Is R:TW better then Medieval?

That's odd Musashi. I had pretty good results with swords in MTW. I used them vs. spear units with good success. Pikes and halbardiers were tougher. Pikemen were missile bait. Halbardiers were godawful slow. Swords were good in the woods. Frontally hitting spears with cav was a bad idea in MTW, but from the rear they were torn up. Urban militia were easy to kill, but Almohad Urban Militia were always tough.

The relative unit sizes in MTW made swords a bit tougher. But spearmen morale was quite low so they routed if you flanked them (halbardiers too.) In MTW I brought balanced forces. I don't need that in RTW, just cav primarily. Swords are "dogmeat" for cav in RTW as well. I guess if you really hate pikes and spears, RTW would be clearly superior.

We each have our own tastes. ~;)

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Originally Posted by Musashi

There's no way you could do that in Rome. One unit of heavy cavalry would ruin your day if you deployed your infantry less than 3 or 4 ranks deep. It'd be a total rout.

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But since I am the one fielding the said cavalry unit, you have just put a finger on what I'm trying to say. Which is not really that cavalry is overpowered, but that it takes only one good unit for the entire enemy army to curl up and die.

i agree, one cavalry unit can ruin an army ~;) ~;)
i used one unit of desert cavalry to win a siege and it eliminated probably 10 units of infantry and 2 units of cavalry on it's own

Well I'm not a cavalry commander. I bring limited cavalry. Two units, max. I'm an infantry commander at heart. My armies are usually 50% spear, 20% sword, 20% archers and 10% horse. Or something like that. I'm a very defensive tactician. I believe in an overwhelmingly aggressive strategy coupled with incredibly defensive tactics. So I wait for a nation to show me any aggression, then hit them with everything I have until they drop. I focus on one enemy and never let up. In the actual battles I take a very cautious, traditional approach, and it works for me.

I hate losing any men, so I play carefully. I treat it as though I were a real field commander with real men's lives depending on my orders.

So for me Rome is brilliant. The enemy actually gives me a little challenge where in Medieval a full square with the spears told to hold position was damn near unbeatable. The AI could never find a way to beat it.

A full square is just impossible in Rome because you can't stretch your spears that thin and expect them to hold.

I never camped in a corner in MTW. Still lost few battles. And I often fought many battles with the same army without reinforcements. I lost more men sometimes because running down routers still could cost you a lot men. In RTW running down routers with cav is practically gratis.

I ran an interesting test today. I wanted to test whether phalanx is stronger if the gaps are closed. Three units of pikemen against three swordsmen (gaul). The AI charged its swordsmen actually from three different directions. I never saw that in MTW. Though another thing I once again saw in similar tests is that the AI is hopelessly lost when using pikemen. I think that all tests with the AI using pikemen (or phalanx in general) are meaningless.

i'm really lenient on RTW.
i don't start a war with anyone but wait for them to attack me lol
i have defensive campaign strategy but offensive battle strategy!
i have a cavalry dominated army... always!

RTW is the biggest disappointment in gaming history as far as im concerned, RTW had everything going for it, it could have been a true step forward from MTW but I played MTW yesterday I havent played RTW in weeks.

I cant understand how they could make such a total mess of RTW, the screenshots we all drooled over months before the game came out looked unbelievable, to good to be true and it proved to be to good to be true indeed.

I dont get any feeling of satisfaction when I play RTW when I kill 1000 gauls I shrug and move on, what does it matter when the battle took zero effort? MTW could be a constant struggle for survival battle's meant something, defeat could mean catastrophe in RTW it just doesnt seem to matter. MTW has infinite possibilities even today thing's are happening that ive never seen before one game the French go crazy and conquer everything the next game the French are dead with 15 years. RTW takes so long to do anything! that it just doesnt matter.

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MTW is the only game I have ever played that I can place in the same league as Final Fantasy VII because ive never played a game over such a long period so many times, a game that can excite you 16 months after you first bought it is truly a masterpiece, RTW bored me to death in less than 16 days. Such is the gap between both games.

RTW is frankly a disgrace, how people can release a game so glitch and bug riddled and still call themselves competant is beyond belief :furious3:

~:confused: Just bafflesm e to think they could mess it up this bad.

i believe rtw is not a digrace, but a stepping stone for the tw series.
i do enjoy mtw a bit more than rtw only becouse your always on your toes and the armies are smaller where a battle means more.
where as with rtw if you lose 2000 men in series of battles your still fine you just need to take a general out on the field and recruite merc.s
i think this next tw game will be sweet. i think it'll have all the in battle objects that a player would want(siege weapons, powerful cav., maybe guns, fantastic castles....)

but for now i'll play rtw and mtw on and off till it comes out.
stw is a true disgrace. the only thing i liked about stw are the movies when you use an assasign.

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I think it's come down to a simple equation: If you're a cavalry commander RTW is much easier than MTW. If you're an infantry commander it's much more demanding.

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Originally Posted by Musashi

I think it's come down to a simple equation: If you're a cavalry commander RTW is much easier than MTW. If you're an infantry commander it's much more demanding.

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Not really. I've also found infantry easier to use than in MTW. When the AI can't use one of the major components, phalanx, in any acceptable form it is really hard for me to see much redeeming in the RTW AI. And then you have missile units...which again the AI can't seem to use decently.

Well all I know is that the RTW AI gives me a FAR better run for my money than the MTW AI ever did. But I think it's because they made cavalry so much more powerful (Or they weakened spears significantly, one or the other).