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Re: Palestinian TV carries 'blatant anti-Semitic and Holocaust-denying' broadcast
maybe you need the accent to go with it
my dodgy attempt at an accent helped!
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As far as America's concerned, it's not a left/right issue.
Yes , but it is a very important news/current affairs issue that should be covered .
And it took me breaking out my cheesy fake brogue, but I get it!
There is a TV ad over here at the moment that recieved lots of complaints as well for the same reason , but it is allowed to continue as it "celebrates" the seeing of more Gaelic usage on TV programming . Though a rather crap singer has had his songs banned from the radio stations in the States for his use of the same words , as they cannot see what feiceall means though it does sound rather feicealach when you hear it ~;)
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I cant believe there are 62 posts in this thread!
This kind of blatant anti-jewish sympathy and Nazi glorification is to be expected from the palastinians.. they are simply a barbaric people.
Now it can be argued as to how they have become so animalistic, but i dont think any civilized, normal person could send their child to blow himself up whilst blowing up other people or support it done by others.
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Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Now it can be argued as to how they have become so animalistic, but i dont think any civilized, normal person could send their child to blow himself up whilst blowing up other people or support it done by others.
~D
The irony.
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they are simply a barbaric people.
And comments like that mean you operate on exactly the same level as the fool whose "sermon" started this topic . :embarassed:
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And comments like that mean you operate on exactly the same level as the fool whose "sermon" started this topic .
Yes you have a poinyt there. He should have said that the Palestinians act or appear as uncivilized. You can deny that they are all you like but its a fact. No other nation I know of in history has sent its children to blow up other children. Their methods are indeed barbaric and uncivilized. Its also true that some of the Israeli responses can be seen in the same manner.
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And comments like that mean you operate on exactly the same level as the fool whose "sermon" started this topic .
I call it like i see it..
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Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Now it can be argued as to how they have become so animalistic, but i dont think any civilized, normal person could send their child to blow himself up whilst blowing up other people or support it done by others.
There will always be parents sending their children in to war for glory and medals. The type of army differs, but the objectives are always the same. I would never recommend my children to participate in any violent action, with or without uniform.......
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There will always be parents sending their children in to war for glory and medals. The type of army differs, but the objectives are always the same. I would never recommend my children to participate in any violent action, with or without uniform.......
Name another today.
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I call it like i see it..
That sheikh is probably as mislead and ill informed as you.
You are both just insecure and need to be loved. ~:grouphug:
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That sheikh is probably as mislead and ill informed as you.
Hehe, you can try to divert the subject by criticizing me all you want but that doesnt excuse the barbaric actions of these people.
Strapping bombs to your child, having her make a propaganda tape to enlist other peoples children, and then sending her to blow up other children is beyond the scope of human cruelty.. or at least it was. :no:
The left and their apologists can excuse this behavior until the sun doesnt shine by bringing up past Israeli wrongs, but an objective view of the situation as it is today clearly shows which side is seeking peace and which is seeking jewish genocide. The facts are there, some just choose not to see them. :shrug:
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The left and their apologists can excuse this behavior until the sun doesnt shine by bringing up past Israeli wrongs, but an objective view of the situation as it is today clearly shows which side is seeking peace and which is seeking jewish genocide. The facts are there, some just choose not to see them.
Let see now, the peace seekers: Most of the Israeli and Palestinian population.
The war-mongerers: The radical, fanatical groups on both sides, that both have considerble power. Both sides are running on more or less on genocide in the end.
I don't see it ~:confused: ~:confused:
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Palaistinian people has the courage to stand unarmed against tanks, armed to the teeth soldiers and throw stones with slings just for the sake of pride, and ready to face concequences. what you expect to praise Israelis?
Unfortunately some Palestinians also attack unarmed civilians.
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Well after all that has happened I don't blaim them for calling Israel a cancer, after all it is spreading and killing them, sounds like an apropiate metaphore to me. What do you guys expect to hear on palestinian tv? Schindler's List? I doubt they would want to see it after they just got kicked out of their houses so that a jew from idunnowhere can claim his ancestral land.
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Well after all that has happened I don't blaim them for calling Israel a cancer, after all it is spreading and killing them, sounds like an apropiate metaphore to me.
Couldnt the Israelis say the same of the Palestinians and more so?
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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Couldnt the Israelis say the same of the Palestinians and more so?
Why, are the palestinians taking Israeli's land?
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Why, are the palestinians taking Israeli's land?
Well they tried but failed. Thats not what you said though.
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Well after all that has happened I don't blaim them for calling Israel a cancer, after all it is spreading and killing them, sounds like an apropiate metaphore to me.
Isnt Palestinian terrorism spreading and killing Israelis? Sounds like an apropiate metaphore to me.
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Well they tried but failed. Thats not what you said though.
Well it was clear that it was going to be a jewish state, which meant that 50% of the population had to go, and Ben Gurion and his buddies didn't make a secret of their intentions of expanding, I wonder why the arabs didn't like that.
Isnt Palestinian terrorism spreading and killing Israelis? Sounds like an apropiate metaphore to me.
If they chose to live on stolen ground they are hardly innocent, if so much human misery is not a moral issue for them, good riddance.
