You just have a fear of muscular women.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Women will always feel unequal unless they have all the same advantages of men. If you don't think so then you haven't talked to a lot of women.
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You just have a fear of muscular women.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Women will always feel unequal unless they have all the same advantages of men. If you don't think so then you haven't talked to a lot of women.
Fair enough. I can even give you an answer on your question. Yes, it would be worth higher unemployment to remove the systematic oppression your suggestion would create. What I'm saying is that due to how the world works, I'm not choising between those two options. And even if it was, earlier retirement age would be a much more fair system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
Yep, it's earliest and most obvious alpha behavior (that's why it gets less obvious or dies out, except fo regions that are or feels insecure). Notice that it applies to both genders. That's why the evil girls are sexy (although the enforcement that only evil girls can be that kind of sexy is probably from the church's "sex is evil" thing). That many of that type has poor self-control and are powerjunkies makes them bad partners though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan
And that's why most feminists are talking about freedom as an induvidual, instead of a gender. How to put it. If the mother stays at home with the child, it fine. If the father does it, it should be equally fine, outside the bias right after birth due to the mother recovering from the pregnancy. It should not be influenced by genderbiased laws, salaries or neighbours.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Of course it's gonna take a while and you'll have problem areas, in for example jobs requiring very high physical strength (since they will be very male biased by default), but that should sort out in time.
what bullshit is that... do not presume to know my taste of women.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan
we cannot ever be truly equal (not the general gender stereotypes of man and woman, even less so individuals where there exist an even larger wealth of difference)... women can give birth for example as you have already noticed. what if we make everyone "physically" equal, then women still have the burden or the gift to give birth, to carry their child into the world.
we cannot become equal by some artificial way of "eliminating" physical (and what about mental?) differences, true emancipation is learning to live with the differences, to eliminate them by not making them matter anymore, not to make everyone a clone of each other, that is not only impossible, it is also, atleast imo, not desirable...
i have talked to plenty of women, to take an example from my own life, i know a woman who wants to have a career, her head is telling her that it is also the wisest thing to do, yet she also says that her body is craving to become pregnant and to raise a little kid, something that she feels even more strongly whenever she sees a little baby. please enlighten me as to how we can ever become equal in this regard? and why this is even remotely important... or to talk about my sisters, they are both beautiful women, they are also both very muscular (pro basketball players both). In fact, they are both more muscular than I am, i have a quite slender build. I dont see why my sisters would be more equal to men than my girlfriend who is slender as well (or any other non-muscular woman in that case) just because they happen to be muscular. Why is this important for both having equal value in the eyes of the law, in the eyes of society, and in the eyes of each other? Equality is not eliminating all difference, it is applying the same value to people or animals or things for that matter, despite the differences. To say that I am your equal does not say that i am your exact replica or that I have exactly the same abilities or potential as you do, it is saying that all of that does not matter.
what you are proposing is like trying to eliminate all forms of racial discrimination and tension by painting ever person one color, because negroes will always feel inferior to whites as longs as they do not have the same skin color...
i would agree with that, but its not what shaka is proposing... what hes saying is basically to create just 1 gender. and he claims it as feminist, while it is imo not feminist at all (atleast not what modern feminists want afaik). Instead of focusing and highlighting the fact that while woman and man are different they both have their qualities, hes basically saying men are superior and the only way for women to catch up is to artificially buff their bodies so that we can all be equal. thats not what equality is, thats eliminating all difference, it is pure totalitarianism.Quote:
And that's why most feminists are talking about freedom as an induvidual, instead of a gender. How to put it. If the mother stays at home with the child, it fine. If the father does it, it should be equally fine, outside the bias right after birth due to the mother recovering from the pregnancy. It should not be influenced by genderbiased laws, salaries or neighbours.
Of course it's gonna take a while and you'll have problem areas, in for example jobs requiring very high physical strength (since they will be very male biased by default), but that should sort out in time.