Is RTW Still Worth 95%?

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Originally Posted by screwtype

Mohpa?

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Medal of Honor Pacific Assault.

OK, thanks ~:)

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Originally Posted by hellenes

The bottom line is that they keep things hardcoded so they can sell the expansion...

Hellenes

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I don't pretend to know why CA made some things easy to mod and other not. However, I can't see how selling an expansion is the reason anything is hardcoded. How many buyers do you suppose mod the game? Very few I'd bet. Over at TWC the RTR mod has less than 12,000 downloads. I'll grant you that 12,000 is a nice number for a mod but compared to Rome sales it is insignificant.

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Originally Posted by Nelson

I don't pretend to know why CA made some things easy to mod and other not. However, I can't see how selling an expansion is the reason anything is hardcoded. How many buyers do you suppose mod the game? Very few I'd bet. Over at TWC the RTR mod has less than 12,000 downloads. I'll grant you that 12,000 is a nice number for a mod but compared to Rome sales it is insignificant.

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But if they made the game with 0 hardcode the "mods" would be gigantic conversions literally different games and nobody would be bothered buying the expansion and vice versa...

Hellenes

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Originally Posted by hellenes

But if they made the game with 0 hardcode the "mods" would be gigantic conversions literally different games and nobody would be bothered buying the expansion and vice versa...

Hellenes

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If if if if

/neverhappen

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Originally Posted by Sundjata Keita

I don't know why people are just comparing it with MTW. That is not what the poll is asking. The 3d battles are amazing and much more spectacular than previous totalwar games. Everyone is saying MTW AI were amzing but they weren't that great - all they did in my game was run to the nearest hill and then charge cavalry down at me even if it was spearmen that were advancing on them.

Campaign has suffered a bit which brings down the rating to about 85-90% but the ability to mod brings it back up to 95-100%. Also (seen as I'm having a bit of a tantrum ~;) ) I'm sick of people saying that the ability to mod is even less in RTW than in previous games. Well of course it is because now the game has moved into 3d so it's no wonder that new people find it harder to mod. But overall I think it is less work once the model is complete rarther than having to make sprites.

Yes it has glitches but so does every other new game now and after nearly half a year it is still way better than any other game out there.

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Games that are rated 90% and higher must be without single bug, PERFECT.

Games rated above 80% can have few bugs, good replay value, good gameplay, graphics, sound...etc.

Rome:TW has very good graphics, very good sound, hundreads of bugs, low replay value and bad gameplay (ORIGINAL GAME).

So, some of u are giving this game high ratings because of what.
Or u find this game challenging and u lose every second battle????

This game is CRAP, BIG CRAP, thanx god for modders and RTR MOD, but even with RTR mod I just cant lose single battle.
I wanna be defetaed in some battles, not this SHIT.

Gamplay score is 10%, replay is also 10% only graphics/sound can get 95% and I dont play game because of graphic....

Wish I could change my vote. After doing some more testing. I'm ready to knock off another 10-15% for the AI and the trait problems that are leading to general stars imbalances.

I am just about to the point of punting. The AI is so hopeless that this just isn't fun, despite a lot of effort to make it so.

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Originally Posted by Red Harvest

Wish I could change my vote. After doing some more testing. I'm ready to knock off another 10-15% for the AI and the trait problems that are leading to general stars imbalances.

I am just about to the point of punting. The AI is so hopeless that this just isn't fun, despite a lot of effort to make it so.

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True enough. I wish I could vote 60% now.

It's annoying because with MTW I played it for a good 4 long and drawn out campaigns before I gave in and bought VI - which lasted until I'd played out the Viking campaign a few times and then went and enjoyed it again on the vanilla campaign; and then with MedMod that enhanced my enjoyoment ten fold.

With RTW the patch only got me to play it again for only a few days before throwing up my hands with disbelief. I sorely hope that EB can save this game, for otherwise we're going to be waiting for the XP; and though this might seem callous to say - I think that the EB mod is going to have more worthwhile content than the XP will.

Having just deleted the game in frank disgust, I'd only give it fifty percent. The people they had working on the AI? Geniuses. It takes enormous talent to be able to so comprehensively thwart the efforts of everyone else working on the game, and gradually wear down a mans ability to continue trying to mine the fun out the huge turd pile they've farted out.

It's one of those very, very few occassions where'd I'd actually tell them they're shit to their face, because everything else was so good. Campaign map, good. Models and textures, good. General game design, good. Absolutely every facet of the AI, from unit pathfinding all the way up to the campaign AI which they didn't so much make intelligent as throw infinite money at? A train wreck. An Indian train wreck, where hundreds of people were hanging onto the sides of it so the death toll is extra high. And the survivors got attacked by a herd of elephants.

My only regret is that there's no direct pipeline to them which they can read, so they know how low I rate their efforts. If the staff at my local McDonalds did this badly, I'd order a Big Tasty and get nothing but the top half of a bun and a punch in the face from the cashier.

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But if they made the game with 0 hardcode the "mods" would be gigantic conversions literally different games and nobody would be bothered buying the expansion and vice versa...

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Not quite. See: Half-Life

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Originally Posted by Khorak

It takes enormous talent to be able to so comprehensively thwart the efforts of everyone else working on the game, and gradually wear down a mans ability to continue trying to mine the fun out the huge turd pile they've farted out.

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ROFL
Quite a rant. ~:)
Well, that's the unforgiveable thing, really.
The capability and dedication of the fun-miners in the TW-community is astounding. Yet they constantly bruise their brilliant foreheads on arbitrary hardcodedness and limitations they encounter within this glorious turd pile called desire, and so - ultimately - despair.
:bigcry:

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Originally Posted by Khorak

Having just deleted the game in frank disgust, I'd only give it fifty percent. The people they had working on the AI? Geniuses. It takes enormous talent to be able to so comprehensively thwart the efforts of everyone else working on the game, and gradually wear down a mans ability to continue trying to mine the fun out the huge turd pile they've farted out.

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All I can say is, it's a good thing the guy who scored the game 0-5% didn't post :laugh4:

Best RTS ever bar none, true blue, through and through!!!

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Originally Posted by screwtype

All I can say is, it's a good thing the guy who scored the game 0-5% didn't post :laugh4:

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There are three possibilities as to the reasoning behind his rating, and I could enact them for you:
1) Click 5% because I don't like it and can't be bothered to actually put in the thought required to establish a reasoned percentage weighing up the pros and cons.
2) I'm an asshat, and think that it's funny somehow. Later I may eat all the crisps in the cupboard and cry myself to sleep.
3) Someone saw me leaving my house and called the police. I was stopped at the entrance to CA's building by about fifty armed police, and was killed after a three hour shootout (I packed a lot of rounds) when I took my final opportunity and stood up to throw a grenade through an open office window.

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I think it was probably option 2 but 3 is quite plausable also

did the nade make it into the window?

or was there severe lag?

I swear the CA Office map is totally Police biased.

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Originally Posted by Colovion

True enough. I wish I could vote 60% now.

It's annoying because with MTW I played it for a good 4 long and drawn out campaigns before I gave in and bought VI - which lasted until I'd played out the Viking campaign a few times and then went and enjoyed it again on the vanilla campaign; and then with MedMod that enhanced my enjoyoment ten fold.

With RTW the patch only got me to play it again for only a few days before throwing up my hands with disbelief. I sorely hope that EB can save this game, for otherwise we're going to be waiting for the XP; and though this might seem callous to say - I think that the EB mod is going to have more worthwhile content than the XP will.

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Just what do you think EB is going to bring to the table? Sure, it'll look brilliant and bring its own unique brand of modding to the table but don't forget there is only so much any modder can do before they run face first into the code.

Modder > :wall: < RTW's hard coded limitations

RTR is a brilliant mod and EB looks to be even moreso but neither of them will be able to address the core issues many of us have been complaining about.

I still can't get over the sad state of RTW's tactical AI. It's an incredibly depressing feeling to load up a Total War campaign game knowing that the only way you can truly be challenged is by Auto-calcing all the battles!

I enjoy playing rome and a few bad points aside it is an awesome game and any one who deletes the game from their hard drive is insane to be honest. Even as a modder for medieval i rarely go back to it nowadays because Rome is a better game and i enjoy playing it more