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Well it was clear that it was going to be a jewish state, which meant that 50% of the population had to go
The fact is the Israelis begged them to stay.
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Ben Gurion and his buddies didn't make a secret of their intentions of expanding, I wonder why the arabs didn't like that.
Is that so? How is it they didnt ever start the wars. The arabs always did. If that justifies their action then Israel is certainly justified in occupying all of Palestine as the terrorist groups there not only have stated their intentions of destroying Israel but have put these words into action.
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If they chose to live on stolen ground they are hardly innocent, if so much human misery is not a moral issue for them, good riddance.
Stolen from who? Why is it that if the Jews get the land because it was bought from the landowners its theft but when the Israelis were driven from this land that they owned and ruled by the Romans the response is thats the way the cookie crumbles?
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The fact is the Israelis begged them to stay.
If that is the case they sure don't handle rejection very well.
Is that so? How is it they didnt ever start the wars. The arabs always did.
Israel was never attacked, Nasser never crossed the Israel border, when Israel decided to attack him he was allready willing to negotiate a retreat.
Stolen from who? Why is it that if the Jews get the land because it was bought from the landowners its theft but when the Israelis were driven from this land that they owned and ruled by the Romans the response is thats the way the cookie crumbles?
Only small parts came from landowners, most came from the bulldozer.
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If that is the case they sure don't handle rejection very well.
I guess not.
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Israel was never attacked, Nasser never crossed the Israel border, when Israel decided to attack him he was allready willing to negotiate a retreat.
Ive heard of revisionist history but this takes the cake.
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Only small parts came from landowners, most came from the bulldozer.
There was another thread on this matter and it was shown that this statement like most of your others is false.
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Ive heard of revisionist history but this takes the cake.
Allow me to quote Menachim Begin 'In june 1967, we again had a choice. The egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselve. We decided to attack him'.
It was Nasser intention to enforce negotiations, not to attack Israel.
There was another thread on this matter and it was shown that this statement like most of your others is false.
It is? Didn't they 'find out' recently that militant zionists got a cart blanche from the Israel government? It was basicly grab what you can and we follow later. It was something along the lines of 'every hill you take is yours', but a bit more poetic.
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It was Nasser intention to enforce negotiations, not to attack Israel.
That's just wrong. If you believe that, you probably believe that Hitler didn't want to invade France until France declared war.
The Arab nations had spent millions and run-down their own economies with an aim towards destroying Israel. The Israeli pre-emptive strike was the only way Israel could win the war and ensure its own survival.
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It was Nasser intention to enforce negotiations, not to attack Israel.
Maybe tanks weren´t the right way to say "Hey, we just want to talk." ~;)
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That's just wrong. If you believe that, you probably believe that Hitler didn't want to invade France until France declared war.
The Arab nations had spent millions and run-down their own economies with an aim towards destroying Israel. The Israeli pre-emptive strike was the only way Israel could win the war and ensure its own survival.
Then what was he doing just sitting there at the border, chilling with his AK? Or could it be that there was some talk going on? If Begin says it himselve I am willing to believe it if you don't mind.
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Originally Posted by PanzerJager
This kind of blatant anti-jewish sympathy and Nazi glorification is to be expected from the palastinians.. they are simply a barbaric people.
Damn straight they are!
And Jews are greedy bank owners. And Americans are fat, violent rednecks. And Japanese are slitty eyed rice eaters. And blacks are thieves and drug dealers. And Mexicans are dirty and lazy.
Hey this is fun! :balloon2: I never knew racism could be so enjoyable. ~:cheers:
Who's next... Germans are all Nazi scum. Frenchmen are unwashed cowards. Italians are all mafia killers.
Wow, this is addictive. Hmmm, who can I hate next? Any suggestions?
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In (a rather long) answer to Don I've come up with a bit on the delightful settlers. The last link is the longest but very good.
This http://www.jewishgates.com/file.asp?File_ID=155 is a jewish site and therefore not a bad place to start, in that presumably it will not overstate the case. No ugly rhetoric here but its clear that what Gush Emunin stands for is not peaceful co-existence (or even democracy)
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Rabbi Meir Kahane, soon directed his attention to Israel. Taking a rigid Orthodox position, he condemned the Israeli government for "corrupting Jewish values." He maintained that it was impossible for a state to be both democratic and Jewish. Either Israel was a Jewish state or it was a "Hellenized" democracy.
According to Kahane, God had given all of the Land of Israel to the Jews, the Chosen People, as a divine inheritance. Any objection by the outside world or by Arabs had to be ignored. Any Arab who demonstrated against the Jewish authority should, by Jewish Law, be expelled from the Land of Israel. Quoting the TaNaCH, Kahane emphasized that God requires vengeance against the enemies of Israel and decried the "soft, humanist, Westernized" values shown by Israel's government.
