war a changing of the guard among the elite; or a popular uprising?