An apology to JAG dirested by Saturnas

Goofball: Consider the relative age difference between you and Capo and then ask yourself if you REALLY want to continue a debate with him.

proof you despise me.

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Originally Posted by Demon of Light

Goofball: Consider the relative age difference between you and Capo and then ask yourself if you REALLY want to continue a debate with him.

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But that's exactly the point, Demon. It would be easy to just say to myself "Oh, he's only a kid who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, and therefore he's not worth my time so I'll just ignore him."

But I think that's one of the problems with how young people are treated today, and why so many of them grow up to feel (at best) disenfranchised or (at worst) helpless and violent. In fact, I think Capo is one of the people in the Org who are most worth my time debating with, because he is young enough that some of his views may still be changed.

So, I will continue to debate with Capo. When he expresses points of view that I disagree with, I will say so and challenge him on his ideas. When he says something that I believe is "beyond the pale" (i.e. something that I believe to be racist or hateful), I will clearly and firmly tell him why I believe those kind of remarks are unacceptable, just as I would do with any young person I was having a discussion with.

Right now he thinks I hate and despise him, because he doesn't realize that disapproving of things he says is not the same as disapproving of him. I'm hoping he will figure that difference out soon.

I know the difference, however, after a point, it has become obvious that you hate me and all i beleive in. I don't really care, but at least admit it.

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Originally Posted by Goofball

In that case no. You want to know why Dave? Two reasons:

1) I didn't say you were a racist, I said your remarks were racist.

2) Your remarks were, undoubtedly, very racist.

I have, however, been issued warnings for using such a violent and destructive weapon as sarcasm.

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IN what way did I construde anything racist? It appears to me for you to come to that conclusion from what I said must mean that you yourself has inner beliefs that would bring you to a conclusion of racism on my part. Maybe you should take a closer look into your heart. Once again, this shows that liberals can call people racist or whatever in these forums and not get so much as a look from certain mods. You have to flat out call someone Hitler (if its a liberal doing the name calling or labeling) to have ANYTHING done to you. You and JAG called me a racist, and no matter which way you or JAG or Sat spin it, you guys did it and got away with it. Congratulations.

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Originally Posted by Goofball

But that's exactly the point, Demon. It would be easy to just say to myself "Oh, he's only a kid who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, and therefore he's not worth my time so I'll just ignore him."

But I think that's one of the problems with how young people are treated today, and why so many of them grow up to feel (at best) disenfranchised or (at worst) helpless and violent. In fact, I think Capo is one of the people in the Org who are most worth my time debating with, because he is young enough that some of his views may still be changed.

So, I will continue to debate with Capo. When he expresses points of view that I disagree with, I will say so and challenge him on his ideas. When he says something that I believe is "beyond the pale" (i.e. something that I believe to be racist or hateful), I will clearly and firmly tell him why I believe those kind of remarks are unacceptable, just as I would do with any young person I was having a discussion with.

Right now he thinks I hate and despise him, because he doesn't realize that disapproving of things he says is not the same as disapproving of him. I'm hoping he will figure that difference out soon.

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And Capo, if you don't change your views, you are a racist and will not be allowed to post in the Tavern again... ~:)

Saturnus is not the .orgs top power if he had made an unfair decision those above him could correct this and his equals could also complain

if you think you are being treated unfairly try sending a PM to Tosa hes a pretty nice guy and pretty fair also (though i think the same about sat when you do not)

don't mean this as i think sats decision was unfair...

personally i like dave and his opinions (well being mostly wrong ~;) ) are usually entertaining and i'd like to see him back, but thats why im not a moderator I not the .org come first....

Ooh! Ooh! As long as we're disecting everyone's opinion of everyone and everything-- what do you all think of me??

:kiss2:

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Originally Posted by Del Arroyo

Ooh! Ooh! As long as we're disecting everyone's opinion of everyone and everything-- what do you all think of me??

:kiss2:

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What the ... ?

And saying somebody shouldn't debate with soembody because they're too young is just wrong. I wouldn't want to be treated that way.

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Originally Posted by Del Arroyo

Ooh! Ooh! As long as we're disecting everyone's opinion of everyone and everything-- what do you all think of me??

:kiss2:

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I think you're great!!! ~:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

I think you're great!!! ~:cheers:

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If he gets rid of that weird smiley I would agree with you. If not, hes just cool. :bow:

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Originally Posted by Del Arroyo

Ooh! Ooh! As long as we're disecting everyone's opinion of everyone and everything-- what do you all think of me??

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your name is intresting but your post count is really really small.....

Or maybe it's just that yours is really, really large...

This entire thread has become redundant and offensive, it should be closed.

I agree with TK, I said what I wanted said, only a couple of the mods participated in making the thread somewhat insightful to how they deal with stuff. I'll go back into my banishment...