This http://www.geocities.com/alabasters_...h_iceberg.html is an old article but it seems informativve and again avoids name calling. The author was Senior Lecturer in the Department of Political Science, the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. It gets a bit academic towards the end, (when he starts going on about iceberg models of political activsim you can stop reading...). But we read:
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As noted above, Gush Emunim was established in order to "prevent a new partition of Eretz Israel." The question is therefore, what is the Gush stance on the Arabs and the Palestinian question? Strangely enough, it is hard to find explicit reference to these questions in the publications of the movement. It is only through personal interviews with its leaders that the Gush position on this matter is clarified. It declares essentially that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews by divine command. As an article of faith and an absolute postulate, this has definite and binding implications. The most important of these is that the universal principle of self-determination — even if it may have some relevance in other places — does not hold in the case of Eretz Israel. The "Palestinian Problem" or the demand by the Palestinians for national self-determination is therefore meaningless.
For Gush Emunim the Palestinian question is thus not a problem of a nation but of individuals, and more precisely one of gerim (non-Jewish residents of Eretz Israel who according to the Torah are to be treated by the people of Israel with tolerance and respect but no more).
This http://www.ssc.upenn.edu/polisci/fac...lustick14.html is long but interesting. We can read:
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The implication of chosenness is that the transcendental imperatives to which Jews must respond effectively nullify the moral laws that bind the behavior of normal nations. In "Messianic Realism," and other articles, Aviner considers the relationship between history, politics, and redemption. He argues that divine commandments to the Jewish people "transcend human notions of national rights." He explains that while God requires other, normal nations to abide by abstract codes of "justice and righteousness," such laws do not apply to Jews.
Ours is not an autonomous scale of values, the product of human reason, but rather an heteronomous or, more correctly, theonomous scale rooted in the will of the Divine architect of the universe and its moral order. 7 From the point of view of mankind's humanistic morality we were in the wrong in (taking the land) from the Canaanites. There is only one catch. The command of God ordered us to be the people of the Land of Israel.
Thus does Jewish fundamentalism utterly reject the traditional Zionist image of Jews as a normal people, bound by and rewarded according to the same laws and principles of national self-determination applicable to other nations.
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The Meaning of Arab Opposition to Israel. As befits an abnormal nation, the conflicts Israel encounters with its neighbors are not normal either. In their analysis of the Arab conflict with Israel, if not always in their propaganda, most Israeli leaders have sought to explain Arab hostility in practical terms-as a conflict that stems from misperceptions or specific circumstances. Accordingly, as those perceptions and circumstances change, opportunities for ending the conflict can materialize and should be awaited, identified, and exploited.
Gush Emunim views the conflict with the Arabs in a radically different way-as the latest and most crucial episode in Israel's eternal battle to overcome the forces of evil. This stance is illustrated in the words with which Eleazar Waldman-head of the Kiryat Arba Yeshiva, Member of Knesset for the Tehiya party, and prominent student of Rav Tzvi Yehuda-reassured fundamentalist Jews troubled by the outcome of the Lebanon War. By fighting the Arabs, Waldman reminded his audience, Israel carries out its mission to serve "as the heart of the world, in contact with every organ, and with the world understanding that it must receive the blood of life from the heart."
I especially liked the end of this quote, since its a view that has been put forward on these boards:
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Jewish fundamentalists' assumptions about the world, however, make it essentially impossible for them to see Jews and Palestinians in comparable terms. Nor can fundamentalists acknowledge any real tie between the Palestinians, or any human group other than the Jewish people, and the Land of Israel. To do so would contradict the prophecy that the Promised Land would "vomit out" any other people that tries to live there, and that only with the return of the Jews would the land again "shoot forth branches, and yield fruit," 11 as a sign of the beginning of the messianic age. Hence, historically unsupportable notions that only under Jewish cultivation did Palestine become a productive country and that most Palestinian Arabs arrived in the area only within the past century are treated as incontrovertible
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The Jews are authorized by the living God and creator of the universe as a legitimate, eternal people with unalienable rights to the entire Land of Israel. The Palestinians have absolutely no legitimate claim to nationhood or to any part of the country. They have experienced no real suffering, and have drawn together as an entity only out of opposition to the Jews. Theirs is a "suicidal" struggle for the elimination of the state and people of Israel. As such, Israel must recognize the Palestinians as the most destructive and dangerous emanation of Arab hostility, and stand ready to destroy them as they seek to fulfill their collective "deathwish."
Actually, I really do recommend that last link as very illuminating on the mindset of the settler movement. Its a long read but very good. Its much more constructive than finding some nutter rabbi saying that its OK to shoot arabs because it actually enables some understanding of what these people are about.
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This kind of blatant anti-jewish sympathy and Nazi glorification is to be expected from the palastinians.. they are simply a barbaric people.
No group of people are or were barbaric. Some groups had more people worse than others, but no group of people ever was entirely "barbaric" whatever that means.
And it's sad that in order to fight steryotypes and racism, people resort to stereotypes and racism... :dizzy2:
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Wow, this is addictive. Hmmm, who can I hate next? Any suggestions?
Poles are stupid. Russians are a bunch of evil, communist drunks. Muslims are terrorists. Christians are all crazy bible preaching nutjobs.
Any more?
:help:
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Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
Any more?
:help:
Hippies! TEH stoners!
wait, they are
~;)
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~D
Well... alright, can't argue with you on that one. :bow: